Meeting Notes

30-November-2010

Mozilla Project Meeting Minutes: 2010-11-29

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WeeklyUpdates/2010-11-29

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Video for today’s meeting

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Friends of the Tree

  • Henrik Skupin would like to nominate the following people, who made our Mozmill test day last Friday a success by running our general and the brand-new landed l10n tests: adriank, kbrosnan, tanner, jan, merike, linostar, and especially aleksej for his all-day attendance.

Upcoming Events

This Week

Monday, 29 November

Tuesday, 30 November

Wednesday, 1 December

  • 12pm (pacific) Brown Bag presentation by Guillermo Rauch on Socket.IO – The web’s most popular x-browser Web Socket library.

Thursday, 2 December

Friday, 3 December

Next Week

Wednesday, 8 December – Add-On Con Training Day and Party

Thursday, 9 December – Add-On Con 

Product Status Updates

Firefox 4

  • As mentioned last week, the plan is to ship a Firefox 4 Beta for Desktop as close as possible to the Firefox 4 Beta 3 for Mobile devices, in order to align on some sync changes

    • The outstanding blocker list for beta 8 stands at 29, with JS and Sync being the largest single components.

    • Once complete, beta 8 will include stability fixes from graphics, some smaller js optimizations, and UI fixes notably around the styling in the addons manager.

Firefox 3.6 and 3.5

  • Released 3.6.13 and 3.5.16 to the beta channel last week

  • We will be creating a build #2 for a 3.6.11/.12 regression we were only recently notified of (bug 614565)
  • Schedule is still holding (planning to ship December 9th)

Mobile Firefox

  • Last few b3 issues are being knocked out

  • Beta 4 code freeze is January 6 focused on the last big pieces that need a beta (GL, async places work, PICs)

Thunderbird

  • Miramar Alpha 1 released (based on Gecko 2.0 trunk)

  • 3.0.11 and 3.1.7 builds underway

Drumbeat

  • Alpha version of http://learningfreedomandtheweb.org web site now up online.

    • Spin off site for content and projects coming out of Barcelona.
  • Early protoype of Batucada software and new Drumbeat.org mockups coming later this week.
    • Details on Paul Osman’s blog and on this wiki time next week.

Speakers

The limit is 3 minutes per speaker. It’s like a lightning talk, but don’t feel that you have to have slides in order to make a presentation.

Title

Presenter

Topic

Media

More Details
State of Mozilla

Mitchell Baker

Reactions, Responses, Survey

http://www.mozilla.org/foundation/annualreport/2009/

Status Updates By Team

Firefox

Platform

Messaging

Mobile

IT

Release Engineering

QA

Highlights
  • Browser Technologies

  • Desktop Firefox
    • Fx4b8: Nightlies testing while we code freeze
  • QA Services
  • QA Test Automation
    • Very successful test day for Mozmill last Friday

    • Mozmill l10n tests for access keys and cropped elements have been landed. For now we support the preferences dialog.
  • Web QA
    • Shipped Input 2.0.1

Automation & Tools

  • Working on resolving mozmill difficulties from last week on m-c

  • Bug hunter improvements made to make our crash signatures more socorro-ish
  • Need a downtime on brasstacks this week for Orange factor (war on orange) and Bug stats websites.
  • Notes here

Security

Engagement

PR

Events

Creative Team

Community Marketing

Support

Metrics

Evangelism

Labs

Developer Tools

Add-ons

Webdev

L10n

Introducing New Hires

  • Corey Shields – IT/Ops Manager

Foundation Updates

Roundtable

25-November-2010

Mobile Meeting Minutes: 2010-11-24

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Mobile/Notes/24-Nov-2010

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Details

  • Wednesdays – 9:30am Pacific, 12:30pm Eastern, 16:30 UTC

  • 650-903-0800 or 650-215-1282 x92 Conf# 8605 (US/INTL)
  • 1-800-707-2533 (pin 369) Conf# 8605 (US)
  • irc.mozilla.org #mobile for backchannel

Schedule

  • Beta 3

    • Code freeze: Nov 23 (slushy)
  • Beta 4 (need dates)

Major Topics for This Week

  • Wrapping Beta 3

    • Remaining b3 blockers

    • Sync/JPAKE
    • Content Crash Reporting
    • L10N / Packaging
    • IME regressions

Front-end

  • Beta 3 stuff

    • Sync/JPAKE

    • Content Crash UI
    • IME Regressions
  • Moving ahead to b4 blockers and final blockers
    • Final blocker list will be triaged next week. Anything pushed will be moved to the next release (post 4.0)

UX design

Maemo

Qt

Android

  • Keyboard fixes landed (bug 599811, bug 581596); some regressions being worked on.

  • still waiting for packaging and multilocale repack stuff

Electrolysis

General Platform

Video

Camera

Plugins

Performance

Networking

Graphics

Startup

Layout

Content

Release Engineering

QA

  • New Bugs over the week: filed. Still at 16 blockers

  • Cross-browser Performance tests are done. Check out the results
  • Working on defining a Device Compatibility testplan for beta 3+. Work in progress.
  • Results from nightly Smoketest runs
  • Input: Manufacturer and Device are being sent to staging database and registering those fields correctly. Next step is to make it available on the dashboard.

Automation

  • first regression was found and fixed on maemo mochitests!

  • I have a local fix for xpcshell on n900, will roll out next week in staging when releng starts coming back online
  • talos patches have landed for android fixes, installs are working but some devices are failing (investigating ways to reduce hung boards)

Other

Firefox/Gecko Delivery Meeting Minutes: 2010-11-24

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Firefox/Planning/2010-11-24

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Firefox/Gecko Delivery Meeting Details

  • Wednesdays – 11:00am Pacific, 2:00pm Eastern, 18:00 UTC

  • Mountain View Offices: Warp Core Conference Room
  • Toronto Offices: Fin du Monde Conference Room
  • 650-903-0800 or 650-215-1282 x92 Conf# 8605 (US/INTL)
  • 1-800-707-2533 (pin 369) Conf# 8605 (US)
  • irc.mozilla.org #planning for backchannel
  • (the developer meeting takes place on Tuesdays)
REMEMBER

These notes are read by people who weren’t able to attend the meeting. Please make sure to include links and context so they can be understood.

Agenda

  • actions from last week:

  • schedule and progress on upcoming releases
  • review highlights and notices
  • respond to questions and concerns

Action Items

Schedule & Progress on Upcoming Releases

Firefox 4

Firefox 3.6.13 and 3.5.16

  • Released to the beta audience yesterday

    • 3.6.13 is throttled @ 25%

    • 3.5.16 is not throttled as AUS can’t support what we want and there are very little testers on the beta channel anyway
  • Still on schedule
  • The new billboard to encourage people to move off of 3.0 (and/or other unsupported releases) is getting finished up and will hopefully go live a week after 3.6.13

Add-on Builder 1.0a6

Input 2.1

  • Release Date: 12/9

  • Features: Ideas, Siphon by Device Types (for mobile), Better search on past releases

Fun-ness with the 2.0 release (for searches over the entire beta): sync, panorama, fast and slow

Jetpack SDK 0.10

  • major deliverables all landed or pushed off as not beta blockers (except for one for which we’re still trying to determine status)

  • product-wide reviews over the last week identified a set of remaining issues, mostly around exposure of experimental, internal, or obsolete APIs and functionality
  • remaining issues are being resolved at very high rate
  • RC1 any day now
  • track progress on blockers via bug 611250

Highlights / Notices

  • starting full outreach now for Firefox 4 product l10n, long tail isn’t actually all that long no more. 61 out of 86 locales are sign-ed off for beta, some 8 more are reasonably close. (Axel)

  • User feedback

Issue

SUMO

Input

Buglink
Flash has artifacts that overlay chrome (Flash-related)

6

119

bug 590568
Status Bar Removal

300+ (includes many other threads)

888

bug 574688
Sync Icon Missing

8

not a bug
Tuenti.com–Pages Don’t load (Compartments?)

248

bug 601803
[Cannot Reproduce] Vkontakte Page constantly reloads and HTML5 Video isn’t running

83
Flash-related crashes

1354
Users who want to disable Panorama

30

Refresh/reload button moved

3

474+306
  • Tuenti.com is a big deal since it’s the facebook of the spanish-speaking community, so to speak. People in these areas are leaving the beta.

Questions and Concerns

Press & Public Reactions

24-November-2010

Thunderbird Meeting Minutes: 2010-11-23

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Thunderbird/StatusMeetings/2010-11-23

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Current Release Schedules
Thunderbird 3.3 Alpha 1 Thunderbird 3.1.7 & 3.0.11
  • Build Starts: 16th Nov

  • Final Release: 23rd Nov
  • Code freeze: 23rd Nov 23:59

  • L10n freeze: 23rd Nov 23:59
  • Builds start: 24th Nov
  • QA with builds start: 29th Nov
  • Beta period starts: 30th Nov
  • Final release: 9th Dec

Thunderbird Meeting Details :

Remember to press *1 to unmute yourself before talking!

Feel free to ask questions in the meeting either by speaking up or by asking them in #maildev on IRC.

Agenda

  • Who’s taking minutes? –> bienvenu

  • Minute taking Schedule. Talk to davida or dmose for schedule changes/additions.
  • Note: this meeting is for interactive discussion. Feel free to ask questions!

Action Items

Friends of the Tree

Thanks to our Friends of the Tree When adding someone to this section, please get their T-Shirt size and send it to rebron@mozillamessaging.com so that he can send them a shirt!

  • Mark Brennan of Stanford CT for his work on the FLOSS Manual for Thunderbird

Conversion Funnel (Priority 0 side project)

Thunderbird Development

Feature Work

Account Provisioner:

  • Sancus is working on integrating with another provider.

  • Andreas is working on a new end page.
  • Other than that, nothing new.

Pluggable Mail Stores (bug 402392):

  • Merged with trunk, fixed some test failures in Berkeley store, 3 left to fix

    • Test to fix not to hard up to now, but busy with other point

    • should be dogfoodable by 3.3

Experiments

  • Up next: Thunderbird Conversations (formerly Gmail Conversation View). Currently ironing things out with clarkbw and andychung before cutting a 2.0 release. [protz]

  • Updates for Mailing List Manager, Contacts on deck.
  • Sync Add-on further out.

Trunk (Miramar) Development

Miramar Alpha 1
Post Alpha 1
  • Aiming for frequent alphas, specifically to pick up fixes / features.

  • Help on fixing blockers would be very useful and appreciated, see this list of higher priority bugs.
  • blocking criteria :
    • Alpha 1 -> Serious usability issues.

    • After -> not real criteria, regression/usability issues as usual.

3.2

  • Decision on if/when we’ll do 3.2 on hold until we progress account provisioning further.

Thunderbird Stability & Security Releases

  • mozilla-1.9.2/1.9.1 builds started.

  • We’ll start builds later this week.
  • Bug Lists: 3.1, 3.0
Major updates to 3.1

QA Updates

  • Thank you to all the people who participated in the Test of 3.3a1 :

Marketing Updates

Infrastructure Update

  • Release branches now get tests run after build finishes.

  • Try server now running make check.

Build / Release Update

Web Update

  • As Blake reports, working on integrating last provider still. Should hopefully be done by the end of the week, but some of that depends on them.

Documentation

  • Bug day for new support platform “Kitsune”

    • better editing interface – should be a much better platform for contributors

    • less admin cruft
    • better workflow support
    • generally looking pretty good
  • Practicum student Mike is back

Support

(If you support Thunderbird or write documentation to help support Thunderbird, please subscribe to the tb-support-crew mailing list and briefly introduce yourself to the list)

  1. 449 new support topics identical to last week (449 last week; this week is again a bit down from normal, American pre-Thanksgiving?)

  2. 3.1 Support Issues
  3. See this week’s Support Appendix for full Get Satisfaction metrics and other support details

Lightning Updates

Status Updates

See the Mozilla Status Board for status updates specific to developers.

Roundtable Highlights

Attendees

bienvenu dmose standard8 roland jenzed jhopkins

Mozilla Platform Meeting Minutes: 2010-11-23

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Platform/2010-11-23

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Notices / Schedule

Firefox 4 Beta 8

  • criteria for release at this point is “no stability regressions from previous beta”

  • there is a pending change to the way Sync UI works for adding another client (bug 602682) which needs to be simultaneously shipped with Fennec 2 Beta 3, also requires changes to the crypto libraries
  • based on the Fennec Beta 3 schedule, which is targeting Dec 7th as ship, we feel it’s best to align Beta 8 with that date
  • there is a pending change to the way Sync UI works for adding another client

Firefox 3.6.13 and 3.5.16

  • QA is finishing up testing the build

  • Plan to go to beta on 2010-11-24 (likely throttled)

Firefox 3.6.14 and 3.5.17

  • Draft schedule will be sent out for review next week

Blocker Report

  • charts show steady state, no increase/decrease in overall blocker count
Blocker report for Firefox 4.0.beta8 (as of 2010-11-23 10:56:13.240700-08:00)

Overview
----------------------------------------------

4.0.beta8
      blocking: 173
         fixed: 151
          open:  22


Open Blocker Assignees
----------------------------------------------

   Philipp von Weitershausen [:philikon]:   3 +++
                  Blake Kaplan (:mrbkap):   2 ++
                         general@js.bugs:   2 ++
                        Andreas Gal :gal:   2 ++
          Josh Aas (Mozilla Corporation):   1 +
                          Richard Newman:   1 +
                 Justin Dolske [:Dolske]:   1 +
                             Raymond Lee:   1 +
                      Kyle Huey [:khuey]:   1 +
                      Axel Hecht [:Pike]:   1 +
                           Markus Stange:   1 +
                             Neil Deakin:   1 +
                        Myk Melez [:myk]:   1 +
                   Jason Duell (:jduell):   1 +
        Christopher Blizzard (:blizzard):   1 +
                 Wesley Johnston (:wesj):   1 +
    Nobody; OK to take it and work on it:   1 +

Firefox Development

(from our goals):

Firefox

  • [CARRY OVER] API-Complete Jetpack

    • Joint with Jetpack team
  • [NEW] Stand up basic Firefox with Electrolysis

    • Joint with Platform

    • UI may not be functional, should launch and open a web page.

Developer Tools

  • [NEW] Ensure that Firefox 4 ships with a compatible version of Firebug
  • [NEW] Publish a roadmap for integrated developer tools in Firefox, including console, inspection, and js debugging
  • [NEW] Develop long term plan for Skywriter maintenance/support

Platform

  • Goals: Real list found here. Quick overview:

    • [ON TRACK] Finish Firefox 4 blockers.

    • [ON TRACK] Support Firefox Team to stand up a browser on Electrolysis.

GFX

  • 121 blockers

    • 0 beta8, 1 beta9, 49 betaN, 71 final
  • We hope that most of the since-b7 topcrashes have been fixed, and we’ll continue to evaluate that. Several crasher fixes have landed over the past couple of days.

Layout

  • Nothing major to report

  • No beta8 blockers
  • Still worried by trackpad/trackpoint problems on Windows laptops. If you can reproduce a problem on a laptop you own, please say so on the bugs below or file a new one

JS

Tree Management

Roundtable

  • What is our risk-tolerance for risky changes that come with big perf gains? I’m opposed to taking bug 414946 (jemalloc on mac) because of the risk, but I’m getting a lot of pushback (bsmedberg).

    • specific rule is that we’ll evaluate each case by case, but at this stage we need to know how we’ll evaluate early signs of risk vs. reward

    • stuart suggests we check it in after beta 8 freeze and watch nightlies for signs like crashes
    • beltzner/bsmedberg/pbiggar to guide a plan that helps us understand landing timeline, criteria for keeping, and what we’ll look for in terms of signs to validate assumptions about risk
  • Thinking about Firefox 4.x and Firefox 5. Timing & criteria.

    • Blizzard suggests quarterly 4.x releases, wonders if we can do that without busting addon compatibility ever quarter

23-November-2010

Mozilla Project Meeting Minutes: 2010-11-22

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WeeklyUpdates/2010-11-22

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Video for today’s meeting

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Friends of the Tree

Professors Jason Schultz (Berkeley), Eric Goldman (Santa Clara), and Anthony Falzone (Stanford) for their comments on Mozilla’s submission to the Internet Policy Task Force on Protecting Copyrighted Works on the Web.

Melissa Shapiro for being the force behind the creation of the State of Mozilla microsite, and Shannon Prior and Melissa for implementing it [1]

The Appetizer team for the kick-ass job of describing their project on https://apps.mozillalabs.com/ and the supporting wiki & demo sites. They have also been very proactive in reaching out for feedback on app store security questions and ideas, which makes us very happy indeed!

Upcoming Events

This Week

Monday, 22 November

Tuesday, 23 November

Wednesday, 24 November
Join us at 10 a.m. PDT/18:00 UTC for our bi-weekly marketing call hosted from Mountain View. Agenda items [2]. Call hosted on the marketing channel on Air Mozilla.

Thursday, 25 November
U.S. Holiday: Thanksgiving

Friday, 26 November
U.S. Holiday: Black Friday

Next Week

Product Status Updates

Firefox 4

  • Engineering groups looking to lock down Beta 8 this week

    • includes incremental JS improvements, UI bugfixes

    • key blockers right now are plugin and application stability
  • Have agreed to simul-ship a version of Firefox 4 Beta for Desktop with Firefox 4 Beta 3 for Mobile Devices
    • both will feature new, easier way to authenticate to Firefox Sync

    • to be compatible, will need to ship alongside Firefox Home, as well
    • target is first week of December
  • if we complete Beta 8 this week, we’ll ship it late next week (eta: Thursday) and then simul-ship a single-change Beta 9 alongside the mobile version’s next beta
  • if we can’t complete Beta 8 this week, we’ll move its schedule out to match the mobile version’s next beta

Firefox 3.6 and 3.5

  • Froze the code last week

  • Firefox 3.6.13 and 3.5.16 build #1 is available for QA (thanks RelEng!)

Mobile Firefox

  • Code freeze for beta 3 is tomorrow night. Please get patches reviewed and checked in.

Thunderbird

  • Miramar (3.3) alpha 1 planned to release this week from trunk

Drumbeat

  • Lightning talk on “Learning, Freedom and the Web” later in today’s call

  • Good progress on storytelling & specs for post-Drumbeat Festival projects (online hub coming soon)
  • Working on UI for new “Batucada” version of Drumbeat.org
    • Will put on staging when complete (mid-December)

Speakers

The limit is 3 minutes per speaker. It’s like a lightning talk, but don’t feel that you have to have slides in order to make a presentation.

Title

Presenter

Topic

Media

More Details
Drumbeat Festival Recap

Mark Surman

What happened in Barcelona? Why is it important?

HTML slides – click to follow along

Alternate slides #1Alternate #2Blog, press and photo highlights
Keeping the Web Open for UGC

Julie Martin

Mozilla’s Comment to the Internet Policy Task Force

Status Updates By Team

Firefox

Platform

Messaging

Mobile

IT

Release Engineering

QA

QA Org Highlights
  • WebQA

    • Check out the new QA dashboard QA-dashboard.

    • We pushed AMO 5.12.3 live.
  • Browser Technologies
  • Desktop Firefox
    • Fx 4 Beta 8: Code freeze next week, plan is to ship Beta 8 the following week after Thanksgiving break.
  • QA Services
    • Marco spent a very productive week in Toronto. Details here

    • The new litmus 2 project kicked into high gear with the addition of Carl Meyer as the GUI developer. Welcome Carl!
    • successfull personas testday last friday. Details here
    • On Friday, Nov 26th, we will have a Mozmill testday (blog post in preparation)
  • QA Test Automation
    • We have moved all of our Mozmill tests related components to the new “Mozilla QA” product on Bugzilla (blog post)

Automation & Tools

Security

Engagement

PR

Events

Creative Team

Community Marketing

Support

Metrics

Evangelism

Labs

Developer Tools

Add-ons

Webdev

L10n

Introducing New Hires

Foundation Updates

Roundtable

18-November-2010

Mobile Meeting Minutes: 2010-11-17

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Mobile/Notes/17-Nov-2010

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Details

  • Wednesdays – 9:30am Pacific, 12:30pm Eastern, 16:30 UTC

  • 650-903-0800 or 650-215-1282 x92 Conf# 8605 (US/INTL)
  • 1-800-707-2533 (pin 369) Conf# 8605 (US)
  • irc.mozilla.org #mobile for backchannel

Schedule

  • Beta 3

    • String freeze: Nov 12

    • Code freeze: Nov 23

Major Topics for This Week

Front-end

  • Working on b3 blockers and final blockers

    • Front-end has few critical bugs for b3 (Sync UI), but many paper-cut bugs that could be cleaned up.
  • Sync UI redesign and implementation is underway
    • Landed enough of the UI to get strings landed

    • UI design is being tweaked, but we should have something reasonable for b3
    • JPAKE platform support is in review

UX design

Maemo

Qt

Android

Electrolysis

General Platform

Video

  • Audio should be working on Android builds.

Camera

Plugins

Performance

Networking

Graphics

Startup

Layout

Content

Release Engineering

  • tegras

    • Down; have never given reliable results.

    • We’re scrambling to get these running before aki goes on vacation
    • bug 610600 – Tegra remote installApp steps are broken
    • bug 611348 – devicemanager.py needs an uninstall function that does not reboot
    • bug 612789 – devicemanager can’t function after dm.removeDir(devRoot)
    • This is why aki is strongly against changing the n900s until the remote tests are a mature and known piece of infrastructure
    • Tegra imaging doc
    • how to set up the tegra imaging machine
  • N900s
    • Lots of small changes & improvements; see Joel’s update

QA

Manual

Automation

  • Android

    • working on updating SUTAgent and tools to install updates robustly
  • Maemo

    • Added mochitests to tinderbox

    • crashtests are green (there is a random orange)

Other

Firefox/Gecko Delivery Meeting Minutes: 2010-11-17

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Firefox/Planning/2010-11-17

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Firefox/Gecko Delivery Meeting Details

  • Wednesdays – 11:00am Pacific, 2:00pm Eastern, 18:00 UTC

  • Mountain View Offices: Warp Core Conference Room
  • Toronto Offices: Fin du Monde Conference Room
  • 650-903-0800 or 650-215-1282 x92 Conf# 8605 (US/INTL)
  • 1-800-707-2533 (pin 369) Conf# 8605 (US)
  • irc.mozilla.org #planning for backchannel
  • (the developer meeting takes place on Tuesdays)
REMEMBER

These notes are read by people who weren’t able to attend the meeting. Please make sure to include links and context so they can be understood.

Agenda

  • actions from last week:

  • schedule and progress on upcoming releases
  • review highlights and notices
  • respond to questions and concerns

Action Items

Schedule & Progress on Upcoming Releases

Firefox 4

  • Beta 8 code freeze planned for Monday, 2010-11-22

Firefox 3.6 & 3.5

  • Code freeze for 3.6.13 and 3.5.16 is TOMORROW, 2010-11-18 @ 11:59 pm PST

  • Plan to ship 3.6.13 and 3.5.16 on December 9th

Add-on Builder 1.0a6

  • All deliverable planned for this release (and a few extras, score!) were completed on time.

  • Code was frozen Monday as scheduled, unit testing has been done on the trunk
    • A couple of bugs were identified, all trivial and fixed on trunk
  • An RC will be pushed to stage and tested tomorrow
  • Release of 1.0a6 will occur on Monday (November 22)
  • Final call for input on the 1.0a7 development plan!
    • We had to adjust the overall theme (was focused on code editor mods) and delivarables for 1.0a7 given the pending merger of Skywriter and Cloud9′s code editor.

Jetpack SDK 0.10

  • froze last Wednesday, November 10

  • we are holding release to land beta blockers
  • most remaining work is small or well underway
  • one remaining test failure whose provenance is uncertain
  • RC1 by next Wednesday, November 24?

Input 2.0

  • We’re releasing tomorrow, 11/17

  • Focusing over to a 2.1 release that will have ideas, copy user agent, siphon by device type for mobile firefox

Highlights / Notices

  • User feedback summary:

Issue

SUMO

Input

Buglink
Plugin area shown in toolbars for Windows 7 users

125

bug 590568
Status Bar Removal

400

1332

bug 574688
Sync Icon Missing

30

not a bug
Not Supporting PPC

10

not a bug
Tuenti.com–Pages Don’t load (Compartments?)

248

bug 601803
[Cannot Reproduce] Vkontakte Page constantly reloads and HTML5 Video isn’t running

83

  • Plugins are now painted asynchronously on Windows. This could make performance and responsiveness on slow computers a lot better. bsmedberg wants testing from nightly-users. (bug 596451).
  • In Firefox 4 beta 7 users on MacOS 10.5 (Leopard) cannot submit crash reports, and all crashes appear to be hangs/unresponsive Firefox. (bug 599475).
  • Syed in Release Engineering has been making great progress on signing the OSX builds. Won’t be ready for beta 8, but definitely before 4.0 final. We’ll need some extra help from QA to verify this all works as expected. bug 400296

Questions and Concerns

Press & Public Reactions

17-November-2010

SeaMonkey Meeting Minutes: 2010-11-16

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SeaMonkey:StatusMeetings:2010-11-16

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SeaMonkey Meeting Details

Agenda

  • Who’s taking minutes? -> Ratty

Action Items

(who needs to do what that hasn’t been recorded in a bug) We should assign people to the open items.

NEW

OPEN

CLOSED

K.I.V.

  • Get permission from Google to use their geolocation JSON service [KaiRo]. We can still only wait on the Google front right now. Didn’t hear anything about open Geolocation service yet. No easy solution in sight.

SeaMonkey 2.0.11

open blockers (0)
blocker requests (0)
fixed (12)

  • Based on Gecko 1.9.1.16, target date December 9, see Releases.

  • Release schedule will be synchronized with the next Firefox 3.5 release (3.5.16) in early December (tentative).
  • Aqualon has been running the 2.0.11pre nightlies on Windows. Nothing unusual so far.

SeaMonkey 2.1 Beta 2

open blockers (1)
blocker requests (4)
targeted (3)
fixed (38)

(Further 2.1 scheduling:)

  • Please help updating the New 2.1 Features page as we go.

  • Plans for 2.1: 6-8 weeks per milestone, b2 (feature freeze) probably in early December; final to be decided later.
    • We’ll probably close for the beta2 once SyncUI has landed.
  • Unsure how this fits Firefox 4 plans as they are still trying to get to their feature freeze.
  • Firefox 4 now officially being in early 2011, which gives us a bit more time.
    • As Firefox is now going RC in January, it makes sense to do a short-cycle b3 and try to match it with FF4RC. We can then make make b3 the final feature and string freeze, to be followed by 2.1pre.
  • Beta 1 on PPC is broken.
    • We will get 64bit boxes going soon and then we’ll switch trunk to i386/x86_64 universal builds and stop generating PPC.

Feature List, Planning

Bug statistics for last two (full) weeks: 59 new, 23 fixed, 15 triaged.

  • Fix rate is good but needs to improve, triage continues to be weak. Should do more there.

  • Good further triage targets could come out of looking at the component bug counts, pick yours!
  • Proposed SeaMonkey Triage Week
    • Aqualon added a first proposal to SeaMonkey:Triage_Week and InvisibleSmiley contributed as well. There are some open questions we need to answer.

    • INVALID is pretty easy if it’s not a bug in our code or intentional behavior For WONTFIX, if the module owner or someone from the Council says it is WONTFIX, then it is. We could have a “WONTFIX?” whiteboard marker so and module owners and council members can go through those later.
    • It is probably a good idea to group components and not do the whole product for the whole week. Perhaps we should have timetable where “champions” for the different components can be online to help.

Major wanted/needed features:

2.1

Needing help, Unowned, Stalled
  • bug 460953 kill-rdf port.

  • bug 436794 Enable Mac OS X system address book per default and add UI.
    • SM UI needed, unowned, helpwanted.
  • bug 449728 Drag tabs between windows.
  • bug 477845 Build a standalone (Gecko 2.0) Composer. [kaze]
    • kaze is currently job hunting so doesn’t have much time to spend on this.

    • bug 477840 Backport KompoZer to Composer (Depends on bug 477845).
    • kaze has done a ton of work there. We still need to work out some organizational issues. At the moment there is no active interest from MoMo for bringing standalone composer into comm-central. That’s something we (KaiRo and kaze) will have to negotiate with the Thunderbird team (dmose).
  • bug 523274 Complete new default theme icon set.
  • bug 526210 Update the icon set for the SeaMonkey Modern Theme.
    • Some proposed icons got posted, we should take a look how to get that contribution into the product.

    • The rest is unowned so far.
  • bug 507841 Port Bug 422814 – Make account configuration quick, easy, and more secure (autoconfig, Quick Account Setup).
  • bug 573538 No options for Safe-Mode.
  • bug 521159 [SeaMonkey 2.1] Port |bug 514327 Detect outdated plugins and offer upgrade path|
  • bug 87098 [SeaMonkey] Delete key should delete location bar history list entry
Active
  • bug 533908 SeaMonkey Mail: tabs not restored [misak]

    • Needs feedback from Neil.
  • bug 570004 Popup/”doorhanger” notifications [Neil]
    • Implementation moved to bug 595810.

    • Neil resumed porting add-on notifications to doorhangers, except that he can’t actually get the notifications to fire for testing purposes.
  • bug 566138 Better integration with Windows 7 taskbar
    • status/progress?
  • bug 576970 Port Sync UI to SeaMonkey trunk [InvisibleSmiley]
    • Waiting for reviews from Neil (small one) and Ian (Preferences), then only the themes (Classic) part is left.

We also should take a look at the other items on 2.1-wanted
Also the nominations need triaging.

  • We will need to take a close look at Lightning, which is mainly targeting Thunderbird.

    • Lightning 1.0 beta 1 is for SM2.0 and TB3.0, 1.0 beta 2 is for TB3.1 (Gecko 1.9.2), 1.0 beta 2 will probably be Gecko 2.0-based.

Roundtable – Personal Status Updates

Status Updates from developers – what are you working on, what’s the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).

Aqualon

  • Working on bug 601091 Port FillInHTMLTooltip changes from firefox.

asrail

Callek

Bugs fixed:

  • bug 607775 Finalize missed comm-central sync for client.mk.

  • bug 608173 Build system should provide an intelligible error when switching from gmake to pymake or vice versa on an absolutely configured objdir.
  • bug 608478 Move PERL and MOZILLA_VERSION lines back to where they belong…
  • bug 608483 Port |bug 551438 Require system libpng to be at version 1.4.1 or later| to comm-central.
  • bug 608484 Port |bug 595805 Update required cairo version to 1.10 | to comm-central.
  • bug 608485 Port Mozilla Changes of |bug 583611 (SQLite3.7.1) Upgrade to SQLite 3.7.1| to comm-central.
  • bug 608992 Adjust l10n-compare filter to ignore additional feed readers.
  • bug 608048 xpcshell target does not pass-down $(EXTRA_TEST_ARGS). [waiting for checkin]

To Do:

ewong

  • Fixed:

    • bug 576026 – runtests.py.in is an interpolated file and shouldn’t be

    • bug 423401 – Please use a local variable and copy the string once. [Check-in Needed]
    • bug 602758 – Fix “a the” in comments (in Toolkit) [Approval needed]
  • Waiting for Review:

    • bug 594744 – Update cache preferences from bug 559942.

    • bug 606482 – _install_-updates preference wrongly labeled with “_check_ for”
  • Working on:

    • bug 612030 – follow-up to removal of region.dtd

    • bug 601562 – Update Modern theme from missingPlugin.css to pluginProblem.css
  • Investigating:

    • bug 11459 – Need option for mailto: to launch external mail app or open a webmail url

    • bug 573538 – No options for Safe-Mode

IanN

  • Usual testing, reviewing and commenting.

  • Fixed:
    • bug 609422 Insert and Format entries in menubar in MailNews Compose window enable on hover.
  • Working on:
    • bug 606683 Allow customization of toolbar in Composer and MailNews Composition.

    • Prefs-in-a-tab.

InvisibleSmiley

  • Fixed:

    • bug 579738 Make lightweight themes / personas work in mailnews windows

    • bug 579739 Make lightweight themes / personas work in composer window
    • bug 608966 Make lightweight themes / personas work in the address book window
    • bug 606992 Add ability to drag feed URL from header pane
    • bug 79397 Want F5 to view/reload as per browser
    • bug 509954 Make F5 reload on other platforms than Window
    • bug 610517 Bookmarks and Address Book sidebars’ search fields miss placeholder attribute
    • bug 556547 Port |bug 555839 Turn on OpenGL LayerManager for fullscreen video widget| to SeaMonkey
  • Working On:

KaiRo

  • Landed patch for unittest builds on Windows not triggering packaged tests (bug 607910).

  • Filed bug and got things going for switching some SeaMonkey buildslaves to 64bit Mac (bug 611105).
  • Created and checked in a patch for some new flags on AMO URLs (bug 610066).
  • Ported a number of small places changes to SeaMonkey (bug 610736).
  • Worked on opening specific views (bug 588418) and selecting entries after delete (bug 597994) for Data Manager.
  • Updated Data Manager add-on and figured out new code names for my add-ons.
  • Picked up the Download Manager work from some time ago and tried to get the Firefox add-on going again, but this time with the manager in a tab.
  • Updated German dictionaries to clear them from bug 611420 problems.
  • Added Mozilla mission promotion to SeaMonkey start page.
  • As usual, my blog has more detailed status about my work, and Mozilla Status Board Posts also tell about my next planned steps.

mcsmurf

Fixed:

  • bug 600179 LDAP DLLs reference compiler debug DLLs when building a non-debug build. [checkin-needed].

Waiting for review:

  • bug 609106 Add plugin-container.exe to ShimInclusionList via installer.

Misak

Working on bug 605001 ChatZilla Broken – Does not display anything in the message window.

Mnyromyr

Stalled:

  • bug 236954 Merge uses of mail.show_headers pref.

Waiting on reviews:

  • bug 608202 xpcshell: new test_attachment_size.js fails, “ASSERTION: nothing to write!: ‘dest >= line && dest < src’ … mimeenc.cpp, line 757″ in yenc test.

MReimer

Fixed:

  • bug 606998 “Helper Applications” panel in preferences window unusable on a “non Gnome” system.

  • bug 399310 Add Firefox Sidebar API to SeaMonkey Sidebar. [checkin-needed]

Neil

Fixed:

  • bug 573388 ASSERTION: aWebProgress and channel callbacks do not point to the same docshell.

  • bug 598942 Yellow triangle appearing in the Windows tray instead of new mail icon.
  • bug 608958 Omnijar doesn’t load preference files in reverse alphabetical order.
  • bug 609877 Don’t access DOM elements before the document loads.
  • bug 610408 Can’t see full screen window controls, bookmark overflow chevron or tab or sidebar close button when using dark lwtheme.

Working on:

  • bug 595810 Centralise notifications for ease of conversion to doorhangers.

  • bug 611503 Constructing an nsTDependentString from an nsTAString makes no sense.

Ratty

Bugs fixed:

  • bug 610340 Truncate form validation message only if they are content specified (Port Bug 606817).

Working on:

  • bug 484968 Make SeaMonkey tab bar scrollable to cope with tab overflow.

  • bug 553459 Deal with saved POST data in functions loading entries e.g. from places.

TODO:

Other:

Ricardo

  • In progress:

    • bug 232063: Shortcuts for text viewing, navigation and selection

I expect to provide a new patch in no more than two or three days (no much free time these days, sorry).

sgautherie

  • Fixed (or in-progress) SeaMonkey (related) bugs:

    • bug 607960 Port |Bug 607309 – Modify nsINavBookmarkObserver::onItemAdded to include the URI| to SeaMonkey

    • bug 607583 Merge updateOptionItems() into updateComposeItems()
  • Fixed MailNews Core bugs:
    • bug 610556 Linker errors on shared builds with NS_SetDllDirectory
  • Fixed (or in-progress) Core bugs:
    • bug 599737 Fully end-of-life Python 2.4 for build support

    • bug 610565 [m-1.9.1] mochitests: increase SERVER_STARTUP_TIMEOUT to 180 from 45 on Debug
    • bug 611231 [SeaMonkey] mochitest-plain-5: “test_arrowpanel.xul” fails now
    • bug 611540 [SeaMonkey] mochitest-plain-5: intermittent test_alerts.html failure “Observer is notified within 15 seconds”, leaking to test_alerts_noobserve.html or test_Microformats.html
    • bug 595756 “DOMSVGLength.cpp(58) : error C2248: ‘mozilla::DOMSVGLengthList::mItems’ : cannot access private member declared in class ‘mozilla::DOMSVGLengthList’”
  • Fixed other projects bugs:
    • [Thunderbird] bug 609926 ‘Quote Message’ menuitem activation misbehaves

stefanh

  • Did some reviews

  • Fixed:
  • Waiting on reviews:

    • bug 611759 [Pinstripe] Remove ‘-moz-appearance: treeheadersortarrow’ from listbox.css/tree.css

    • bug 611857 [Mac Default] Adopt css for click-through support

Any other business?

  •  ?

Thunderbird Meeting Minutes: 2010-11-16

Filed under: Posts — Tags: — Jesper Kristensen @ 12:00 am

Thunderbird/StatusMeetings/2010-11-16

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Current Release Schedules
Thunderbird 3.3 Alpha 1 Thunderbird 3.1.7 & 3.0.11
To Be Announced

  • Code freeze: 23rd Nov 23:59

  • L10n freeze: 23rd Nov 23:59
  • Builds start: 24th Nov
  • QA with builds start: 29th Nov
  • Beta period starts: 30th Nov
  • Final release: 9th Dec

Thunderbird Meeting Details :

Remember to press *1 to unmute yourself before talking!

Feel free to ask questions in the meeting either by speaking up or by asking them in #maildev on IRC.

Agenda

  • Who’s taking minutes? –> clarkbw

  • Minute taking Schedule. Talk to davida for schedule changes/additions.
  • Note: this meeting is for interactive discussion. Feel free to ask questions!

Action Items

Friends of the Tree

Thanks to our Friends of the Tree When adding someone to this section, please get their T-Shirt size and send it to rebron@mozillamessaging.com so that he can send them a shirt!

Conversion Funnel (Priority 0 side project)

  • Funnelcake 3, still crunching numbers have a weeks worth of data now. We have about 1k less than in funnelcake 2 in this sample w/ ~4200 users.

  • ISPDB: 39% conversion rate; top 10 domain misses: ocn.ad.jp, psmtp.com, aon.at, interia.pl, telenet-ops.be, cox.net, btinternet.com, netease.com, shaw.ca, ntlworld.com

Thunderbird Development

Feature Work

Account Provisioner:

  • We’re still waiting on legal stuff, and are using the time to polish.

Pluggable Mail Stores:

  • Merged with trunk, fixed some test failures in Berkeley store, 3 left to fix

    • Test to fix not to hard up to now, but busy with other point

    • should be dogfoodable by 3.3

Experiments

  • Up next: Thunderbird Conversations (formerly Gmail Conversation View). Currently ironing things out with clarkbw and andychung before cutting a 2.0 release. [protz]

  • Updates for Mailing List Manager, Contacts on deck.
  • Sync Add-on further out.
  • On schedule to release an add-on a week for the next month or so

Trunk Development

  • Set up new wiki page listing our various branches.

  • New blocking and status flags set up for 3.3x. Bug tracking page also set up.
  • Trunk Alphas will be code-named Miramar, based on previous discussion on tb-planning. Nightlies will adopt the name once we branch.
Mac builds
Miramar Alpha 1
  • Release what we have on trunk

    • Backend improvements

    • Add-on Manager and extension changes
    • Linux 64 bit and Mac 32/64 bit builds.
  • Current blockers
  • Expecting to start release process this week.
Post Alpha 1
  • Aiming for frequent alphas, specifically to pick up fixes / features.

  • Help on fixing blockers would be very useful and appreciated, see this list of higher priority bugs.
  • blocking criteria :
    • Alpha 1 -> Serious usability issues.

    • After -> not real criteria, regression/usability issues as usual.

3.2

  • Decision on if/when we’ll do 3.2 on hold until we progress account provisioning further.

Thunderbird Stability & Security Releases

  • mozilla-1.9.2/1.9.1 starts code freeze on Thursday.

  • Bug Lists: 3.1, 3.0
Major updates to 3.1
  • Unthrotle 3.1.0 -> 3.1.6

  • 2.x user down to 17%

QA Updates

  • Preparing testing round for Alpha1

Marketing Updates

  • PR Update: Lots of positive reviews 1, 2 for F1 by Mozilla Labs. Articles boosted by Firefox 4 Beta 7 news on the same day.

    • Facebook Messaging announced. WSJ, Washington Post. Lots of coverage, mixed reception.

    • AOL Phoenix Project also announced, an updated version of their AOL Mail.
  • ADUs: 6.4MM total ADUs current high; 2.x is 18% of total ADUs now, downloads steady at above 90k a day average
  • Starting planning for 2011 conferences (FOSDEM, etc), marketing events participation. Send me info if you have suggestions on where we should be.

Infrastructure Update

  • Mac OS X 10.6 32/64 Universal builds on trunk nightly

  • Packaged Mozmill/XPCShell tests on trunk (no more check builders)

Build / Release Update

  • added comm-central trunk release builders

Web Update

Documentation

Sumomo clean-up: complete and make draft articles live; new articles; combine duplicates; updates

This week:

  • looking at contribution sources / metrics, MDC and Sumomo

  • Kitsune QA (the new support / KB platform)

Support

(If you support Thunderbird or write documentation to help support Thunderbird, please subscribe to the tb-support-crew mailing list and briefly introduce yourself to the list)

  1. 449 new support topics down 21% (567 last week; this week is a bit down from normal)

  2. Make TB 3.1 look like TB 2 MozillaZine/Mozilla Messaging Collaboration “sprint” is technically over but could still use your edits!
  3. 3.1 Support Issues
  4. See this week’s Support Appendix for full Get Satisfaction metrics and other support details

Lightning Updates

Status Updates

See the Mozilla Status Board for status updates specific to developers.

Roundtable Highlights

Attendees

Dmose, standard8, bwinton, davidB ,gozer,john,Andrei

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