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28-September-2011

Mobile Meeting Minutes: 2011-09-28

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Details

  • Wednesdays – 9:30am Pacific, 12:30pm Eastern, 16:30 UTC

  • Dial-in: conference# 95346
    • US/International: +1 650 903 0800 x92 Conf# 95346

    • US toll free: +1 800 707 2533 (pin 369) Conf# 95346
    • Canada: +1 416 848 3114 x92 Conf# 95346
  • irc.mozilla.org #mobile for backchannel
  • vidyo: PB&J

Schedule

  • Released Firefox 7

  • Spinning up Firefox 8 Beta 1
  • Next merge date is 2011-11-08

Major Topics for This Week

Application

Front-end

  • Some priorities:

    • Stabilize Fx9 on tablet and phone ASAP

    • Work on backlog of non-theme bugs we have been accumulating (need to triage)
  • Get some QA and User testing on:
    • Webapps

    • Locale Picker
    • Camera
  • Make some decisions on:
    • Flash on demand (front-end patch getting better)

    • UA
    • Featurettes, like the Clear Private Data changes (need to triage)

UX design

  • tablet UI for fx9 pretty much where we want it; two things:

    • prefs/add-ons/downloads styling still to latnd (today?) – get accepted for aurora

    • making a lower FPS throbber for gingerbread/froyo (single core) so that hopefully we can take a higher FPS one on dualcore devices (honeycomb)

Platform Support

Android

Native Front-End

Flash

  • platform support for pre-honeycomb is in

  • front end patch did not make 9
  • blassey and mfinkle to push to get front end in very soon so we get as much testing as possible for 10
  • honeycomb work started, ETA unknown

IME

  • Masayuki working on API redesign to make our work easier bug 685395

  • alexp working on patching IME events to solve a certain set of issues bug
  • alexp working on keeping IME events in sync bug 653895

Performance

Startup

A small selection of bugs we are (or could be) looking at:

  • bug 674651 – nsContentPolicy should skip resource and chrome schemes

  • bug 689713 – Warm up the DNS cache in Java when launching with a URL intent
  • bug 673253 – Delay sqlite usage until first paint
  • bug 651890 – Avoid relocations when initializing plugin-container
  • bug 684878 – Fetch URL while Fennec loads

Testing

QA

  • Status

    • 8.0b1 testplan

    • Awaiting for response for action on a 7.0.1 if needed (add-on issue)

Test Suites

Test Automation

production unittests

* bug 688762, bug 689519 - cleaned up return codes
* bug 689518 - fixed pageloader
* bug 686143 - need to figure out the jsreftests which timeout frequently
* would really like releng to pull cleanup and device sanity check out of the official job (less purple/red)
* new tests and changes should be on hold until we have <5% failure rate on average
* bug 689596 - fixing missing network proxy in android talos config, should be landing later this week

easier for developers to work with tools

* bug 688604 - make talos-remote - coming soon
* bug 687974 - adb for talos
* bug 688749 - fixed issue with reftest where --ignore-window-size would fail 
* need to consider >1 adb device attached at once.
* need to figure out what we support for devices; rooted? cp? run-as? os? tablets?

future

* bug 686807 - pull minidumps from tegras 
* bug 685632 - tp4m rss collection
* xpcshell for tegra
* webserver for mochitest/reftest so we don't need host utils
* pandaboard work
* add more mochitests
* figure out more details why we are skipping so many reftests

Release Engineering

android_tier_1

  • (fixed) bug 684253 – 6 new foopies

  • bug 665891 – add 200 new tegras to pool. On their way; we’ve already bumped our tegra count to ~120.
    • (fixed) bug 689209 – Frequent Android “Graph server unreachable” with “No machine_name called ‘tegra-X’ can be found”
  • (fixed) bug 689350 – No Android/Tegra Tp4m data since Monday 2011-09-19

Mountain View power/network outages this week affected tegra/n900 stability; currently fixed.

  • (open) bug 689728 – make bm-remote-talos-webhost-* more robust
  • maemo tier 3?

SUMO

SUMO (37 new threads)

Regular requests:

  • Flash Player (103)

  • Firefox for Nokia/Symbian (40)
  • Firefox for iPad (25)

Mobile SUMO article page views are the same as last week (11941).

FirefoxforAndroid: (35 total threads):

  • Themes: Flash player and trouble downloading from market

Firefox 7 Release:

  • Andriod Market reviews: TBD

  • Input

Praise 63%, Issues 23%, Ideas 13%

42 issues total posted in last 24 hours, 10 are Flash player

Other theme is user agent setting/confusion

Other

If you have topics that you think are important to cover at the Mobile Summit, please contact blassey

Firefox/Gecko Delivery Meeting Minutes: 2011-09-28

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Planning Meeting Details

  • Wednesdays – 11:00am PDT, 18:00 UTC

  • Mountain View Offices: Warp Core Conference Room
  • Toronto Offices: Fin du Monde Conference Room
  • irc.mozilla.org #planning for backchannel
  • (the developer meeting takes place on Tuesdays)

Video/Teleconference Details – NEW

  • 650-903-0800 or 650-215-1282 x92 Conf# 95312 (US/INTL)

  • 1-800-707-2533 (pin 369) Conf# 95312 (US)
  • Vidyo Room: Warp Core
  • Vidyo Guest URL
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Actions from Last Week

  • Sheila to come back on bug 687991 — crashes on alice.it without stack

    • Fixed another bug so we could get the crash reports. Crash only showing in builds from 20110923 or earlier so appears fixed by bug 687768.
  • Johnath to ping JB about Thunderbird participation in this meeting
    • Sent mail, they are going to participate, but are going to lurk for a few weeks first (hi tbirders!)
  • Johnath to ping Todd about apps participation in this meeting
    • Sent mail…

Schedule & Progress on Upcoming Releases

Firefox Desktop

Release (3.6, 7)

Beta (8)

Aurora (9)

  • We got some really nice capabilities uplifted from m-c to Aurora yesterday. Here’s a taste.

    • “Type Inference” giving us up to 44% performance improvements on AWFY

    • Twitter Search
    • “Two-finger swipe for Lion” for back and forward navigation on Mac 10.7 Lion.
    • “New Lion-ized theme for Lion” toolbars, icons, buttons, etc.
    • Tweaks to the Windows theme for Win7 consistency
    • You can now create bookmarks by dragging text URLs to bookmarks toolbar
    • Now you can drag a link from another app and just drop it on Firefox and it will load
    • “Always restore pinned tabs” No matter what the users settings for restoring tabs (or not) the App Tabs should always be restored.
    • “Improve responsiveness of history removals” deleting large numbers of history items from the Library view used to hang the browser forever. now it is much faster.
    • “Add support for fave icons on jump list uri entries” Windows 7 JumpLists, a pretty important windows integration feature, just got a lot better. Right click on Firefox in the taskbar and see the beautiful icon-ified jumplist popup.
    • “should be able to reset a resized textarea” Users can resize text areas in Firefox. If you resize a textarea and then double click on the resizer it will reset to the original dimensions.
    • “Sync should never complain about a network problem anymore unless you the Sync Now menu item/toolbar button is clicked.” Sync is getting less noisy with its errors.
    • “Implement font-stretch property” was completed in 9. It’s notable because it was filed in 1999 :-)
    • “add mouseenter and mouseleave DOM events” high-profile web devs have been begging for this for a good while.
    • “Implement CSS3 columns shorthand” CSS 3 columns are more important than ever and with IE 10 (and Windows 9) adding support for multi-column layout, we’re finally getting there with colums.
    • “Implement CSS3 text-overflow: <left> <right>”
    • “API for controlling fullscreen from content” (still preffed off.)
    • “Implement temporal dimension portion of Media Fragments URI specification for video/audio” This is kind of a huge step for Open Video.

Nightly (10)

  • The last week of trunk development was pretty great. Most of this made the uplift to Aurora as well.

    • Bug 635645 – consider increasing the amount of scrolling performed by using the arrow keys — This makes us scroll fast like all the other browsers. Easy win on perceived performance.

    • Some nice tweaks to from front-end folks
      • Bug 684450 – Remove stop/go/reload button affordance and streamline other location bar icons

      • Bug 689051 – drop the drop shadow on the back button for Windows 7
      • Bug 632365 – Delay status updates for links further
      • Bug 462117 – Add specialized video controls for small-dimension media.
      • Bug 472942 – VideoDocument should center video in tab

Firefox Mobile

The bigger issues

  • Will Java front-end be feasible? Doug T. is driving toward an initial pros/cons analysis over the next week

  • Flash support will land on nightly in the next few days, need to evaluate and set criteria for whether it would be good enough to ship (Note, this is smartphones only, because it’s Gingerbread and earlier, not Honeycomb)
  • Startup shrink continues and the focus is to get us ready for toronto work week. We’re capturing baseline measurements for mem usage and responsiveness so that we can track optimization wins. We are also looking at analysis of metrics across release channel builds.
  • We need to agree across groups on goals for downloads and active users for Q4 – Jay will drive this
  • IME and keyboard are being tackled by alexp, masayuki, snorp and blassey

Top three customer issues and plan to fix

  • startup/stability; 38% of 1 & 2-star ratings on Android Market are “slow/unstable”; startupshrink project is the plan to fix

  • other performance themes: page loading performance and scrolling/panning performance; getting quit in the background; memshrink project is the plan to fix
  • flash player; biggest issue on SUMO every week since launch; mobile platform group is working on a click-to-play solution

7

  • Released to Android market

  • Ad-Block plus is likely the only major add-on affected by “hidden” add-on issue, no plan (let’s discuss) to revert to 6.0.
  • Reminder: Key Features in this release
    • Copy & Paste

    • Added a ‘Quit’ action to the Android menu
    • Language detection on first-run
    • Improved image rendering on Tegra-based tablets and phones (see bug 669851)
    • The WebSocket API is now available in Firefox for Android (see bug 537787)

8

9

  • Major tablet UX refresh – good feedback on input so far

  • Webapps support
  • More locale picker work
  • Camera
  • Need to make decisions on:
    • Flash on demand (front-end patch getting better)

    • UA
    • Featurettes, like the Clear Private Data changes (need to triage)

Firefox Sync

Add-on Builder

  • Q3 2011 goals are on-track for completion

  • AMO integration nearing completion
  • Builder “1.0″ public launch is targeted for mid-Q1 2012

Add-on SDK

Release (1.1 -> Firefox 7)

  • 1.0 -> 1.1 repack occurred Monday, September 26

  • repack process experienced some problems; they have now been resolved
  • repack post-mortem to take place this week or next

Stabilization (1.2 -> Firefox 7, 8)

  • second test build, 1.2b2, spun yesterday, Tuesday, September 27 (announcement)

  • final release on schedule for Tuesday, October 25, two weeks before Firefox 8
  • will probably move up final release one week to Tuesday, October 18, three weeks before Firefox 8 (discussion)

Development (1.3 -> Firefox 8, 9)

  • merge to stabilization branch on schedule for Tuesday, October 25

  • will probably move up merge and final release one week to ship three weeks before Firefox 9

Feedback Summary

Desktop

Got a little busy with 7.0.1 so here’s a copy-paste of the note I sent to rrrt last night:

  • Broken extensions:

    • Yahoo Toolbar is a big one, apparently bookmarks stored there are wiped out entirely. Lots of complaints of dataloss here. (May also be bug 680802)

    • One or two people saying noscript went missing (that’s bug 680802).
    • Lots of complaints about Norton toolbar — Users have to update via Norton first before updating Firefox.
    • Kaspersky doesn’t work at all.
    • Java console also making a reappearance.
    • 1Password – From kev “1Password switched to a full JS implementation a while back. Users have been reluctant (from what I understand) to upgrade because there’s some functionality loss.”
    • Some banking extension (maybe trusteer)
    • Roboform (also lots of complaints)
  • Spike in people saying they lost bookmarks/favorites — may be Yahoo toolbar. I know people about two weeks ago were saying that we “forced Yahoo on them” so I’m not sure what’s going on and Yahoo may have eaten the bookmarks. Or it can be the usual upgrade = profile loss.
  • Firefox not responding randomly. (May be bug 686025 but triggered by the update or some users are saying that they are updating directly from 5 because of this problem but it’s back.)
  • Lost sessions (but we see this with almost every update) — may be worse this time but hard to say.
  • A few complaints about the missing http (not a lot… but some comments that it broke intranet pages and general whining)
  • Maybe something about Yahoo mail layouts being screwed up (can’t reproduce here.)

Mobile

See mobile section for customer issues above.

UX & User Research

Tablet UI exploration (aka usability testing) to take place in Toronto during mobile work week (most likely Oct 18-19th). User research (aka Mary T) is looking for a developer or two to sit in on these sessions.

Market Insights

A fix landed in Chromium to synchronise extension settings.

Amazon announced the Silk Browser for the new Kindle Fire tablet.

Rockmelt announced that they will support Facebook OpenGraph in the Beta product in a few weeks.

Tizen, an open source, Linux-based mobile platform, was launched by the Linux Foundation. It is positioned as a standards-based OS to support web apps on mobile devices.

Marketing, Press & Public Reaction

Questions, Comments, FYI

Actions this week

  • Kev to come back with a summary of the current state of the ESR discussions

27-September-2011

Thunderbird Meeting Minutes: 2011-09-27

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(current release schedules returning soon)

Thunderbird Meeting Details :

Remember to press *1 to unmute yourself before talking!

Feel free to ask questions in the meeting either by speaking up or by asking them in #maildev on IRC.

Other ways to get in touch with us can be found on our communications page

Agenda

  • Who’s taking minutes? –> Standard8

  • Minute taking Schedule. Talk to Standard8 for schedule changes/additions.
  • Note: this meeting is for interactive discussion. Feel free to ask questions!

Action Items

Friends of the Tree

Thanks to our Friend of the Tree. When adding someone to this section, please get their T-Shirt size, phone number (needed for shipping!) and send it to rebron@mozilla.com so that he can send them a shirt!

Thunderbird Development

For more details, see also the driver meeting notes.

Feature Work

Account Provisioner
  • Protz is lining up to get this landed soon.

  • Code is being developed here.
OpenSearch
  • Still undergoing merge into core

  • What’s left to do:
    • Fix search engine providers

    • Tests
Test Pilot
  • Aiming to land this ASAP

  • Blake has UX reviewed it, but still needs a little bit of work to land
  • Standard8 will run it down this week

Experiments

Thunderbird Conversations
  • Paused to concentrate on Open Search / Account Provisioner / Test Pilot
Compose in a tab
  • Paused to concentrate on Open Search / Account Provisioner / Test Pilot
Account Summary

Paused to concentrate on Open Search / Account Provisioner / Test Pilot

Ubuntu Unity Integration
  • thunderbird-couchdb landed in the Canonical archives a few days ago. Ubuntu One contacts are now available!

Schedule and Progress

Thunderbird 7
  • Releasing today.
Thunderbird 8
  • Currently on: Beta (after today)

  • Add-on compatibility bump information prepared, looking for this to happen soon.
  • Expecting to start a beta build soon and release probably next Monday.
Thunderbird 9
  • Currently on: Aurora (after today)

Thunderbird 3.1.x
  • 3.1.15 releasing today.

  • The 3.1 series is going to keep going while we discuss how to work with enterprise users. Once there’s a way forward there, we’ll close down the 3.1 branch.

Extension of the week

  • Zindus An extension that let’s you synch contacts between Thunderbird’s Address book, Google mail and Zimbra servers.

QA Updates

  • Worked on released.

  • Worked on bugzilla.
  • Thunderbird QA is now visible on QMO.

Marketing Updates

Infrastructure Update

  • bug 688554 Spinning up 16 new minis in our colo, to replace the Vancouver ones.

  • [delayed] New VMWare server for Win64, still coming soon.
  • [delayed] Pushing out new Try server this week

Build / Release Update

  • urgent work to bring up Mac minis in MPT colo to replace Vancouver minis (bug 688838). Testing this week. May require some closed tree time.

  • fixed two automation bugs:
    • 688687 – Tagging builds should be restartable

    • 688995 – BumpFilePath() produces incorrect results when newVersion contains oldVersion
  • Thunderbird 7.0 build/release
  • Thunderbird 3.1.15 released

Web Update

  • new version of kitsune this week

  • compatibility bump for TB7 live no later than Thursday, TB8 bump live next week
  • We’re looking into the possibility of getting Thunderbird onto nightly.mozilla.org

Documentation

  • Knowledge Base:

  • reported an Opera bug with conditional content on Knowledge Base
  • 18 responses to (from us to them) to contributor inquiry form

Support

(If you support Thunderbird or write or translate documentation to help support Thunderbird, please subscribe to the tb-support-crew mailing list and briefly introduce yourself to the list)

  1. 1625 new support topics (1769 1 week ago) – Media:19-25September2011-Community_stats_for_Mozilla_Messaging.png

  2. Thunderbird 6 Support Issues
  3. Thunderbird 7 Support Issues – Please edit and add any issues found in TB7
  4. Awesome number of new Get Satisfaction support contributors in the last 3 weeks, not sure why (jen’s contribute form work perhaps?) but love it! Welcome to new support contributors bernd_s, odinbc aka husveg, inoneear and sfhowes !
  5. See this week’s Support Appendix for full Get Satisfaction metrics and other support details

Lightning Updates

  • Lightning release is probably better named 1.0b7, this gives us more time for testing the just pushed patches.

  • We are on slashdot
  • Google Summer of Code student Mohit seems to be sticking with us! Yay!

Status Updates

See the Mozilla Status Board for status updates specific to developers.

Roundtable Highlights

Attendees

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Goals

Notices / Schedule

  • We released Firefox 7!

  • We did the source migration!
    • Nightly users have fun with your version sniffing bugs…

    • Check the announcements for the particular changeset aurora9 is based on
  • We have a new release manager! Say hi to Alex Keybl, based in MV

Firefox Development

  • Dao has fixed one of the more annoying copy/paste issues with the URL bar protocol-stripping behaviour (URLs selected from the awesomebar should not have the prefix added correctly) (bug 668019)

  • (not really firefox front-end, but…) Gian-Carlo Pascutto is making very good progress on switching the safebrowsing store from SQLite to a flat file, to make it more suitable for mobile devices (bug 673470)

Firefox Developer Tools

Performance

GFX

  • The graphics team is planning on having a BugKill day, in which we endeavour to scrub our enormous bug list down to a significantly smaller set that people can keep in their heads.

    • If people are interested in scrubbing our old bugs, please contact Joe Drew so you can be included in the divvying-up of bugs.

    • We think it’s likely to take the whole day, so don’t plan on getting a lot of other work done on that day if you’re involved.
    • We also don’t think we’ll finish on this one day, but it’s an experiment to see if it’s useful, helpful and possible.
    • More details to come, but we know the Graphics BugKill day will be on Friday, October 4, 2011.

JS

Layout

Video

DOM

WebAPI

  • WebSMS API fully implemented (still needs tests and cleanup)

  • WebTelephony radio part is coming along for B2G
  • Files-in-IndexedDB, lots of progress on initial patch, but not done yet
  • Initial battery API drafted and implemented
  • Camera landed preffed off on mobile. Implementation issue keeping it preffed off
  • Fabrice will be doing camera on desktop once the mobile part is done
  • The plan is for all of the above to land on m-c.
    • Possible exception is WebTelephony, but we’ll likely want to land and disable that in order to keep it running and tested.

Network

Plugins

Mobile

Automation

  • bug 688762 – fix return codes for remote harnesses, this should reduce hanging tegras

  • bug 687974 – adb support for talos
  • bug 688604 – make talos-remote, coming soon!

Mobile Perf Program

  • Can Joel or Clint talk to: bug 685632 – Please collect RSS (memory) data during Talos testing on Android

  • Also digging into helping Joel prioritize & drive which automated tests need to be fixed and helping with getting the hw lab scalable.
  • The focus this week is to create a perf metrics matrix so we can obtain baseline measurements. This is a grassroots effort so that we can create a snapshot of the areas we need to focus on optimizing on mozilla-central in time for the mobile work week. We are focusing on “Macro” or observed measurements and will likely use a 7D/HDMI camera to capture screens
  • Still need to land on what the spectrum of reference HW; targeting by the end of the week
  • A draft of the matrix which will be ready for circulation tomorrow (wed).

Android Native UI

Mobile Testing Ramp-up

https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Testing

meetings Wednesdays at 10:30PST

Accessibility

Multi-Process

Tree Management

  • 80 New 10.6 test machines (“rev4 mac minis”) incoming in the next few weeks. This is a larger pool than before and faster hardware, so they’ll turn around results faster.

  • Old 10.6 test machines will be recycled as linux and windows test machines, which should help throughput for those platforms too.
  • PGO being turned off for on-change builds. bug 658313
    • Nightlies will still be PGO

    • PGO builds will be run every 4 hours
    • It will be possible to request PGO on Try
  • Tinderbox mail has been shut off completely for almost everything. (Remains on for things that aren’t visible on TBPL: Spidermonkey, Valgrind, Nanojit)

Security

Security Reviews Scheduled for this week

Date / Time

Item
Mon Sep 26 / 13:00 PST Stub Installer

How we should implement the verification that the stub installer has downloaded the correct file for installing Firefox
(no link to feature page)

Tue Sep 27 / 10:00 PST Panel Based Download Manager To Be Rescheduled
Wed Sep 28 / 13:00 PST Embedded Add-On Preferences
Thur Sep 29 / 10:00 AM PST Code Editor

Calendar and Meeting details

Stability Report

Socorro

  • Release deployed today

  • Has a skip list for mobile that will help get us more meaningful signatures.

Desktop

  • FF7 out today so too early for meaningful data.

  • Problem with ADUs on Trunk and Aurora showing up as 0 – seems to be fixed. bug 688587
  • All channels look relatively stable.
  • Most of the issues we are tracking relate to external problems
    • bug 684748 – Comcast issue. White Sky deployed a fix last week and crashes are decreasing as people get the update.

    • bug 665775 – DataMgr.dll – Marcia working on checking the list of versions that need to be blocked.
    • bug 688637 – Mcafee script scan – monitoring volume.
    • bug 688895 – Babylon toolbar – monitoring volume.
    • bug 688895 – crash nsRuleNode::Sweep
    • bug 687991 – mail.alice.it. Not getting reports due to problem with the crash reporter – this was fixed. Verified it’s fixed on the mac side on 09/23/11. Need to verify on the windows side.
    • Haven’t seen any issues yet related to the Flash release last week but marcia keeping an eye out for plugin crashes.

Mobile

  • Naoki’s detailed report – https://wiki.mozilla.org/QA/Fennec/crash_rep_26Sept2011

  • Crash reporter issues
    • bug 688692 , bug 686492 and bug 686800

    • bug 686973 – crash happening in Java layer so we don’t get meaningful signatures – around 15% of crashes.
    • bug 689234 – Mobile is not reporting the graphics data in the app notes field. Probably not working because on the desktop we are only reporting this for Windows and not other platforms.
  • Top problems we are tracking.
    • bug 687367 – We worked around this but are now seeing it in the wild. Need to make sure that Andreas knows that this is pretty urgent for Michael to work on.

    • bug 663494 – JP will ask Brad Lassey and his team to look at this bug.
    • bug 677548 – crash [@ nsBuiltinDecoderStateMachine::AdvanceFrame ][@ libc.so@0x15dd8]
    • bug 661158 – Crash on mobile SMP devices while sending PRNetAddr over IPDL [@ Pickle::ReadBytes]
  • Triage for crash bugs to clean up the list, particularly reproducible crashes.

Roundtable

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WeeklyUpdates/2011-09-26


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Friends of the Tree

  • QA team nominates Gabriela Montagu (:gabriela) for her work in testing Fennec. She has been valiant in testing new territories on Android with mobile devices and continues to assist with tracking and examining issues raised in mobile meetings.

  • SUMO wants to thank cor-el, TonyE (aka Quarantine) and the-edmeister for fearlessly taking on question-answering head-on for the last 4 years! That’s over 100000 posts between them.

Upcoming Events

This Week

Monday, 26 September

Tuesday, 27 September

Firefox 7 Launch!

Wednesday, 28 September

  • Brown Bag from NASA on their use of Bugzilla (includes the International Space Station) : Noon Pacific in 10Forward / Mountain View and on Air Mozilla

Thursday, 29 September

Friday, 30 September

Next Week

  • MDN Doc sprint October 1-2, at and during JSconf.eu, focusing on JavaScript docs.

Product Status Updates

Firefox Future (7, 8, 9)

  • We’re shipping tomorrow!

    • Watch the usual places for logistics details, but really, it ain’t no thing.
  • That also means tomorrow is migration day – beta becomes 8, aurora becomes 9, nightly becomes 10.

Firefox Current (3.6, 6.0)

  • We’re shipping tomorrow for Firefox 3.6.23.

    • We expected the 3.6 release to lag by a few days, but some prodigious QA and RelEng efforts seem to have us lined up to get it out for simulship. \o/

Mobile Firefox

  • We’re shipping tomorrow!

  • Performance testing, competitive analysis, and goal-setting are in progress, driven by Erin and Jay. Areas include:
    • start-up (cold and warm)

    • panning
    • page-load
  • Architectural options, including moving some of the front-end into Java, are being explored and prototyped, driving by Dougt
  • Firefox 9 will ship with an awesome/splendid new UI built for tablets

Thunderbird

The next release of Thunderbird ships tommorow!

(Johnath says “it zoooooms“! :)

Older Branch Work

Drumbeat

(no voice update this week)
Last chance to sign up for the 2011 Mozilla Festival in London. Nov 4 – 6.

Speakers

The limit is 3 minutes per speaker. It’s like a lightning talk, but don’t feel that you have to have slides in order to make a presentation.

Presenter

Topic

Media

More Details
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Status Updates By Team

Firefox

Platform

Messaging

Mobile

IT

Release Engineering

QA

Test Execution
  • Still testing/signing-off Firefox 7.0RC: Testplan

  • Firefox Mobile 7.0RC1-build2 signed off – notice sent to release-drivers: Testplan
WebQA
QA Community
  • Firefox Memshrink Testday last week: QMO
Automation Services

Automation & Tools

Security

Security Reviews Scheduled for this week

Date / Time

Item
Mon Sep 26 / 13:00 PST Stub Installer

How we should implement the verification that the stub installer has downloaded the correct file for installing Firefox
(no link to feature page)

Tue Sep 27 / 10:00 PST Panel Based Download Manager
Wed Sep 28 / 13:00 PST Embedded Add-On Preferences
Thur Sep 29 / 10:00 AM PST Code Editor

Calendar and Meeting details

Engagement

PR

Mozilla Answers Business Users with a Slower Firefox Schedule

Mozilla Proposes Extended Support For Firefox
Mozilla Proposes ‘Slower’ Firefox Releases for Enterprises
Mozilla Proposes Firefox ESR Versions for Businesses

Mozilla creates an achievement system for the Internet
Mozilla launches a digital badge system
Mozilla’s Open Badges Offer Ways for You to Showcase Your Skills

Even at 7.0, Firefox Is Still Going Strong

Events

Creative Team

Community Marketing

Support

Metrics

Evangelism

Labs

Developer Tools

Add-ons

Webdev

L10n

Introducing New Hires

  • Brandon Savage: joining the Web Dev team, managed by Laura Thomson, located in Maryland.

  • Mark Crandon: joining the Legal team, managed by Harvey Anderson, located in the Mtn. View Office.
  • Alexander Keybl: joining the Firefox team, managed by Christian Legnitto, located in the Mtn. View Office.
  • Jeff Beatty: joining the Localization team, managed by Chris Hofmann, located in Utah.
  • Jennifer Fong: joining the Web Dev team, managed by Fred Wenzel, located in the Toronto office.
  • Victor Porof: joining the Firefox Developer Tools team, managed by Dave Camp, located in Romania.
  • Brian Nicholson: Firefox Mobile Front-end. Managed by Mark Finkle. Located in MV.

New Intern Hires (Some actually started a few weeks ago, but with Labor Day and All Hands we may have missed introducing them!)

  • Andrew Halberstadt – Tools (welcome back!) – Andrew will be based out of the Toronto office

  • Jason Voll – Services
  • Stephen Lewchuk – Metrics

Foundation Updates

Roundtable

26-September-2011

Mozilla Project Meeting Minutes: 2011-09-26

Filed under: Posts — Tags: — Jesper Kristensen @ 11:00 pm

WeeklyUpdates/2011-09-26


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Video for today’s meeting

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Friends of the Tree

  • QA team nominates Gabriela Montagu (:gabriela) for her work in testing Fennec. She has been valiant in testing new territories on Android with mobile devices and continues to assist with tracking and examining issues raised in mobile meetings.

  • SUMO wants to thank cor-el, TonyE (aka Quarantine) and the-edmeister for fearlessly taking on question-answering head-on for the last 4 years! That’s over 100000 posts between them.

Upcoming Events

This Week

Monday, 26 September

Tuesday, 27 September

Firefox 7 Launch!

Wednesday, 28 September

  • Brown Bag from NASA on their use of Bugzilla (includes the International Space Station) : Noon Pacific in 10Forward / Mountain View and on Air Mozilla

Thursday, 29 September

Friday, 30 September

Next Week

  • MDN Doc sprint October 1-2, at and during JSconf.eu, focusing on JavaScript docs.

Product Status Updates

Firefox Future (7, 8, 9)

  • We’re shipping tomorrow!

    • Watch the usual places for logistics details, but really, it ain’t no thing.
  • That also means tomorrow is migration day – beta becomes 8, aurora becomes 9, nightly becomes 10.

Firefox Current (3.6, 6.0)

  • We’re shipping tomorrow for Firefox 3.6.23.

    • We expected the 3.6 release to lag by a few days, but some prodigious QA and RelEng efforts seem to have us lined up to get it out for simulship. \o/

Mobile Firefox

  • We’re shipping tomorrow!

  • Performance testing, competitive analysis, and goal-setting are in progress, driven by Erin and Jay. Areas include:
    • start-up (cold and warm)

    • panning
    • page-load
  • Architectural options, including moving some of the front-end into Java, are being explored and prototyped, driving by Dougt
  • Firefox 9 will ship with an awesome/splendid new UI built for tablets

Thunderbird

The next release of Thunderbird ships tommorow!

(Johnath says “it zoooooms“! :)

Older Branch Work

Drumbeat

(no voice update this week)
Last chance to sign up for the 2011 Mozilla Festival in London. Nov 4 – 6.

Speakers

The limit is 3 minutes per speaker. It’s like a lightning talk, but don’t feel that you have to have slides in order to make a presentation.

Presenter

Topic

Media

More Details
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-

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Status Updates By Team

Firefox

Platform

Messaging

Mobile

IT

Release Engineering

QA

Test Execution
  • Still testing/signing-off Firefox 7.0RC: Testplan

  • Firefox Mobile 7.0RC1-build2 signed off – notice sent to release-drivers: Testplan
WebQA
QA Community
  • Firefox Memshrink Testday last week: QMO
Automation Services

Automation & Tools

Security

Security Reviews Scheduled for this week

Date / Time

Item
Mon Sep 26 / 13:00 PST Stub Installer

How we should implement the verification that the stub installer has downloaded the correct file for installing Firefox
(no link to feature page)

Tue Sep 27 / 10:00 PST Panel Based Download Manager
Wed Sep 28 / 13:00 PST Embedded Add-On Preferences
Thur Sep 29 / 10:00 AM PST Code Editor

Calendar and Meeting details

Engagement

PR

Mozilla Answers Business Users with a Slower Firefox Schedule

Mozilla Proposes Extended Support For Firefox
Mozilla Proposes ‘Slower’ Firefox Releases for Enterprises
Mozilla Proposes Firefox ESR Versions for Businesses

Mozilla creates an achievement system for the Internet
Mozilla launches a digital badge system
Mozilla’s Open Badges Offer Ways for You to Showcase Your Skills

Even at 7.0, Firefox Is Still Going Strong

Events

Creative Team

Community Marketing

Support

Metrics

Evangelism

Labs

Developer Tools

Add-ons

Webdev

L10n

Introducing New Hires

  • Brandon Savage: joining the Web Dev team, managed by Laura Thomson, located in Maryland.

  • Mark Crandon: joining the Legal team, managed by Harvey Anderson, located in the Mtn. View Office.
  • Alexander Keybl: joining the Firefox team, managed by Christian Legnitto, located in the Mtn. View Office.
  • Jeff Beatty: joining the Localization team, managed by Chris Hofmann, located in Utah.
  • Jennifer Fong: joining the Web Dev team, managed by Fred Wenzel, located in the Toronto office.
  • Victor Porof: joining the Firefox Developer Tools team, managed by Dave Camp, located in Romania.
  • Brian Nicholson: Firefox Mobile Front-end. Managed by Mark Finkle. Located in MV.

New Intern Hires (Some actually started a few weeks ago, but with Labor Day and All Hands we may have missed introducing them!)

  • Andrew Halberstadt – Tools (welcome back!) – Andrew will be based out of the Toronto office

  • Jason Voll – Services
  • Stephen Lewchuk – Metrics

Foundation Updates

Roundtable

24-September-2011

The Meeting Notes blog needs your help

Filed under: Posts — Jesper Kristensen @ 7:19 am

Back in the beginning of 2010 the Mozilla community started to feel a lot less open to me. I could not put my finger at what it was, until half a year later someone pointed out that the notes from the various weekly meetings were no longer posted to Planet Mozilla.

These notes contain a lot of information about what moves in the Mozilla community. Having them on the wiki is all well, but being able to subscribe to them is essential to me to stay up to date on Mozilla matters. I remember the raise of hands at Mozilla Camp Europe 2009 in Prague where almost nobody attended the meetings, almost everybody used the meeting notes as a source of information about Mozilla, and roughly half considered the notes a primary source of Mozilla information.

Though I know the notes are important to me and I think they are important to a lot of others, this blog doesn’t do its best at sharing them.

Two of the problems with the current blog are:

  • The layout is not great. The notes are a lot more pleasant to read directly on the wiki than on the blog. I don’t know why, as I am not a graphical designer, but I think the spacing between the list items and the sizing of the headers are a lot better on the wiki. There are many themes to choose from on blog.mozilla.org, but the meeting notes make heavy use of both nested headings and nested lists, and most themes on blog.mozilla.org fails to display at least one of these two. For example it is common for the themes to display the following two lists the same:
    • one
    • two
    • three

    and

    • one
      • two
        • three

    The previous theme used by this blog before I took over had this problem, which severely reduced the readability of the notes. If someone has a hint for a better blog.mozilla.org theme to use, please tell.

  • The wiki to WordPress converter script has some bugs. It includes a bunch of HTML code and MediaWiki navigation UI in the blog posts, as well as other wasteful information such as the meeting location and dail-in information. I do not have the time to correct these things myself, but anybody is welcome to help. The converter script is open source and ready for anybody to hack.

If you know of any other problems with this blog, please tell, and if you are interested in helping fix the problems I have described, please tell. I can be reached at: mail at jesperkristensen.dk.

21-September-2011

Mobile Meeting Minutes: 2011-09-21

Filed under: Posts — Tags: — Jesper Kristensen @ 11:00 pm

Mobile/Notes/21-Sep-2011


Details

  • Wednesdays – 9:30am Pacific, 12:30pm Eastern, 16:30 UTC

  • Dial-in: conference# 95346
    • US/International: +1 650 903 0800 x92 Conf# 95346

    • US toll free: +1 800 707 2533 (pin 369) Conf# 95346
    • Canada: +1 416 848 3114 x92 Conf# 95346
  • irc.mozilla.org #mobile for backchannel
  • vidyo: PB&J

Schedule

Next merge date is 2011-09-27

Major Topics for This Week

  • Focus on tracking-fennec:9 bugs

  • Checking status on some “almost done” features:
    • Camera (UI and Backend)

    • WebApps API
    • Locale Switcher
    • Flash (click to play)
    • UA

Application

Front-end

  • Working on last few tablet UI tweaks before merge

    • We seem pretty solid for Fx9. Some of the tweaks could be pushed to Fx10, if we have other priority work.
  • Check tracking-fennec:9 bugs for anything assigned to you

UX design

  • Adding polish to the tablet UI, the Nightlies are looking great!

  • Please keep nagging ibarlow for UI input / feedback / assets
  • ibarlow assembling a prioritized list of feedback to get in for FX9

Platform Support

Android

Performance

  • Startup performance

    • Java frontend?

    • Toolchain improvements bug 686805 (bug 686801: static initializers/PGO)?
  • Perceived performance
    • Static UI during launch

Testing

QA

  • New Hire: John Hammink; QA mobile

  • Concerns
    • bug 686763 – Nightly SIGILL related crash on honeycomb

    • bug 684714 – content shows through the URL bar and is scrollable
    • bug 686901 – ESPN full desktop site major checkerboarding/layout/zooming issues
      • kbrosnan is bisecting the ESPN bug
    • Related, new STR posted for bug 676780 – Fennec is unable to load webpages and close tabs
  • 7.0b6 signed off, now on market
  • Crash Report: Sept 19, 2011
  • Working on startup time assessment on various devices. Any particular phone models/families that need more attention than others?

Test Suites

Test Automation

* bug 687147 - crash on startup of fennec, fixed with a hack
* lots of other failures exist, mostly due to crashes of the browser or hangs during quit
* looking into adding in a 'make talos-remote' from an objdir, would this be useful for folks?
* click-to-play and e10s/non-e10s unittests?  this would double the load on the tegras, what is critical in testing in non e10s mode?
* simple wiki to decode [automation failures] on tegras

Release Engineering

android_tier_1

  • (fixed) bug 685242 – split try and non-try tegra pools

  • (fixed) bug 686748 – catch devicemanager exceptions in sut_tools scripts
  • (fixed) bug 687233 – foopies are running out of disk space
  • (fixed) bug 684871 – update dashboard for new tegras
  • (fixed?) bug 687156 – update pageloader max version to * from 9.0
  • (fixed) bug 687018 – intermittent dns failures in Android test jobs
  • (fixed) bug 669415 – new tegras online or distributed to developers; need to be hooked up to foopies

Overall, most purples/reds are now green or orange. Oranges are most likely due to the startup crash that Joel found last week.

Other

  • Welcome Brian Nicholson to Front-end team!

SUMO

  • Increased feedback on nightly posted to input this week:

http://input.mozilla.com/en-US/?q=&product=mobile&version=9.0a1&date_start=2011-08-22&date_end=&sentiment=sad

  • 25% increase in page views for mobile support this month (we fixed a broken link and improved the navigation from the top of the SUMO site)
  • Android market reviews data spreadsheet

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Astsg__lnySwdE1WT1lyVVhUNF9mZWhrVkpTeU9pMWc&ndplr=1#gid=1

  • New people answering mobile SUMO forum questions = splendid!

Firefox/Gecko Delivery Meeting Minutes: 2011-09-21

Filed under: Posts — Tags: — Jesper Kristensen @ 11:00 pm

Firefox/Planning/2011-09-21


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Planning Meeting Details

  • Wednesdays – 11:00am PDT, 18:00 UTC

  • Mountain View Offices: Warp Core Conference Room
  • Toronto Offices: Fin du Monde Conference Room
  • irc.mozilla.org #planning for backchannel
  • (the developer meeting takes place on Tuesdays)

Video/Teleconference Details – NEW

  • 650-903-0800 or 650-215-1282 x92 Conf# 95312 (US/INTL)

  • 1-800-707-2533 (pin 369) Conf# 95312 (US)
  • Vidyo Room: Warp Core
  • Vidyo Guest URL
REMEMBER

These notes are read by people who weren’t able to attend the meeting. Please make sure to include links and context so they can be understood.

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Actions from Last Week

Michelle to look at data for long tail of mobile flash problem. Can’t quantify this based on the available data, reviews and feedback don’t specify the web sites, they just ask for flash player/plugin:

http://input.mozilla.com/en-US/?product=mobile&sentiment=sad&date_end=&date_start=&version=7.0&q=flash

http://input.mozilla.com/en-US/?q=flash&product=mobile&version=9.0a1&date_start=&date_end=&sentiment=sad

http://input.mozilla.com/en-US/?q=flash&product=mobile&version=9.0a1&date_start=&date_end=&sentiment=sad

Schedule & Progress on Upcoming Releases

Firefox Desktop

Release (3.6, 6)

  • Firefox 3.6.23 went to the 3.6 beta audience yesterday

    • Currently planning to ship at the same time as Firefox 7, but it is at risk

Beta (7)

Aurora (8)

  • Reminder: The source migration from (mozilla-central → mozilla-aurora and mozilla-aurora → mozilla-beta) is Tuesday, 2011-09-27 (1 week)

Nightly (9)

  • Reminder: The source migration from (mozilla-central → mozilla-aurora and mozilla-aurora → mozilla-beta) is Tuesday, 2011-09-27 (1 week)

Firefox Mobile

6

7

8

9

  • Platform support for Flash on pre-Honeycomb devices landed.

    • Mark Finkle working on the UI part to enable flash (Push-To-Play)

      • Possibly done in the next few hours.
    • Need to message that this isn’t a *great* experience, but does get you out of a pinch when flash is needed.

Firefox Sync

Add-on Builder

Add-on SDK

Release (1.1 -> Firefox 7)

  • released last Tuesday, September 13, two weeks before Firefox 7

  • 1.0 -> 1.1 repack testing delayed, then stalled on IT issues

Stabilization (1.2 -> Firefox 8)

  • development branch merged to stabilization branch last Tuesday, September 13

  • first test build, 1.2b1, spun yesterday, Tuesday, September 20 (release announcement)
  • final release on schedule for Tuesday, October 25, two weeks before Firefox 8
  • might move up final release one week to Tuesday, October 18, three weeks before Firefox 8 (discussion)

Development (1.3 -> Firefox 9)

  • development begun last Tuesday, September 13

  • merge to stabilization branch on schedule for Tuesday, October 25
  • as with 1.2, might move up merge and final release one week to ship three weeks before Firefox 9

Feedback Summary

Desktop

Firefox 6.0.2

  • Definitely an increase in hanging/not responding over the last couple weeks and possibly crashier.

  • EXC in ev handl: errors still very high.

Firefox 7.0

  • Only solid complaint around http in URL bar

  • Possibly a bug around attaching files on email (mail.com/MobileMe)?? Filing now.
  • And extensions.

Firefox 8.0

  • Nothing new, a few complaints about update frequency still

Firefox 9.0

  • Crash (no crash reporter) on alice.it bug 687991

  • A few complaints that bookmark import doesn’t work from IE (but we’re still broken on 6.0, so no idea why it spiked a little — might be one user wanting attention)

Mobile

  • Increased feedback on input for nightly

http://input.mozilla.com/en-US/?product=mobile&version=9.0a1&sentiment=sad&date_start=2011-09-14&page=3

  • Major issue theme is that people don’t like the tab view in landscape

  • 43 mobile questions on SUMO this week, 11 unanswered. So, if you are new to Mozilla, answering questions on SUMO is an excellent way to learn about your user’s pain points and learn the answers to commonly asked questions about your product.

https://support.mozilla.com/en-US/questions?tagged=mobile

UX & User Research

Market Insights

Desktop

Windows 8 at BUILD

  • Windows app store was not yet available, but will be the gateway to getting apps into the Windows Metro interface.

  • Windows Metro applications are written for a new environment, WinRT, and will be compatible across x86 and ARM, traditional ones will not.

Internet Explorer 10

  • Microsoft released Platform Preview 3 (PP3) of IE10 with the Windows 8 preview. PP3 of IE10 will be released on other platforms at a later date.

  • The IE10 Metro browser will not support plugins, the traditional desktop browser will.
  • IE10 Metro browser is a full screen, “immersive” UX with a swipe interface, navigation at the bottom of the screen, tabs at the top; this can be expected to be the same experience on Windows Phone. The interface appears to be complete.
  • IE10 has significant platform updates including 3D visual effects, page layout and local storage. Full list on MSDN.com.

Google Chrome
Chrome 14 hits stable channel and includes two significant updates:

  • Web Audio API allows for greater audio effects based on web content

  • Native Client (NaCl) -supports only Chrome Web Apps at the moment.

Swiffy Beta
With the demise of Google Labs, Google released Swiffy as a beta service. Swiffy is a tool to convert Flash videos to HTML, SVG and CSS. Firefox is not fully supported by the tool, citing bug 119490.

Safari & DigiNotar
Apple reportedly issed a fix to Safari for DigiNotar certificates on September 9th.

Mobile

Summary below, full update here and in your inbox.

  • Opera acquired Handster, a mobile app store solution
  • Google is preparing for the Ice Cream Sandwich release
  • Samsung and HTC are also concentrating on their own mobile platforms
  • Google Wallet, using NFC technology, launched
  • The first Windows Phone 7.5 updates to be rolled-out to consumers today

Marketing, Press & Public Reaction

Questions, Comments, FYI

  • Christian asked if our current mobile flash feeling was that we would leave it on

    • Current plan is to land it, have a UX review before Tuesday, and ship with it
  • Christian asked if it would be easy to see mobile Flash crashes
    • It should as the crashes will be in chrome with content in the stack
  • Christian asked if Flash on mobile will lead to a worse experience due to sites offering flash content rather than HTML5 content
    • We don’t expose that we support Flash on page load, should be a non-issue
  • Christian asked what the experimental add-on sync add-on (whew) EOL plan is
    • It should disable and uninstall itself when support hits Firefox
  • Christian talked to Thunderbird folks at the all-hands and we agreed it would be good to have them at this meeting
  • Should we have a Web Apps update in this meeting? (JP)

Actions this week

  • Sheila to come back on bug 687991 — crashes on alice.it without stack

  • Johnath to ping Todd about apps participation in this meeting
    • Sent mail
  • Johnath to ping JB about Thunderbird participation in this meeting
    • Sent mail

20-September-2011

Apps Status Meeting Minutes: 2011-09-20

Filed under: Posts — Tags: — Jesper Kristensen @ 11:00 pm

Apps/StatusMeetings/2011-09-20


Agenda

Review Q3 goals progress

https://intranet.mozilla.org/Apps#2011_Q3

Administrative

Meeting format for the future

Notes & Actions

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