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	<title>Comments on: Planet should be technical</title>
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		<title>By: what is technical?</title>
		<link>http://blog.mozilla.org/tglek/2012/03/07/planet-should-be-technical/comment-page-1/#comment-35494</link>
		<dc:creator>what is technical?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2012 14:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The fallacy is the belief that there is one degree of technical, and by extension that all developers want that one level in one blog.

Technical-vs-non-technical is not a binary choice; it&#039;s a continuum.  Any one blog will try to choose one point in that continuum.  Some readers will feel overwhelmed, and others overwhelmed by that choice.

Alternatively, Mozilla should (and does) publish a large number of blogs, each with a different technical level.   For instance, I don&#039;t care for Planet.  However, I like to read Nick Nethercote, Taras, David Mandelin&#039;s blogs.  They discuss technical issues in terms of high-level goals, provide experimental results to defend their (re-)designs, and link to the bug tracker for further details.  Great stuff for a software engineering nerd like myself. 

Planet should make it easier for readers to find the blogs which match their tech level.  The readers will subscribe to what they want to read.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fallacy is the belief that there is one degree of technical, and by extension that all developers want that one level in one blog.</p>
<p>Technical-vs-non-technical is not a binary choice; it&#8217;s a continuum.  Any one blog will try to choose one point in that continuum.  Some readers will feel overwhelmed, and others overwhelmed by that choice.</p>
<p>Alternatively, Mozilla should (and does) publish a large number of blogs, each with a different technical level.   For instance, I don&#8217;t care for Planet.  However, I like to read Nick Nethercote, Taras, David Mandelin&#8217;s blogs.  They discuss technical issues in terms of high-level goals, provide experimental results to defend their (re-)designs, and link to the bug tracker for further details.  Great stuff for a software engineering nerd like myself. </p>
<p>Planet should make it easier for readers to find the blogs which match their tech level.  The readers will subscribe to what they want to read.</p>
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		<title>By: linux_op</title>
		<link>http://blog.mozilla.org/tglek/2012/03/07/planet-should-be-technical/comment-page-1/#comment-35489</link>
		<dc:creator>linux_op</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2012 21:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thats right:

&quot;Open source is a bit too good with letting assholes get away with being assholes.&quot;

Like some of those &quot;devs&quot; that do nothing but make mockups and suggest removing the status bar and further dumbing down the user by not insisting on meaningful changes. Mozilla needs to get a committee that focuses on producing initiative ideas and reviewing features that are currently in the product and striping out the ones that are meaningless.

Like for example how about **NO** addon is installed **AT ALL** without the users excessive permission. AND I MEAN they cannot use Firefox at all until they make a decision weather to allow the addon that snook in or to not allow it to install AT ALL. And I don&#039;t mean disabled, I mean not installed at all. But no, the current settings just make it disabled if the user didn&#039;t know about it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thats right:</p>
<p>&#8220;Open source is a bit too good with letting assholes get away with being assholes.&#8221;</p>
<p>Like some of those &#8220;devs&#8221; that do nothing but make mockups and suggest removing the status bar and further dumbing down the user by not insisting on meaningful changes. Mozilla needs to get a committee that focuses on producing initiative ideas and reviewing features that are currently in the product and striping out the ones that are meaningless.</p>
<p>Like for example how about **NO** addon is installed **AT ALL** without the users excessive permission. AND I MEAN they cannot use Firefox at all until they make a decision weather to allow the addon that snook in or to not allow it to install AT ALL. And I don&#8217;t mean disabled, I mean not installed at all. But no, the current settings just make it disabled if the user didn&#8217;t know about it.</p>
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		<title>By: tglek</title>
		<link>http://blog.mozilla.org/tglek/2012/03/07/planet-should-be-technical/comment-page-1/#comment-35486</link>
		<dc:creator>tglek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2012 20:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Asa, your irc analogy is bollocks. IRC is neither a reliable source of news, nor does it force you to wade though piles of crap to get something relevant out of it. It&#039;s easy to /part or create new channels. Planet is very rigid and given the insane signal/noise ratio atm, it is actively turning people off from reading it. So in effect, by prompting planet as a platform for free speech you are destroying the usefulness of it as a platform for distributing useful information.

Regarding work.mozilla.org: Planet Mozilla has never been about work for me. I would&#039;ve read the (assuming a better signal/noise ratio) planet as a hobby even if I was employed at some deadend job. I stopped following planet kde/gnome because they are so full of noise and have lost any educational value they used to have. I got inspired to blog by planet classpath, planet lisp, (old planet kde), but the new &quot;look at picture of my dog&quot; planetary shift is destroying the inspirational utility of planets.

There are benefits to free speech and there are benefits to curating useful content...you can&#039;t combine the two on a large scale.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Asa, your irc analogy is bollocks. IRC is neither a reliable source of news, nor does it force you to wade though piles of crap to get something relevant out of it. It&#8217;s easy to /part or create new channels. Planet is very rigid and given the insane signal/noise ratio atm, it is actively turning people off from reading it. So in effect, by prompting planet as a platform for free speech you are destroying the usefulness of it as a platform for distributing useful information.</p>
<p>Regarding work.mozilla.org: Planet Mozilla has never been about work for me. I would&#8217;ve read the (assuming a better signal/noise ratio) planet as a hobby even if I was employed at some deadend job. I stopped following planet kde/gnome because they are so full of noise and have lost any educational value they used to have. I got inspired to blog by planet classpath, planet lisp, (old planet kde), but the new &#8220;look at picture of my dog&#8221; planetary shift is destroying the inspirational utility of planets.</p>
<p>There are benefits to free speech and there are benefits to curating useful content&#8230;you can&#8217;t combine the two on a large scale.</p>
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		<title>By: J. McNair</title>
		<link>http://blog.mozilla.org/tglek/2012/03/07/planet-should-be-technical/comment-page-1/#comment-35485</link>
		<dc:creator>J. McNair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2012 19:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi, Mozilla fan here. I don&#039;t know, &quot;work&quot; and &quot;noise&quot; seems too binary, at least provide a &quot;firehose&quot; option that gets you essentially everything. Also, the problem with turning planet into a dedicated technical feed would be curation. 

I say flip it on its head. Start a new blog, &quot;Mozilla Engineering&quot; that selectively promotes good technical posts from the existing planet with a slight delay.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Mozilla fan here. I don&#8217;t know, &#8220;work&#8221; and &#8220;noise&#8221; seems too binary, at least provide a &#8220;firehose&#8221; option that gets you essentially everything. Also, the problem with turning planet into a dedicated technical feed would be curation. </p>
<p>I say flip it on its head. Start a new blog, &#8220;Mozilla Engineering&#8221; that selectively promotes good technical posts from the existing planet with a slight delay.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Kaiser</title>
		<link>http://blog.mozilla.org/tglek/2012/03/07/planet-should-be-technical/comment-page-1/#comment-35484</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Kaiser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2012 13:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I find it disturbing and inappropriate that people don&#039;t post their whole blog to Planet Mozilla, and I therefore miss a lot of info about the people in this community that I would like to see.

If you want a sterile work-only aggregator, feel free to maintain a work.m.o or whatever site, as long as I don&#039;t have to subscribe to it and can read about the full spectrum of the community including the work-related but also the personal and political stuff on usual planet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it disturbing and inappropriate that people don&#8217;t post their whole blog to Planet Mozilla, and I therefore miss a lot of info about the people in this community that I would like to see.</p>
<p>If you want a sterile work-only aggregator, feel free to maintain a work.m.o or whatever site, as long as I don&#8217;t have to subscribe to it and can read about the full spectrum of the community including the work-related but also the personal and political stuff on usual planet.</p>
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		<title>By: Asa Dotzler</title>
		<link>http://blog.mozilla.org/tglek/2012/03/07/planet-should-be-technical/comment-page-1/#comment-35483</link>
		<dc:creator>Asa Dotzler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2012 07:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wladamir, it&#039;s been a very long time and my memory isn&#039;t always accurate, but I&#039;m pretty sure I removed my blog from Planet because it was added to planet without my consent and was being selectively syndicated. I made the decision that if I could not control which parts of my feed were and were not published on Planet that I had no interest in Planet syndicating any of my content. 

- A]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wladamir, it&#8217;s been a very long time and my memory isn&#8217;t always accurate, but I&#8217;m pretty sure I removed my blog from Planet because it was added to planet without my consent and was being selectively syndicated. I made the decision that if I could not control which parts of my feed were and were not published on Planet that I had no interest in Planet syndicating any of my content. </p>
<p>- A</p>
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		<title>By: Asa Dotzler</title>
		<link>http://blog.mozilla.org/tglek/2012/03/07/planet-should-be-technical/comment-page-1/#comment-35482</link>
		<dc:creator>Asa Dotzler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2012 07:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Benoit, the target audience is not different. Both Planet and IRC were built for and target the Mozilla community. And I disagree on your definition of socializing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Benoit, the target audience is not different. Both Planet and IRC were built for and target the Mozilla community. And I disagree on your definition of socializing.</p>
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		<title>By: Benoit Jacob</title>
		<link>http://blog.mozilla.org/tglek/2012/03/07/planet-should-be-technical/comment-page-1/#comment-35481</link>
		<dc:creator>Benoit Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2012 06:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Asa, the difference between IRC and Planet is too big for your example to be convincing. The expectations are different, and so is the target audience. Also, I don&#039;t think that exposing one&#039;s personal life/views on a blog counts as socializing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Asa, the difference between IRC and Planet is too big for your example to be convincing. The expectations are different, and so is the target audience. Also, I don&#8217;t think that exposing one&#8217;s personal life/views on a blog counts as socializing.</p>
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		<title>By: Wladimir Palant</title>
		<link>http://blog.mozilla.org/tglek/2012/03/07/planet-should-be-technical/comment-page-1/#comment-35480</link>
		<dc:creator>Wladimir Palant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2012 06:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Taras, I agree, the signal to noise ratio on Planet is pretty bad and getting worse. I used to read most Planet posts, now I am reading less than 5% of them. But I am not sure whether the problem can be solved by your proposal - a large part of it is Mozilla projects that I simply don&#039;t care about, posts that are completely unrelated to Mozilla are less of a problem. Mozilla is simply getting broader and people who care about all of its projects are a rare exception. I am currently filtering out 15 blogs that serve content entirely irrelevant to me and I should probably add more. So while I would love to see more people separate private and Mozilla-related content, I&#039;m not sure whether enforcing it via policy would serve a purpose.

@Nicholas: I think that Taras alludes to Asa and his cats. Asa removed his blog from Planet years ago because people complained.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Taras, I agree, the signal to noise ratio on Planet is pretty bad and getting worse. I used to read most Planet posts, now I am reading less than 5% of them. But I am not sure whether the problem can be solved by your proposal &#8211; a large part of it is Mozilla projects that I simply don&#8217;t care about, posts that are completely unrelated to Mozilla are less of a problem. Mozilla is simply getting broader and people who care about all of its projects are a rare exception. I am currently filtering out 15 blogs that serve content entirely irrelevant to me and I should probably add more. So while I would love to see more people separate private and Mozilla-related content, I&#8217;m not sure whether enforcing it via policy would serve a purpose.</p>
<p>@Nicholas: I think that Taras alludes to Asa and his cats. Asa removed his blog from Planet years ago because people complained.</p>
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		<title>By: Benoit Jacob</title>
		<link>http://blog.mozilla.org/tglek/2012/03/07/planet-should-be-technical/comment-page-1/#comment-35479</link>
		<dc:creator>Benoit Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2012 06:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Totally agree, with Gavin&#039;s correction. Let&#039;s say: Planet Mozilla should be Mozilla-focused.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally agree, with Gavin&#8217;s correction. Let&#8217;s say: Planet Mozilla should be Mozilla-focused.</p>
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