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		<title>By: Charles</title>
		<link>http://blog.mozilla.org/webdev/2009/07/02/improving-accessibility-through-aria/comment-page-1/#comment-209008</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 12:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for sharing on web, really good.
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.acumensofttech.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;php experts&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing on web, really good.<br />
<a href="http://www.acumensofttech.com" rel="nofollow">php experts</a></p>
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		<title>By: rdoherty</title>
		<link>http://blog.mozilla.org/webdev/2009/07/02/improving-accessibility-through-aria/comment-page-1/#comment-205810</link>
		<dc:creator>rdoherty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 03:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Nick: Thanks! I&#039;ve edited the post.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Nick: Thanks! I&#8217;ve edited the post.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Fitzsimons</title>
		<link>http://blog.mozilla.org/webdev/2009/07/02/improving-accessibility-through-aria/comment-page-1/#comment-205793</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Fitzsimons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 15:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good article. One quick point: the value &lt;code&gt;rude&lt;/code&gt; for the &lt;aria-live&lt;/code&gt; attribute has been removed from the current version of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria/#aria-live&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;WAI-ARIA Working Draft&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article. One quick point: the value <code>rude</code> for the &lt;aria-live attribute has been removed from the current version of the <a href="http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria/#aria-live" rel="nofollow">WAI-ARIA Working Draft</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: nemo</title>
		<link>http://blog.mozilla.org/webdev/2009/07/02/improving-accessibility-through-aria/comment-page-1/#comment-205763</link>
		<dc:creator>nemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 20:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[...
I see this site strips tags instead of escaping them.  Annoying. :)
&quot;Why not add your error text to the ? &quot;
Should read
&quot;Why not add your error text to the [label]?&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;<br />
I see this site strips tags instead of escaping them.  Annoying. <img src='http://blog.mozilla.org/webdev/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
&#8220;Why not add your error text to the ? &#8221;<br />
Should read<br />
&#8220;Why not add your error text to the [label]?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: nemo</title>
		<link>http://blog.mozilla.org/webdev/2009/07/02/improving-accessibility-through-aria/comment-page-1/#comment-205762</link>
		<dc:creator>nemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 20:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Required/invalid looks neat, but I&#039;m a little dubious as to its usefulness.  It seems there&#039;s already a way to associate text with an input.  Why not add your error text to the  ?  If you&#039;re doing an accessible site you&#039;ll have those anyway, and often times functions of fields can be inferred from initial label text - several JS validators use the label text to determine required/phone/name etc.

That way, if the screen reader is reading out the form after submission, surely they&#039;ll get almost the same correlation as a sighted person?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Required/invalid looks neat, but I&#8217;m a little dubious as to its usefulness.  It seems there&#8217;s already a way to associate text with an input.  Why not add your error text to the  ?  If you&#8217;re doing an accessible site you&#8217;ll have those anyway, and often times functions of fields can be inferred from initial label text &#8211; several JS validators use the label text to determine required/phone/name etc.</p>
<p>That way, if the screen reader is reading out the form after submission, surely they&#8217;ll get almost the same correlation as a sighted person?</p>
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		<title>By: rdoherty</title>
		<link>http://blog.mozilla.org/webdev/2009/07/02/improving-accessibility-through-aria/comment-page-1/#comment-205752</link>
		<dc:creator>rdoherty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 05:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Aaron:

Thanks for noticing my role=&quot;nav&quot; typo, I&#039;ve fixed it :)

And I guess my research of browsers that support ARIA is old :(]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Aaron:</p>
<p>Thanks for noticing my role=&#8221;nav&#8221; typo, I&#8217;ve fixed it <img src='http://blog.mozilla.org/webdev/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>And I guess my research of browsers that support ARIA is old <img src='http://blog.mozilla.org/webdev/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: rdoherty</title>
		<link>http://blog.mozilla.org/webdev/2009/07/02/improving-accessibility-through-aria/comment-page-1/#comment-205751</link>
		<dc:creator>rdoherty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 04:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Jeff:

So far a few screen readers support much of ARIA, making it much more accessible than HTML5.

IE8 and Firefox &gt;= 3 support ARIA. 

If you *really* need that green favicon, there is a HTML validator with ARIA support here: http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/?p=108]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jeff:</p>
<p>So far a few screen readers support much of ARIA, making it much more accessible than HTML5.</p>
<p>IE8 and Firefox &gt;= 3 support ARIA. </p>
<p>If you *really* need that green favicon, there is a HTML validator with ARIA support here: <a href="http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/?p=108" rel="nofollow">http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/?p=108</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ruben Rojas</title>
		<link>http://blog.mozilla.org/webdev/2009/07/02/improving-accessibility-through-aria/comment-page-1/#comment-205741</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruben Rojas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 12:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Are these attributes supported by all the browsers? it is this HTML or (X)HTML?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are these attributes supported by all the browsers? it is this HTML or (X)HTML?</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Leventhal</title>
		<link>http://blog.mozilla.org/webdev/2009/07/02/improving-accessibility-through-aria/comment-page-1/#comment-205728</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Leventhal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 19:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jeff, I forgot to answer which browsers support ARIA. Firefox has supported it since version 2. IE 8 also supports it, and Safari 4 has added some support. Opera is working on it.

ARIA doesn&#039;t affect your web content&#039;s rendering for mainstream users. You can use ARIA without worrying that it will change how older browsers render your content.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, I forgot to answer which browsers support ARIA. Firefox has supported it since version 2. IE 8 also supports it, and Safari 4 has added some support. Opera is working on it.</p>
<p>ARIA doesn&#8217;t affect your web content&#8217;s rendering for mainstream users. You can use ARIA without worrying that it will change how older browsers render your content.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Leventhal</title>
		<link>http://blog.mozilla.org/webdev/2009/07/02/improving-accessibility-through-aria/comment-page-1/#comment-205727</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Leventhal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 19:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Jeff, HTML 5 does not solve all the accessibility problems that ARIA solves. For example, there is no live region markup, and you also need ARIA whenever you develop custom widgets. The closest thing HTML 5 has to any of the ARIA features is the landmarks. But, even that doesn&#039;t work with screen readers yet.

In summary ARIA not only solves a lot more a11y problems that HTML 5, it already works in shipping browsers and assistive technologies today.

Great article -- quick correction to it: the into mentions role=&quot;nav&quot;, but it should say role=&quot;navigation&quot; (the example later on has the correct version).

People may be interested in http://codetalks.org. It&#039;s not a well-known site, We were hoping that more ARIA resources would point toward it. A number of us have worked hard on putting together a lot of test cases and resources. More contributions welcome :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jeff, HTML 5 does not solve all the accessibility problems that ARIA solves. For example, there is no live region markup, and you also need ARIA whenever you develop custom widgets. The closest thing HTML 5 has to any of the ARIA features is the landmarks. But, even that doesn&#8217;t work with screen readers yet.</p>
<p>In summary ARIA not only solves a lot more a11y problems that HTML 5, it already works in shipping browsers and assistive technologies today.</p>
<p>Great article &#8212; quick correction to it: the into mentions role=&#8221;nav&#8221;, but it should say role=&#8221;navigation&#8221; (the example later on has the correct version).</p>
<p>People may be interested in <a href="http://codetalks.org" rel="nofollow">http://codetalks.org</a>. It&#8217;s not a well-known site, We were hoping that more ARIA resources would point toward it. A number of us have worked hard on putting together a lot of test cases and resources. More contributions welcome <img src='http://blog.mozilla.org/webdev/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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