{"id":2287,"date":"2015-11-18T00:00:05","date_gmt":"2015-11-18T04:00:05","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/blog.mozilla.org\/meeting-notes\/?p=2287"},"modified":"2015-11-18T00:00:05","modified_gmt":"2015-11-18T04:00:05","slug":"thunderbird-2015-11-17","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blog.mozilla.org\/meeting-notes\/archives\/2287","title":{"rendered":"Thunderbird: 2015-11-17"},"content":{"rendered":"<div>\n<div class=\"mw-content-ltr\" dir=\"ltr\" id=\"mw-content-text\" lang=\"en\">\n<p>Thunderbird notes 2015-11-17. NOON PT (Pacific).  For meeting time, previous notes and call-in details see <a class=\"external free\" href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Thunderbird\/StatusMeetings\" rel=\"nofollow\">https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Thunderbird\/StatusMeetings<\/a>  <\/p>\n<h3 class=\"mw-headline\" id=\"Attendees\">Attendees<\/h3>\n<ul>\n<li> jorgk, Pegasus, ba, wsmwk, mkmelin,MakeMyDay, rkent\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h3 class=\"mw-headline\" id=\"FOCUS_OF_MEETING\">FOCUS OF MEETING<\/h3>\n<p>(to be covered in sections below)\n<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li> version 45\n<\/li>\n<li> governance, futures\n<\/li>\n<li> builds\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h3 class=\"mw-headline\" id=\"Action_items_from_last_meetings\">Action items from last meetings<\/h3>\n<ul>\n<li> Thunderbird Council reorganization: we&#8217;ll discuss this in the Council directly and do some reorganization. This is not a forever governance plan, but we need to be practical given the many demands of the moment.\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h3 class=\"mw-headline\" id=\"Current_status_.2F_Announcements\">Current status \/ Announcements<\/h3>\n<ul>\n<li> Etherpads have moved: see list of etherpad names at  <a class=\"external free\" href=\"https:\/\/public.etherpad-mozilla.org\/p\/thunderbird\" rel=\"nofollow\">https:\/\/public.etherpad-mozilla.org\/p\/thunderbird<\/a> and  <a class=\"external free\" href=\"https:\/\/public.etherpad-mozilla.org\/p\/calendar\" rel=\"nofollow\">https:\/\/public.etherpad-mozilla.org\/p\/calendar<\/a>\n<\/li>\n<li> <a class=\"external free\" href=\"https:\/\/public.etherpad-mozilla.org\/p\/thunderbird38-support-issues\" rel=\"nofollow\">https:\/\/public.etherpad-mozilla.org\/p\/thunderbird38-support-issues<\/a> for version 38 ESR issues\n<\/li>\n<li> Tree status issues: <a class=\"external free\" href=\"https:\/\/public.etherpad-mozilla.org\/p\/thunderbird-tree-status\" rel=\"nofollow\">https:\/\/public.etherpad-mozilla.org\/p\/thunderbird-tree-status<\/a>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li> Need to release 38.4 and 43.0b1\n<ul>\n<li> Please help green up the tree &#8211; including not only c-c but also esr38, beta, and aurora\n<ul>\n<li> We must be aggressive so checkins when patches become available.  Thoughts: if you file a bug, please consider fixing it, or pass it off to someone rather than rely on &#8220;the fates&#8221;.  If it breaks build or tests, please make severity=blocker\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li> Thunderbird 45: string freeze per schedule, interface freeze later (that&#8217;s me demanding a concession like last year).\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h3 class=\"mw-headline\" id=\"Critical_Issues\">Critical Issues<\/h3>\n<p>Leave critical bugs here until confirmed fixed. If confirmed, then remove.\n<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li> tracking-tb38 flags\n<ul>\n<li> approved(+)+unfixed in ESR: <a class=\"external free\" href=\"http:\/\/mzl.la\/1LDrkxP\" rel=\"nofollow\">http:\/\/mzl.la\/1LDrkxP<\/a>\n<\/li>\n<li> nominated(?): <a class=\"external free\" href=\"http:\/\/tinyurl.com\/pgwflyg\" rel=\"nofollow\">http:\/\/tinyurl.com\/pgwflyg<\/a>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li> tracking-tb45 flags: unfixed\u00a0?\/+ &#8211; <a class=\"external free\" href=\"http:\/\/mzl.la\/1PMzNiK\" rel=\"nofollow\">http:\/\/mzl.la\/1PMzNiK<\/a>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>blocking\n<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li> 38.3.1 <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/bugzilla.mozilla.org\/show_bug.cgi?id=1211160\" rel=\"nofollow\">bug 1211160<\/a> calendar 4.0.3.1 is a workaround for 38.3.0 \u2014 Thunderbird Version 38.3 Buttons not working menu items \/\/ <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/bugzilla.mozilla.org\/show_bug.cgi?id=1211291\" rel=\"nofollow\">bug 1211291<\/a> &#8211; Folders are visible, but messages are not. (?related to <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/bugzilla.mozilla.org\/show_bug.cgi?id=1211358\" rel=\"nofollow\">bug 1211358<\/a>  lightning chrome.manifest not updated in 38.3.0\u00a0?)\n<\/li>\n<li> nightly (3 bugs blocking builds, all are assigned) &#8211; <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/bugzilla.mozilla.org\/show_bug.cgi?id=1195442\" rel=\"nofollow\">bug 1195442<\/a> &#8211; Mac builds broken ~1 month on nightly\n<\/li>\n<li> rkent is working on it &#8211; <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/bugzilla.mozilla.org\/show_bug.cgi?id=1183490\" rel=\"nofollow\">bug 1183490<\/a> &#8211; (dataloss) New emails do not adhere to sort by order received\n<ul>\n<li> Plan is to understand issues in converting completely to nextKey = ++lastKey for non-IMAP, then plan how much to implement for 38.3.0  A simple fix of the dataloss is probable. I have a try patch that does the nextKey = ++lastKey that works, now I need to think about patch for 38 (bug 1202105 needs to go to trunk and 38)\n<\/li>\n<li> update 2015-10-20, patches have been posted but waiting for reviews for 2 weeks (aceman will look at those)\n<\/li>\n<li> update 2015-11-17, review done 11-14, need to update and land.\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>important (but not top critical)\n<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li> status TBD &#8211; <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/bugzilla.mozilla.org\/show_bug.cgi?id=1182629\" rel=\"nofollow\">bug 1182629<\/a> &#8211; update to 38.1.0 from 38.0.1 re-enables disabled Lightning\n<\/li>\n<li> status TBD &#8211; <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/bugzilla.mozilla.org\/show_bug.cgi?id=1176399\" rel=\"nofollow\">bug 1176399<\/a> &#8211; Multiple master password when GMail OAuth2 is enabled\n<\/li>\n<li> status TBD &#8211; <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/bugzilla.mozilla.org\/show_bug.cgi?id=1176748\" rel=\"nofollow\">bug 1176748<\/a> &#8211; fix main thread proxies to the migration code (jorgk and m_kato have done such fixes in the past)\n<\/li>\n<li> filelink, proxy,\n<\/li>\n<li> topcrash <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/bugzilla.mozilla.org\/show_bug.cgi?id=1149287\" rel=\"nofollow\">bug 1149287<\/a> is ** 31% of our crashes** &#8211; see below\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h3 class=\"mw-headline\" id=\"Releases\">Releases<\/h3>\n<ul>\n<li> Past\n<ul>\n<li> 38.0.1 nominally shipped 2015-06-12, 38.1.0 shipped 2015-07-10, 31.8.0 shipped 2015-07-17, 40.0beta shipped 2015-07-27 (skipping 39.0b), 38.2.0 shipped 2015-08-14, 41.0b1 2015-09-08 build2 (missed ~2015-08-10)\n<\/li>\n<li> 41.0b2  (with uplifts for 38.3.0)\n<\/li>\n<li> 38.3.0 ~2015-09-25 (throttled on 2015-10-06)\n<\/li>\n<li> 42.0b2 2015-10-13 (42.0b1 abandoned)\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li> Upcoming\n<ul>\n<li> <a class=\"external free\" href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/RapidRelease\/Calendar#Future_branch_dates\" rel=\"nofollow\">https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/RapidRelease\/Calendar#Future_branch_dates<\/a>\n<\/li>\n<li> 42.0b3? ~2015-09-23  not happening\n<\/li>\n<li> 38.4.0 ~2015-11-05  Still in progress\n<\/li>\n<li> 43.0b1  not yet started\n<\/li>\n<li> STRING FREEZE for version 45 in &lt;4 weeks\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h3 class=\"mw-headline\" id=\"Lightning\">Lightning<\/h3>\n<p>Past releases:\n<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li> 4.0.1.2 &#8211; <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/bugzilla.mozilla.org\/show_bug.cgi?id=1182264\" rel=\"nofollow\">bug 1182264<\/a>, 4.0.2.1 &#8211; <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/bugzilla.mozilla.org\/show_bug.cgi?id=1194997\" rel=\"nofollow\">bug 1194997<\/a>\n<\/li>\n<li> 4.0.3, 4.0.3.1 (no changes compared to 4.0.2.1)\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Upcoming  releases:\n<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li> 4.0.4 &#8211; <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/bugzilla.mozilla.org\/show_bug.cgi?id=1215969\" rel=\"nofollow\">bug 1215969<\/a>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h3 class=\"mw-headline\" id=\"Round_Table\">Round Table<\/h3>\n<h4 class=\"mw-headline\" id=\"Jorg_K\">Jorg K<\/h4>\n<ul>\n<li> <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/bugzilla.mozilla.org\/show_bug.cgi?id=1174452\" rel=\"nofollow\">bug 1174452<\/a> &#8211; M-C editor problem, copy\/paste &#8211; &#8220;white-space: pre;&#8221; &#8211; patch preposed in <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/bugzilla.mozilla.org\/show_bug.cgi?id=1214377\" rel=\"nofollow\">bug 1214377 <\/a>; landed and sadly got reopened, awaiting review again.\n<\/li>\n<li> <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/bugzilla.mozilla.org\/show_bug.cgi?id=586587\" rel=\"nofollow\">bug 586587<\/a>  &#8211; M-C drag and drop onto editor window &#8211; awaiting review.\n<\/li>\n<li> <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/bugzilla.mozilla.org\/show_bug.cgi?id=769604\" rel=\"nofollow\">bug 769604<\/a>  &#8211; C-C font size toolbar button and change increase\/decrease size function &#8211; awaiting review.\n<\/li>\n<li> <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/bugzilla.mozilla.org\/show_bug.cgi?id=1219928\" rel=\"nofollow\">bug 1219928<\/a> &#8211; M-C spell checker problem &#8211; awaiting review.\n<\/li>\n<li> Started looking as CJK problems in flowed plaintext messages: <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/bugzilla.mozilla.org\/show_bug.cgi?id=26734\" rel=\"nofollow\">bug 26734<\/a>, <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/bugzilla.mozilla.org\/show_bug.cgi?id=653342\" rel=\"nofollow\">bug 653342<\/a>.\n<\/li>\n<li> Got hit by <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/bugzilla.mozilla.org\/show_bug.cgi?id=1224840\" rel=\"nofollow\">bug 1224840<\/a> &#8211; Assertion failure: IsOuterWindow(), fixed one occurrence.\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h4 class=\"mw-headline\" id=\"rkent\">rkent<\/h4>\n<ul>\n<li> Thunderbird&#8217;s future plans\n<ul>\n<li> Pending letter from Mitchell on Thunderbird and MoCo\n<\/li>\n<li> Big issues for Thunderbird future: 1) cost of transition 2) sources of income\n<ul>\n<li> 1) Volker Birk &amp; another senior architect will work with you to estimate the cost of transition in man days and $ as they have lots of experince in setting up and migrating complex systems.\n<\/li>\n<li> 2) We have been talking to DigitalCourage about setting up a donation based system and we as the p\u2261p Foundation will fund Thunderbird until the donation levels are sufficient for a sustained future.\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li> Even bigger issues for the future: articulating a vision, collecting partners: p\u2261p, Postbox, Chinese fork, Gaia email, TDF\/Collabora, MoFo,\u00a0???\n<ul>\n<li> We see these points as elements that need to be worked out in the six months&#8217; period that we have agreed with MoFo. As for collecting partners, we consider this as an outcome of the Business Strategy that will be defined in the next 6 months. We, the p\u2261p Foundation will start discussions with TDF. In my opinion, &#8216;Collecting Partners&#8217;could require quite large time committment and it should hence be very well planned.\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li> Status of MoFo-Thunderbird and Thunderbird-p\u2261p discussions\n<ul>\n<li> p\u2261p Foundation is waiting for MoFo to come back with final comments. In the meantime, I&#8217;ll be wait for Kent&#8217;s input to align\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li> My concern for developing capacity of Thunderbird to be self-managed and focused.\n<\/li>\n<li> Planning a Europe meetup in January, focused on a business plan for January &#8211; June 2016\n<ul>\n<li> We are happy to set it up here in Europe.\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h3 class=\"mw-headline\" id=\"Question_Time\">Question Time<\/h3>\n<ul>\n<li> new account provisioner: Are there currently any providers other than Gandi? Would it be worth trying to find some more?\n<\/li>\n<li> We need a plan for the build system fairly urgently, given the apparent &#8220;no&#8221; to the c-c\/m-c merge\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h3 class=\"mw-headline\" id=\"Help_Wanted\">Help Wanted<\/h3>\n<ul>\n<li> Support lead\n<ul>\n<li> Revise lightning articles on SUMO: <a class=\"external free\" href=\"https:\/\/support.mozilla.org\/en-US\/search\/advanced?q=lightning&amp;language=en-US&amp;category=10&amp;category=20&amp;product=thunderbird&amp;sortby_documents=relevance&amp;a=1&amp;w=1\" rel=\"nofollow\">https:\/\/support.mozilla.org\/en-US\/search\/advanced?q=lightning&amp;language=en-US&amp;category=10&amp;category=20&amp;product=thunderbird&amp;sortby_documents=relevance&amp;a=1&amp;w=1<\/a>  &#8211; to query articles that needs change: <a class=\"external free\" href=\"https:\/\/support.mozilla.org\/en-US\/contributors\/kb-overview?product=thunderbird\" rel=\"nofollow\">https:\/\/support.mozilla.org\/en-US\/contributors\/kb-overview?product=thunderbird<\/a>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li> Accessibility lead\n<\/li>\n<li> persons comfortable (not necessarily technical experts) with Core type issues. Example  graphics to guide <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/bugzilla.mozilla.org\/show_bug.cgi?id=1195947\" rel=\"nofollow\">bug 1195947<\/a> Thunderbird hardware acceleration (HWA) issues to be resolved\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"printfooter\">\n\t\t\t\tRetrieved from &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/index.php?title=Thunderbird\/StatusMeetings\/2015-11-17&amp;oldid=1106129\">https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/index.php?title=Thunderbird\/StatusMeetings\/2015-11-17&amp;oldid=1106129<\/a>&#8221;\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n<\/p><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Thunderbird notes 2015-11-17. NOON PT (Pacific). 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