{"id":344,"date":"2010-07-28T23:00:05","date_gmt":"2010-07-29T03:00:05","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.mozilla.org\/meeting-notes\/archives\/344"},"modified":"2010-07-28T23:00:05","modified_gmt":"2010-07-29T03:00:05","slug":"firefoxgecko-delivery-meeting-minutes-2010-07-28","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blog.mozilla.org\/meeting-notes\/archives\/344","title":{"rendered":"Firefox\/Gecko Delivery Meeting Minutes: 2010-07-28"},"content":{"rendered":"<div>\n<h1>Firefox\/Planning\/2010-07-28<\/h1>\n<h3 id=\"siteSub\">From MozillaWiki<\/h3>\n<div id=\"contentSub\"><span class=\"subpages\">&lt; <a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Firefox\" title=\"Firefox\">Firefox<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Firefox\/Planning\" title=\"Firefox\/Planning\">Planning<\/a><\/span><\/div>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Firefox\/Planning\/2010-07-21\" title=\"Firefox\/Planning\/2010-07-21\">\u00ab previous week<\/a> | <a class=\"mw-redirect\" href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Firefox\/DeliveryMeetings\" title=\"Firefox\/DeliveryMeetings\">index<\/a> | <a class=\"new\" href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/index.php?title=Firefox\/Planning\/2010-08-04&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1\" title=\"Firefox\/Planning\/2010-08-04 (page does not exist)\">next week \u00bb<\/a><\/p>\n<p><b>Firefox\/Gecko Delivery Meeting Details<\/b>\n<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li> Wednesdays &#8211; 11:00am Pacific, 2:00pm Eastern, 18:00 UTC\n<li> Mountain View Offices: Warp Core Conference Room\n<li> Toronto Offices: Fin du Monde Conference Room\n<li> 650-903-0800 or 650-215-1282 x92 Conf# 8605 (US\/INTL)\n<li> 1-800-707-2533 (pin 369) Conf# 8605 (US)\n<li> <a class=\"external text\" href=\"irc:\/\/irc.mozilla.org\/planning\" rel=\"nofollow\" title=\"irc:\/\/irc.mozilla.org\/planning\">irc.mozilla.org #planning<\/a> for backchannel\n<li> (the <a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Platform#Meetings\" title=\"Platform\">developer meeting<\/a> takes place on Tuesdays)\n<\/ul>\n<div style=\"margin: 1em 0px;padding: 1em;background-color: orange;text-align: center\"><b>REMEMBER<\/b><\/p>\n<div style=\"font-size: x-small\">These notes are read by people who weren&#8217;t able to attend the meeting. Please make sure to include links and context so they can be understood.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><a id=\"Agenda\" name=\"Agenda\"><\/a><\/p>\n<h1> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> <b><big>Agenda<\/big><\/b> <\/span><\/h1>\n<ul>\n<li> actions from last week:\n<li> schedule and progress on upcoming releases\n<li> review highlights and notices\n<li> respond to questions and concerns\n<\/ul>\n<p><b>Action Items<\/b>\n<\/p>\n<p><a id=\"Schedule_.26_Progress_on_Upcoming_Releases\" name=\"Schedule_.26_Progress_on_Upcoming_Releases\"><\/a><\/p>\n<h2> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Schedule &amp; Progress on <a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Releases\" title=\"Releases\">Upcoming Releases<\/a> <\/span><\/h2>\n<p><a id=\"Firefox_3.5.12_.2F_Firefox_3.6.9\" name=\"Firefox_3.5.12_.2F_Firefox_3.6.9\"><\/a><\/p>\n<h3> <span class=\"mw-headline\"><a class=\"new\" href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/index.php?title=Releases\/Firefox_3.5.12&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1\" title=\"Releases\/Firefox 3.5.12 (page does not exist)\">Firefox 3.5.12<\/a> \/ <a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Releases\/Firefox_3.6.9\" title=\"Releases\/Firefox 3.6.9\">Firefox 3.6.9<\/a><\/span><\/h3>\n<ul>\n<li> schedule posted\n<li> should also include new locales\n<\/ul>\n<p><a id=\"Firefox_4.0_Beta_3\" name=\"Firefox_4.0_Beta_3\"><\/a><\/p>\n<h3> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> <a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Releases\/Firefox_4.0b3\" title=\"Releases\/Firefox 4.0b3\">Firefox 4.0 Beta 3<\/a> <\/span><\/h3>\n<ul>\n<li> code freeze on Monday\n<li> scheduled release next Friday, August 6th\n<li> major features\n<ul>\n<li> new JS values &#8211; could affect add-ons that use JSAPI\n<li> OSX uses UNIX filesystem code instead of OSX filesystem code\n<li> SQLite 3.7.0\n<li> Sync UI built in\n<li> <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/bugzilla.mozilla.org\/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=blocking2.0:beta3\" rel=\"nofollow\" title=\"https:\/\/bugzilla.mozilla.org\/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=blocking2.0:beta3\">plus these blockers<\/a>\n<li> <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/bugzilla.mozilla.org\/buglist.cgi?resolution=FIXED,VERIFIED&amp;chfieldfrom=2010-07-20%2015%3A00&amp;chfield=resolution&amp;query_format=advanced&amp;chfieldto=Now&amp;product=Core&amp;product=Firefox&amp;product=NSPR&amp;product=NSS&amp;product=Toolkit\" rel=\"nofollow\" title=\"https:\/\/bugzilla.mozilla.org\/buglist.cgi?resolution=FIXED,VERIFIED&amp;chfieldfrom=2010-07-20%2015%3A00&amp;chfield=resolution&amp;query_format=advanced&amp;chfieldto=Now&amp;product=Core&amp;product=Firefox&amp;product=NSPR&amp;product=NSS&amp;product=Toolkit\">complete changelist here<\/a>\n<\/ul>\n<\/ul>\n<p><a id=\"Jetpack_SDK_0.6\" name=\"Jetpack_SDK_0.6\"><\/a><\/p>\n<h3> <span class=\"mw-headline\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Labs\/Jetpack\/SDK\/0.6\" title=\"Labs\/Jetpack\/SDK\/0.6\">Jetpack SDK 0.6<\/a><\/span><\/h3>\n<ul>\n<li> pushed back a day due to respin to take half dozen low-risk fixes\n<li> scheduled for today, Wednesday, July 28\n<li> <a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Labs\/Jetpack\/Release_Notes\/0.6\" title=\"Labs\/Jetpack\/Release Notes\/0.6\">release notes<\/a>\n<\/ul>\n<p><a id=\"Add-on_Builder.next\" name=\"Add-on_Builder.next\"><\/a><\/p>\n<h3> <span class=\"mw-headline\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Labs\/Jetpack\/FlightDeck\/1.0a3\" title=\"Labs\/Jetpack\/FlightDeck\/1.0a3\">Add-on Builder.next<\/a><\/span><\/h3>\n<ul>\n<li> staging this week\n<li> tentative release date next Tuesday, August 3\n<li> two follow-on releases in August, scheduled at two week intervals\n<ul>\n<li> <a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Labs\/Jetpack\/FlightDeck\/1.0a4\" title=\"Labs\/Jetpack\/FlightDeck\/1.0a4\">1.0a4<\/a> (mid-August)\n<li> <a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Labs\/Jetpack\/FlightDeck\/1.0a5\" title=\"Labs\/Jetpack\/FlightDeck\/1.0a5\">1.0a5<\/a> (end August)\n<\/ul>\n<li> after that: AMO integration!\n<\/ul>\n<p><a id=\"Fx_Input\" name=\"Fx_Input\"><\/a><\/p>\n<h3> <span class=\"mw-headline\">Fx Input<\/span><\/h3>\n<p><b><a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Firefox\/Input\/Releases\/1.6\" title=\"Firefox\/Input\/Releases\/1.6\">Input 1.6<\/a><\/b>\n<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li> Going live tonight at 1am\n<li> New Features: Mobile Pages, Clusters, URL submission on happy forms, some wording changes,\n<\/ul>\n<p><b><a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Firefox\/Input\/Releases\/1.6.1\" title=\"Firefox\/Input\/Releases\/1.6.1\">Input 1.6.1<\/a><\/b>\n<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li> Scheduled to go live next Wednesday, 8\/4\n<li> New Features: Sites, Searching only with messages with URLs\n<li> Bug fixes we couldn&#8217;t get to in 1.6\n<\/ul>\n<p><b><a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Firefox\/Input\/Releases\/1.7\" title=\"Firefox\/Input\/Releases\/1.7\">Input 1.7<\/a><\/b>\n<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li> <a class=\"external text\" href=\"http:\/\/people.mozilla.com\/~chowse\/drop\/mozilla.com\/input\/v2\/\" rel=\"nofollow\" title=\"http:\/\/people.mozilla.com\/~chowse\/drop\/mozilla.com\/input\/v2\/\">UX Overhaul<\/a>\n<\/ul>\n<p><a id=\"Test_Pilot_studies\" name=\"Test_Pilot_studies\"><\/a><\/p>\n<h3> <span class=\"mw-headline\">Test Pilot studies<\/span><\/h3>\n<ul>\n<li> User background survey\n<li> User Perception Survey [July 22-29]\n<li> Firefox 4 Beta Interface Study [July 22-29]\n<li> Search Study [August 5-12]\n<\/ul>\n<p><a id=\"Highlights_.2F_Notices\" name=\"Highlights_.2F_Notices\"><\/a><\/p>\n<h2> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Highlights \/ Notices <\/span><\/h2>\n<p><i>Notes or issues that don&#8217;t correspond to a particular release you&#8217;d like people to know about.<\/i>\n<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li> Renaming Personas to Backgrounds is being discussed &#8211; rdoherty\n<ul>\n<li> A\/B test showed 15% higher engagement on Firstrun page for &#8216;Backgrounds&#8217;\n<li> Moves Personas from brand to feature, in line with the majority of Firefox features\n<li> Easier translation for locales\n<li> No changes to 3.6, string change for Firefox 4\n<li> <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/images\/7\/7d\/Differently_proportioned_backgrounds_and_themes.png\" rel=\"nofollow\" title=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/images\/7\/7d\/Differently_proportioned_backgrounds_and_themes.png\">Add-ons manager mockup<\/a>\n<\/ul>\n<li> Feedback from Beta channels\n<ul>\n<li> 24,000 Response Test Pilot Survey &#8211; User Perception on the current FX browser\n<ul>\n<li> Aim: to understand user perception on FX in general over time.\n<ul>\n<li> Findings may not only aim to inform the design, but alsoSUMO.\n<li> We will also follow up a similar survey in a month to understand the change of user perception.\n<\/ul>\n<li> <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/images\/b\/b5\/How_You_Like_Your_Browser_Survey.pdf\" rel=\"nofollow\" title=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/images\/b\/b5\/How_You_Like_Your_Browser_Survey.pdf\">Survey Results<\/a>\n<li> Results Highlights:\n<ul>\n<li> 74% launch their browsers multiple times a day\n<li> Majority of users like the new UI &#8211; gave 7,8,9 (out of 9)\n<li> People liked (see slides 9-12): the new tab-on-top UI; having more screen real estate; anything involving heavy JavaScript works better now.\n<li> People didn&#8217;t like (see slides 13-16): hard to start private browsing and check out downloads due to the new menu design; easy to add a bookmark but hard to find bookmarks (no bookmarks bar by default); opening lots of tabs in Win 7 from the task bar\n<\/ul>\n<\/ul>\n<li> Top Feedback across channels\n<ul>\n<li> Problems downloading attachments from Hotmail [<a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/bugzilla.mozilla.org\/show_bug.cgi?id=581502\" rel=\"nofollow\" title=\"https:\/\/bugzilla.mozilla.org\/show_bug.cgi?id=581502\">bug 581502<\/a>]\n<li> Issues around SVG text properties [bugs filed]\n<li> Hootsuite doesn&#8217;t work with our HTML 5 Parser [<a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/bugzilla.mozilla.org\/show_bug.cgi?id=581949\" rel=\"nofollow\" title=\"https:\/\/bugzilla.mozilla.org\/show_bug.cgi?id=581949\">bug 581949<\/a>]\n<li> Can&#8217;t close\/minimize [known <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/bugzilla.mozilla.org\/show_bug.cgi?id=574833\" rel=\"nofollow\" title=\"https:\/\/bugzilla.mozilla.org\/show_bug.cgi?id=574833\">bug 574833<\/a>, also confirmed by TP discussion groups]\n<li> Don&#8217;t get pretty theme with Windows 7\/Vista w\/o aeroglassi.e., default basic theme then get XP UI [cww will test bug and file appropriately &#8212; Seems to be deliberate?]\n<li> App Tabs go away after restart [bug filed, Facebook]\n<\/ul>\n<\/ul>\n<li> Firefox 3.6.8 support issues:\n<ul>\n<li>We&#8217;re seeing even more cases of Flash video not working or crashing (20+). A number of these appear to be <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/bugzilla.mozilla.org\/show_bug.cgi?id=575326\" rel=\"nofollow\" title=\"https:\/\/bugzilla.mozilla.org\/show_bug.cgi?id=575326\">bug 575326<\/a> which is Nvidia drivers incompatible with Flash 10.1 with hardware acceleration.\n<li>We&#8217;re also seeing another increase (~15-20) in number of users with missing toolbars which is <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/bugzilla.mozilla.org\/show_bug.cgi?id=547891\" rel=\"nofollow\" title=\"https:\/\/bugzilla.mozilla.org\/show_bug.cgi?id=547891\">bug 547891<\/a>\n<li>Lastly, with two updates in the past week, we&#8217;re seeing more of the usual update breakages or problems on other sites being attributed to updates\u00a0: McAfee blocking Firefox ( <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/bugzilla.mozilla.org\/show_bug.cgi?id=582360\" rel=\"nofollow\" title=\"https:\/\/bugzilla.mozilla.org\/show_bug.cgi?id=582360\">bug 582360<\/a> ), Zynga&#8217;s Poker Facebook game not working, other Facebook issues (see <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/bugzilla.mozilla.org\/show_bug.cgi?id=581123\" rel=\"nofollow\" title=\"https:\/\/bugzilla.mozilla.org\/show_bug.cgi?id=581123\">bug 581123<\/a>, since resolved) .\n<\/ul>\n<li> <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/File:Metrics_Input_Report_Beta_4.1.pdf\" rel=\"nofollow\" title=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/File:Metrics_Input_Report_Beta_4.1.pdf\">Clustered site comments around Firefox 4 Beta 1<\/a> via Input\n<\/ul>\n<p><a id=\"Questions_and_Concerns\" name=\"Questions_and_Concerns\"><\/a><\/p>\n<h2> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Questions and Concerns <\/span><\/h2>\n<p><i>Please add any questions or concerns you would like discussed at today&#8217;s meeting.<\/i>\n<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li> Any update on branching 2.0? Looking for invariants in the en-US branch plan, to get more data points on what&#8217;s the least laborious and risky path for l10n, for which we&#8217;ll need to end up with &#8220;all your local repos have set upstream urls for the life time of 4.0&#8221;. (Axel)\n<ul>\n<li> so far we&#8217;re tracking to this <a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Firefox\/4\/Beta#Milestones\" title=\"Firefox\/4\/Beta\">schedule of milstones<\/a>\n<li> plan is to branch in time for b5 (early September)\n<\/ul>\n<li> Did we start to compare actual beta audience with the anticipated beta audience? (Axel)\n<ul>\n<li> we don&#8217;t think that we&#8217;re hitting enough mainstream (mayumi)\n<li> plan is to extend outreach to consumer audience starting with beta 3 and onwards as UI solidifies\n<\/ul>\n<li> How are we doing outbound communication on removal of UI language on UA string &#8211; <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/bugzilla.mozilla.org\/show_bug.cgi?id=572656\" rel=\"nofollow\" title=\"https:\/\/bugzilla.mozilla.org\/show_bug.cgi?id=572656\">bug 572656<\/a> (aakashd)\n<ul>\n<li> feels like something we should have talked about more broadly (beltzner)\n<li> <b>beltzner<\/b> to follow-up with engagement\n<\/ul>\n<\/ul>\n<p><a id=\"Press_.26_Public_Reactions\" name=\"Press_.26_Public_Reactions\"><\/a><\/p>\n<h2> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Press &amp; Public Reactions <\/span><\/h2>\n<ul>\n<li><a class=\"external text\" href=\"http:\/\/www.pcpro.co.uk\/news\/359839\/new-firefox-4-beta-debuts-app-tabs\" rel=\"nofollow\" title=\"http:\/\/www.pcpro.co.uk\/news\/359839\/new-firefox-4-beta-debuts-app-tabs\">New Firefox 4 beta debuts &#8220;App Tabs&#8221;<\/a>\n<li><a class=\"external text\" href=\"http:\/\/arstechnica.com\/open-source\/news\/2010\/07\/firefox-4-beta-2-adds-css3-transitions-and-tab-pinning.ars\" rel=\"nofollow\" title=\"http:\/\/arstechnica.com\/open-source\/news\/2010\/07\/firefox-4-beta-2-adds-css3-transitions-and-tab-pinning.ars\">Firefox 4 beta 2 adds CSS3 transitions and tab-pinning<\/a>\n<li><a class=\"external text\" href=\"http:\/\/www.pcmag.com\/article2\/0,2817,2367079,00.asp\" rel=\"nofollow\" title=\"http:\/\/www.pcmag.com\/article2\/0,2817,2367079,00.asp\">Firefox 4 Gets Second Beta Release<\/a>\n<li><a class=\"external text\" href=\"http:\/\/mashable.com\/2010\/07\/27\/firefox-4-beta-2\/\" rel=\"nofollow\" title=\"http:\/\/mashable.com\/2010\/07\/27\/firefox-4-beta-2\/\">Firefox 4 Beta 2 Adds More Languages and App Tabs<\/a>\n<li><a class=\"external text\" href=\"http:\/\/www.readwriteweb.com\/archives\/firefox_4_beta_2_introduces_web_apps_err_app_tabs.php\" rel=\"nofollow\" title=\"http:\/\/www.readwriteweb.com\/archives\/firefox_4_beta_2_introduces_web_apps_err_app_tabs.php\">Firefox 4 Beta 2 Introduces Web Apps&#8230;Err&#8230; App Tabs<\/a>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li><a class=\"external text\" href=\"http:\/\/news.cnet.com\/8301-27076_3-20011531-248.html\" rel=\"nofollow\" title=\"http:\/\/news.cnet.com\/8301-27076_3-20011531-248.html\">&#8216;Tab Candy&#8217; to bring calm to Firefox&#8217;s tab chaos<\/a>\n<li><a class=\"external text\" href=\"http:\/\/techcrunch.com\/2010\/07\/23\/firefox-tab-candy\/\" rel=\"nofollow\" title=\"http:\/\/techcrunch.com\/2010\/07\/23\/firefox-tab-candy\/\">Firefox Just Perfected Tabbed Browsing. 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