{"id":437,"date":"2010-11-24T00:00:04","date_gmt":"2010-11-24T04:00:04","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/blog.mozilla.org\/meeting-notes\/archives\/437"},"modified":"2010-11-24T00:00:04","modified_gmt":"2010-11-24T04:00:04","slug":"mozilla-platform-meeting-minutes-2010-11-23","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blog.mozilla.org\/meeting-notes\/archives\/437","title":{"rendered":"Mozilla Platform Meeting Minutes: 2010-11-23"},"content":{"rendered":"<div>\n<h1>Platform\/2010-11-23<\/h1>\n<h3 id=\"siteSub\">From MozillaWiki<\/h3>\n<div><span class=\"subpages\">&lt; <a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Platform\" title=\"Platform\">Platform<\/a><\/span><\/div>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Platform\/2010-11-16\" title=\"Platform\/2010-11-16\">\u00ab previous week<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Platform\" title=\"Platform\">index<\/a> | <a class=\"new\" href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/index.php?title=Platform\/2010-11-30&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1\" title=\"Platform\/2010-11-30 (page does not exist)\">next week \u00bb<\/a>\n<\/p>\n<h1> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Notices \/ Schedule <\/span><\/h1>\n<p><b>Firefox 4 Beta 8<\/b>\n<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li> criteria for release at this point is &#8220;no stability regressions from previous beta&#8221;\n<li> there is a pending change to the way Sync UI works for adding another client (<a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/bugzilla.mozilla.org\/show_bug.cgi?id=602682\" rel=\"nofollow\">bug 602682<\/a>) which needs to be simultaneously shipped with Fennec 2 Beta 3, also requires changes to the crypto libraries\n<li> based on the Fennec Beta 3 schedule, which is targeting Dec 7th as ship, we feel it&#8217;s best to align Beta 8 with that date\n<li> there is a pending change to the way Sync UI works for adding another client\n<\/ul>\n<p><b>Firefox 3.6.13 and 3.5.16<\/b>\n<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li> QA is finishing up testing the build\n<li> Plan to go to beta on 2010-11-24 (likely throttled)\n<\/ul>\n<p><b>Firefox 3.6.14 and 3.5.17<\/b>\n<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li> Draft schedule will be sent out for review next week\n<\/ul>\n<h1> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Blocker Report <\/span><\/h1>\n<ul>\n<li> <a class=\"external text\" href=\"http:\/\/blocker-reports.brasstacks.mozilla.com\/\" rel=\"nofollow\">charts<\/a> show steady state, no increase\/decrease in overall blocker count\n<\/ul>\n<pre style=\"font-size: 85%\">Blocker report for Firefox 4.0.beta8 (as of 2010-11-23 10:56:13.240700-08:00)\n\nOverview\n----------------------------------------------\n\n4.0.beta8\n      blocking: 173\n         fixed: 151\n          open:  22\n\n\nOpen Blocker Assignees\n----------------------------------------------\n\n   Philipp von Weitershausen [:philikon]:   3 +++\n                  Blake Kaplan (:mrbkap):   2 ++\n                         general@js.bugs:   2 ++\n                        Andreas Gal\u00a0:gal:   2 ++\n          Josh Aas (Mozilla Corporation):   1 +\n                          Richard Newman:   1 +\n                 Justin Dolske [:Dolske]:   1 +\n                             Raymond Lee:   1 +\n                      Kyle Huey [:khuey]:   1 +\n                      Axel Hecht [:Pike]:   1 +\n                           Markus Stange:   1 +\n                             Neil Deakin:   1 +\n                        Myk Melez [:myk]:   1 +\n                   Jason Duell (:jduell):   1 +\n        Christopher Blizzard (:blizzard):   1 +\n                 Wesley Johnston (:wesj):   1 +\n    Nobody; OK to take it and work on it:   1 +\n<\/pre>\n<ul>\n<li> 4.0b8pre stability:\n<ul>\n<li> We should get these fixed and monitored:\n<ul>\n<li><a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/bugzilla.mozilla.org\/show_bug.cgi?id=611597\" rel=\"nofollow\">bug 611597<\/a> maybe helped by <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/bugzilla.mozilla.org\/show_bug.cgi?id=614111\" rel=\"nofollow\">bug 614111<\/a> which is fixed\n<li><a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/bugzilla.mozilla.org\/show_bug.cgi?id=613376\" rel=\"nofollow\">bug 613376<\/a> fixed &#8211; top Mac crash\n<li><a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/bugzilla.mozilla.org\/show_bug.cgi?id=613835\" rel=\"nofollow\">bug 613835<\/a> punted to b9\n<li><a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/bugzilla.mozilla.org\/show_bug.cgi?id=609252\" rel=\"nofollow\">bug 609252<\/a> no one has looked at it\n<li><a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/bugzilla.mozilla.org\/show_bug.cgi?id=613834\" rel=\"nofollow\">bug 613834<\/a> maybe related to <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/bugzilla.mozilla.org\/show_bug.cgi?id=611597\" rel=\"nofollow\">bug 611597<\/a> which is fixed\n<\/ul>\n<\/ul>\n<\/ul>\n<h1> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Firefox Development <\/span><\/h1>\n<p>(from our <a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Firefox\/Goals\/2010Q4\" title=\"Firefox\/Goals\/2010Q4\">goals<\/a>):\n<\/p>\n<h1> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Firefox <\/span><\/h1>\n<ul>\n<li> <span style=\"color: grey;font-size: 80%;font-weight: bold\">[NEW]<\/span> Finish Firefox 4\n<ul>\n<li> 237 <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/bugzilla.mozilla.org\/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=blocking2.0%3Abeta,final%20prod:toolkit,firefox\" rel=\"nofollow\">Firefox\/Toolkit blockers<\/a>\n<\/ul>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li> <span style=\"color: blue;font-size: 80%;font-weight: bold\">[CARRY OVER]<\/span> API-Complete Jetpack\n<ul>\n<li> Joint with Jetpack team\n<\/ul>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li> <span style=\"color: grey;font-size: 80%;font-weight: bold\">[NEW]<\/span> Stand up basic Firefox with Electrolysis\n<ul>\n<li> Joint with Platform\n<li> UI may not be functional, should launch and open a web page.\n<\/ul>\n<\/ul>\n<h1> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Developer Tools <\/span><\/h1>\n<ul>\n<li> <span style=\"color: grey;font-size: 80%;font-weight: bold\">[NEW]<\/span> Finish Firefox 4 developer tools\n<ul>\n<li> 26 <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/bugzilla.mozilla.org\/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=blocking2.0%3Abeta,final%20prod:firefox%20comp:developer\" rel=\"nofollow\">blocking developer tools bugs<\/a>\n<\/ul>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li> <span style=\"color: grey;font-size: 80%;font-weight: bold\">[NEW]<\/span> Ensure that Firefox 4 ships with a compatible version of Firebug\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li> <span style=\"color: grey;font-size: 80%;font-weight: bold\">[NEW]<\/span> Publish a roadmap for integrated developer tools in Firefox, including console, inspection, and js debugging\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li> <span style=\"color: grey;font-size: 80%;font-weight: bold\">[NEW]<\/span> Develop long term plan for Skywriter maintenance\/support\n<\/ul>\n<h1> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Platform <\/span><\/h1>\n<ul>\n<li> Goals: Real list found <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Platform\/2010-Q4-Goals\" rel=\"nofollow\">here<\/a>.  Quick overview:\n<ul>\n<li> <span style=\"color: grey;font-size: 80%;font-weight: bold\">[ON TRACK]<\/span> Finish Firefox 4 blockers.\n<li> <span style=\"color: grey;font-size: 80%;font-weight: bold\">[ON TRACK]<\/span> Support Firefox Team to stand up a browser on Electrolysis.\n<\/ul>\n<\/ul>\n<h1> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> GFX <\/span><\/h1>\n<ul>\n<li> <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/bugzilla.mozilla.org\/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=comp:gfx,graphics,image,widget,canvas%20-comp:xul%20blocking2:%2B\" rel=\"nofollow\">121 blockers<\/a>\n<ul>\n<li> 0 beta8, 1 beta9, 49 betaN, 71 final\n<\/ul>\n<li> We hope that most of the since-b7 topcrashes have been fixed, and we&#8217;ll continue to evaluate that. Several crasher fixes have landed over the past couple of days.\n<\/ul>\n<h1> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Layout <\/span><\/h1>\n<ul>\n<li> Nothing major to report\n<li> No beta8 blockers\n<li> Still worried by trackpad\/trackpoint problems on Windows laptops. If you can reproduce a problem on a laptop you own, please say so on the bugs below or file a new one\n<ul>\n<li> <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/bugzilla.mozilla.org\/show_bug.cgi?id=593372\" rel=\"nofollow\">bug 593372<\/a> Elantech\n<li> <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/bugzilla.mozilla.org\/show_bug.cgi?id=594977\" rel=\"nofollow\">bug 594977<\/a> Synaptic\n<li> <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/bugzilla.mozilla.org\/show_bug.cgi?id=605357\" rel=\"nofollow\">bug 605357<\/a> ALPS\n<\/ul>\n<\/ul>\n<h1> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> JS <\/span><\/h1>\n<h1> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Tree Management <\/span><\/h1>\n<ul>\n<li> (from <a class=\"external text\" href=\"http:\/\/groups.google.com\/group\/mozilla.dev.tree-management\/browse_thread\/thread\/3f90cf4ad74b8070#\" rel=\"nofollow\">dev-tree-management<\/a>) no more timeouts for tagging, yay!\n<li> (from <a class=\"external text\" href=\"http:\/\/groups.google.com\/group\/mozilla.dev.tree-management\/browse_thread\/thread\/ce654b9ee17742ea#\" rel=\"nofollow\">dev-tree-management<\/a>) changes to TryChooser coming soon\n<li> (from <a class=\"external text\" href=\"http:\/\/groups.google.com\/group\/mozilla.dev.planning\/browse_thread\/thread\/f879f63a4dbfa7b1#\" rel=\"nofollow\">dev-tree-planning<\/a>) add mozmill suite to tinderbox main page?\n<li> proposed downtime on Thursday morning.  any objections?\n<\/ul>\n<h1> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Roundtable <\/span><\/h1>\n<ul>\n<li> What is our risk-tolerance for risky changes that come with big perf gains? I&#8217;m opposed to taking <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/bugzilla.mozilla.org\/show_bug.cgi?id=414946\" rel=\"nofollow\">bug 414946<\/a> (jemalloc on mac) because of the risk, but I&#8217;m getting a lot of pushback (bsmedberg).\n<ul>\n<li> specific rule is that we&#8217;ll evaluate each case by case, but at this stage we need to know how we&#8217;ll evaluate early signs of risk vs. reward\n<li> stuart suggests we check it in after beta 8 freeze and watch nightlies for signs like crashes\n<li> beltzner\/bsmedberg\/pbiggar to guide a plan that helps us understand landing timeline, criteria for keeping, and what we&#8217;ll look for in terms of signs to validate assumptions about risk\n<\/ul>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li> Thinking about Firefox 4.x and Firefox 5.  Timing &amp; criteria.\n<ul>\n<li> Blizzard suggests quarterly 4.x releases, wonders if we can do that without busting addon compatibility ever quarter\n<\/ul>\n<\/ul>\n<div class=\"printfooter\">\nRetrieved from &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Platform\/2010-11-23\">https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Platform\/2010-11-23<\/a>&#8220;<\/div>\n<div>\n<div class=\"catlinks catlinks-allhidden\"><\/div>\n<\/div><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Platform\/2010-11-23 From MozillaWiki &lt; Platform \u00ab previous week | index | next week \u00bb Notices \/ Schedule Firefox 4 Beta 8 criteria for release at this point is &#8220;no stability regressions from previous beta&#8221; there is a pending change to the way Sync UI works for adding another client (bug 602682) which needs to be [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":195,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[209],"tags":[258],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/blog.mozilla.org\/meeting-notes\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/437"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/blog.mozilla.org\/meeting-notes\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/blog.mozilla.org\/meeting-notes\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blog.mozilla.org\/meeting-notes\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/195"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blog.mozilla.org\/meeting-notes\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=437"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/blog.mozilla.org\/meeting-notes\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/437\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/blog.mozilla.org\/meeting-notes\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=437"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blog.mozilla.org\/meeting-notes\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=437"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blog.mozilla.org\/meeting-notes\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=437"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}