{"id":449,"date":"2010-12-08T00:00:07","date_gmt":"2010-12-08T04:00:07","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/blog.mozilla.org\/meeting-notes\/archives\/449"},"modified":"2010-12-08T00:00:07","modified_gmt":"2010-12-08T04:00:07","slug":"thunderbird-meeting-minutes-2010-12-07","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blog.mozilla.org\/meeting-notes\/archives\/449","title":{"rendered":"Thunderbird Meeting Minutes: 2010-12-07"},"content":{"rendered":"<div>\n<h1>Thunderbird\/StatusMeetings\/2010-12-07<\/h1>\n<h3 id=\"siteSub\">From MozillaWiki<\/h3>\n<div><span class=\"subpages\">&lt; <a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Thunderbird\" title=\"Thunderbird\">Thunderbird<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Thunderbird\/StatusMeetings\" title=\"Thunderbird\/StatusMeetings\">StatusMeetings<\/a><\/span><\/div>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Thunderbird\/StatusMeetings\/2010-11-30\" title=\"Thunderbird\/StatusMeetings\/2010-11-30\">last meeting<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Thunderbird\/StatusMeetings\" title=\"Thunderbird\/StatusMeetings\">index<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Thunderbird\/StatusMeetings\/2010-12-14\" title=\"Thunderbird\/StatusMeetings\/2010-12-14\">next meeting \u00bb<\/a>\n<\/p>\n<table>\n<caption> <b>Current Release Schedules<\/b><br \/>\n<\/caption>\n<tr>\n<th width=\"50%\"> Thunderbird 3.3 Alpha 2 <\/p>\n<th> Thunderbird 3.1.7 &amp; 3.0.11<br \/>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>\n<ul>\n<li> TBD\n<\/ul>\n<td>\n<ul>\n<li> Code freeze: 23rd Nov 23:59\n<li> L10n freeze: 23rd Nov 23:59\n<li> Builds start: 24th Nov\n<li> QA with builds start: 29th Nov\n<li> Beta period starts: 30th Nov\n<li> Final release: 9th Dec\n<\/ul>\n<\/table>\n<p>\n<b>Thunderbird Meeting Details<\/b>\u00a0:\n<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li> <a class=\"external text\" href=\"http:\/\/www.timeanddate.com\/worldclock\/fixedtime.html?year=2010&amp;month=12&amp;day=07&amp;hour=17&amp;min=30&amp;sec=0\" rel=\"nofollow\">Tuesday, December 7, 2010 17:30 UTC<\/a> (9:30am Pacific, 12:30pm Eastern)\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Thunderbird\/StatusMeeting\/DialInInfo\" title=\"Thunderbird\/StatusMeeting\/DialInInfo\">How to dial-in<\/a>\n<\/ul>\n<p><b>Remember to press *1 to unmute yourself before talking!<\/b><\/p>\n<p>Feel free to ask questions in the meeting either by speaking up or by asking them in #maildev on IRC.\n<\/p>\n<h2> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Agenda  <\/span><\/h2>\n<ul>\n<li>Who&#8217;s taking minutes? &#8211;&gt; <b>Ludo<\/b>\n<li><a class=\"external text\" href=\"http:\/\/ascher.ca\/thunderbird\/minutes_schedule.html\" rel=\"nofollow\">Minute taking Schedule<\/a>. Talk to davida or dmose for schedule changes\/additions.\n<li> Note: this meeting is for interactive discussion. Feel free to ask questions!\n<\/ul>\n<h3> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Action Items  <\/span><\/h3>\n<h3> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Friends of the Tree <\/span><\/h3>\n<ul>\n<li> Eric Moore of MozillaZine for the <a class=\"external text\" href=\"http:\/\/blogs.mozillamessaging.com\/roland\/2010\/12\/06\/first-mozillazine-mozilla-messaging-collaboration-a-small-success\/\" rel=\"nofollow\">Make TB 3.1 look like TB 2.0 MZ\/MoMo collaboration<\/a> and <a class=\"external text\" href=\"http:\/\/feedback.mozillalabs.com\/users\/15448991-tanstaafl\" rel=\"nofollow\">excellent, detailed about:support feedback<\/a>\n<li> Matt Harris of Australia for documenting <a class=\"external text\" href=\"http:\/\/thunderbirdtweaks.blogspot.com\/\" rel=\"nofollow\">Thunderbird FAQs and tweaks on his blog<\/a> and in SuMoMo\n<\/ul>\n<h3> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Conversion Funnel (Priority 0 side project) <\/span><\/h3>\n<ul>\n<li> Funnel cake 3 after 20 days gives us a 92% retention rate.  Inline with Funnel cake 1 &#8211; 2 retention after same time period.\n<li> Fine graining numbers coming up (ie os etc e.g. 11% users on Mac OS X and 33% on Windows XP).\n<li> Germany seems to retain more.\n<li> Q what numbers can we compare to\u00a0?\n<ul>\n<li> previous Funnels\n<li> Firefox\n<li> Rafael to try to find some numbers out.\n<\/ul>\n<\/ul>\n<h3> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Thunderbird Development <\/span><\/h3>\n<p>For more details, see also the <a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Thunderbird\/Driver_Meetings\/2010-12-07\" title=\"Thunderbird\/Driver Meetings\/2010-12-07\">driver meeting notes<\/a>.\n<\/p>\n<h4> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> <a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Thunderbird:Feature_Work\" title=\"Thunderbird:Feature Work\">Feature Work<\/a> <\/span><\/h4>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Thunderbird\/Experiments#Account_Provisioner\" title=\"Thunderbird\/Experiments\">Account Provisioner<\/a>:\n<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li> Contracts almost done.\n<li> Code done.\n<li> Should be ready to release by next Tuesday.\n<\/ul>\n<p>Pluggable Mail Stores (<a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/bugzilla.mozilla.org\/show_bug.cgi?id=402392\" rel=\"nofollow\">bug 402392<\/a>):\n<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li> two test failings\n<\/ul>\n<h4> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> <a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Thunderbird\/Experiments\" title=\"Thunderbird\/Experiments\">Experiments<\/a> <\/span><\/h4>\n<ul>\n<li> Thunderbird Conversations slated for release on 2010\/12\/07, <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/mozillalabs.com\/messaging\/2010\/12\/07\/announcing-thunderbird-conversations\/\" rel=\"nofollow\">with blog post on mozilla labs<\/a>, <a class=\"external text\" href=\"http:\/\/vimeo.com\/17431719\" rel=\"nofollow\">screencast<\/a>, updated AMO page, lotta screenshots, <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/#!\/mozjonathan\/status\/12117846867836928\" rel=\"nofollow\">twitter announcement<\/a> (please retweet), and the whole shebang.\n<ul>\n<li> Expecting a lot of feedback!\n<li>\u00a0:protz currently slightly busy now, will continue bugfixes and improvements, for future alpha releases in sync with Thunderbird 3.3 alpha releases (gallery view, bugfixes, improved quick reply&#8230;).\n<\/ul>\n<li> Updates for Mailing List Manager, Contacts on deck.\n<li> Sync Add-on further out.\n<\/ul>\n<h4> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Trunk (Miramar) Development <\/span><\/h4>\n<ul>\n<li> <a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Thunderbird\/Active_Branches\" title=\"Thunderbird\/Active Branches\">Active branches<\/a>.\n<li> Next Alpha: Early January.\n<li> Help on fixing blockers would be very useful and appreciated, see <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/bugzilla.mozilla.org\/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=ALL%20blocking-thunderbird3.3:needed%20-status-thunderbird3.3:fixed%20-whiteboard:non-code&amp;order=map_assigned_to.login_name,bugs.bug_id\" rel=\"nofollow\">this list of higher priority bugs<\/a>.\n<li> blocking criteria\u00a0:\n<ul>\n<li> Alpha 1 -&gt; Serious usability issues.\n<li> After -&gt; not real criteria, regression\/usability issues as usual.\n<\/ul>\n<\/ul>\n<h4> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> 3.2 <\/span><\/h4>\n<ul>\n<li> Decision on if\/when we&#8217;ll do 3.2 on hold until we progress account provisioning further.\n<\/ul>\n<h4> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Thunderbird Stability &amp; Security Releases <\/span><\/h4>\n<ul>\n<li> Doing a quick respin (build 3) to fix a regression that affects Theme add-ons.\n<li> 3.1.7(build2 out on the beta channel) and 3.0.11 to be released on Thursday.\n<li> 3.0.11 is the last release fro the 3.0.x branch\n<li> End Of Life (EOL) for 3.0.x.\n<li> Doing build3 for 3.1.7 &#8211; small change &#8211; on schedule for Thursday release\n<li> Bug Lists: <a class=\"external text\" href=\"http:\/\/hg.mozilla.org\/users\/bugzilla_standard8.plus.com\/drivertools\/raw-file\/default\/bugtracking\/index.html?branch=3.1\" rel=\"nofollow\">3.1<\/a>, <a class=\"external text\" href=\"http:\/\/hg.mozilla.org\/users\/bugzilla_standard8.plus.com\/drivertools\/raw-file\/default\/bugtracking\/index.html?branch=3.0\" rel=\"nofollow\">3.0<\/a>\n<\/ul>\n<h5> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Major updates to 3.1 <\/span><\/h5>\n<ul>\n<li> Nothing this week.\n<\/ul>\n<h3> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> <a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Thunderbird:Testing\" title=\"Thunderbird:Testing\">QA<\/a> Updates <\/span><\/h3>\n<ul>\n<li> Had the dupme event last week\n<ul>\n<li> 2 people showed up at the second session (and one found a duplicate\u00a0!!)\n<li> Regular #tb-qa people at the first session\n<li> Nobody new at the last session\n<li> Notes and docs that need to be cleaned up are up at <a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Thunderbird:Testing\/Workshops#Past_events\" title=\"Thunderbird:Testing\/Workshops\">Thunderbird:Testing\/Workshops#Past_events<\/a>\n<li> Had a few more ideas of workshops\n<ol>\n<li> How to use bugzilla\u00a0?\n<li> How to gather stack traces and log files\n<li> Getting started with mozmill\n<\/ol>\n<\/ul>\n<li> The change from announced weekly event, 1 day in the week to more loosy 1 event per week didn&#8217;t really work out &#8211; we will go back to one day event per week &#8211; need to communicate that and get it rolling.\n<li> Should probably advertize extensions a bit more with what to test etc &#8230;\n<\/ul>\n<h3> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Marketing Updates <\/span><\/h3>\n<ul>\n<li> Press Update: going to push on conversion view more today &#8211; early articles <a class=\"external text\" href=\"http:\/\/downloadsquad.switched.com\/2010\/12\/07\/conversations-add-on-brings-a-gmail-like-experience-to-your-thun\/\" rel=\"nofollow\">1<\/a>, <a class=\"external text\" href=\"http:\/\/lifehacker.com\/5708180\/thunderbird-conversations-brings-true-gmail+like-conversation-views-to-thunderbird\" rel=\"nofollow\">2<\/a>, <a class=\"external text\" href=\"http:\/\/www.ghacks.net\/2010\/12\/07\/thunderbird-conversations-view-all-conversation-emails-at-once\/\" rel=\"nofollow\">3<\/a>, should increase Miramar pickup\n<li> Total ADUs: Thunderbird 2.x is 15% of total users, about 6.6MM total Thunderbird ADUs and holding steady with over 85k downloads a day.\n<li> This week:\n<ul>\n<li><a class=\"external text\" href=\"http:\/\/addoncon.com\/\" rel=\"nofollow\">Add-on Con 2010<\/a> this Wednesday and Thursday, will demo all of our Labs add-ons\n<\/ul>\n<li> Add-on contest still in our plan, need to find the proper timing.\n<\/ul>\n<h3> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Infrastructure Update  <\/span><\/h3>\n<ul>\n<li> Buildbot 0.8 upgrade this week!\n<ul>\n<li> Thursday December 9th \/ 9am &#8211; 1pm Pacific\n<\/ul>\n<li> New hardware is on site, waiting to plug it in\n<ul>\n<li> includes lignting stuff\n<\/ul>\n<li> SSL for Spreadthunderbird\n<ul>\n<li> https is usable\n<li> drupal module installed to have auth done over https.\n<\/ul>\n<li> Mozilla Messaging organization now on <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/github.com\/mozillamessaging\" rel=\"nofollow\">GitHub<\/a>\n<\/ul>\n<h3> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Build \/ Release Update <\/span><\/h3>\n<ul>\n<li> Thunderbird 3.0.11\/3.1.7 last week.  Build 3.1.7 build 3 today\n<li> <a class=\"external text\" href=\"http:\/\/bit.ly\/i3vY6S\" rel=\"nofollow\">Try server supports patches to non-comm-central repositories<\/a>\n<li> Planning upgrade to Buildbot 0.8 on Thursday\n<li> Virus scan automation\n<\/ul>\n<h3> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Web Update <\/span><\/h3>\n<ul>\n<li> Couple website fixes and ispdb fixes coming up\n<li> Still blocked on broker\/account provisioning stuff for second provider~\n<li> Looking into <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/bugzilla.mozilla.org\/show_bug.cgi?id=600367\" rel=\"nofollow\">bug 600367<\/a> this week and more ispdb bugs\n<\/ul>\n<h3> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Documentation <\/span><\/h3>\n<h3> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> <a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Thunderbird\/Support\" title=\"Thunderbird\/Support\">Support<\/a> <\/span><\/h3>\n<p>(If you support Thunderbird or write documentation to help support Thunderbird, please <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/mail.mozilla.org\/listinfo\/tb-support-crew\" rel=\"nofollow\">subscribe to the tb-support-crew mailing list<\/a> and briefly introduce yourself to the list)\n<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li> 423 new support topics +17% from last week (363 last week; this week is still a bit down from normal, American Thanksgiving lingering effect?)\n<li> <a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Thunderbird\/Thunderbird3.1SupportIssues\" title=\"Thunderbird\/Thunderbird3.1SupportIssues\">3.1 Support Issues<\/a>\n<li> Congrats to <a class=\"external text\" href=\"http:\/\/blog.mozilla.org\/sumo\/2010\/12\/01\/the-new-sumo-is-here-lets-put-it-to-the-test\/\" rel=\"nofollow\">Firefox launching Kitsune KB last week<\/a>.\n<ul>\n<li>Plan to switch SuMoMo to <a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Support\/Kitsune\/KB\" title=\"Support\/Kitsune\/KB\">Kitsune KB<\/a> in 1Q or 2Q2011.\n<li>Wiki page and tracker bug coming soon!\n<\/ul>\n<li> Investigating Web Trends analytics for SuMoMo (not as detailed as Google Analytics on first glance e.g. missing country by country analytics)\n<li> <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/addons.mozilla.org\/en-US\/thunderbird\/addon\/239387\/\" rel=\"nofollow\">about:support addon is now at 0.40 with condensed plain text output<\/a> &#8211; Thunderbird support contributors: please give it a try. Thanks to sid0 for excellent work and code!\n<li> See <a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Thunderbird\/StatusMeetings\/2010-12-07\/SupportAppendix\" title=\"Thunderbird\/StatusMeetings\/2010-12-07\/SupportAppendix\">this week&#8217;s Support Appendix<\/a> for full Get Satisfaction metrics and other support details\n<\/ol>\n<h3> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Lightning Updates <\/span><\/h3>\n<ul>\n<li> Nothing special this week from the code side, been working on getting chromebug working with partial success.\n<li> The Website Team successfully migrated all support articles from wiki.mozilla.org to the <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/support.mozillamessaging.com\/en-US\/kb\/Lightning+articles\" rel=\"nofollow\">Mozilla Messaging Support Knowledge Base<\/a>\n<li> A few contributors are already localizing these new pages\n<\/ul>\n<h3> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Status Updates <\/span><\/h3>\n<p>See the <a class=\"external text\" href=\"http:\/\/benjamin.smedbergs.us\/weekly-updates.fcgi\/project\/thunderbird\" rel=\"nofollow\">Mozilla Status Board<\/a> for status updates specific to developers.\n<\/p>\n<h3> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Roundtable Highlights <\/span><\/h3>\n<h3> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Attendees  <\/span><\/h3>\n<p>Fallen, dmose, standard8, bwinton, davidB, gozer, jhopkins, roland, ludo, rebron\n<\/p>\n<div class=\"printfooter\">\nRetrieved from &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Thunderbird\/StatusMeetings\/2010-12-07\">https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Thunderbird\/StatusMeetings\/2010-12-07<\/a>&#8220;<\/div>\n<div>\n<div class=\"catlinks catlinks-allhidden\"><\/div>\n<\/div><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Thunderbird\/StatusMeetings\/2010-12-07 From MozillaWiki &lt; Thunderbird | StatusMeetings last meeting | index | next meeting \u00bb Current Release Schedules Thunderbird 3.3 Alpha 2 Thunderbird 3.1.7 &amp; 3.0.11 TBD Code freeze: 23rd Nov 23:59 L10n freeze: 23rd Nov 23:59 Builds start: 24th Nov QA with builds start: 29th Nov Beta period starts: 30th Nov Final release: 9th [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":195,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[209],"tags":[40],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/blog.mozilla.org\/meeting-notes\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/449"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/blog.mozilla.org\/meeting-notes\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/blog.mozilla.org\/meeting-notes\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blog.mozilla.org\/meeting-notes\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/195"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blog.mozilla.org\/meeting-notes\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=449"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/blog.mozilla.org\/meeting-notes\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/449\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/blog.mozilla.org\/meeting-notes\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=449"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blog.mozilla.org\/meeting-notes\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=449"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blog.mozilla.org\/meeting-notes\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=449"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}