{"id":454,"date":"2010-12-15T00:00:05","date_gmt":"2010-12-15T04:00:05","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/blog.mozilla.org\/meeting-notes\/archives\/454"},"modified":"2010-12-15T00:00:05","modified_gmt":"2010-12-15T04:00:05","slug":"thunderbird-meeting-minutes-2010-12-14","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blog.mozilla.org\/meeting-notes\/archives\/454","title":{"rendered":"Thunderbird Meeting Minutes: 2010-12-14"},"content":{"rendered":"<div>\n<h1>Thunderbird\/StatusMeetings\/2010-12-14<\/h1>\n<h3 id=\"siteSub\">From MozillaWiki<\/h3>\n<div><span class=\"subpages\">&lt; <a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Thunderbird\" title=\"Thunderbird\">Thunderbird<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Thunderbird\/StatusMeetings\" title=\"Thunderbird\/StatusMeetings\">StatusMeetings<\/a><\/span><\/div>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Thunderbird\/StatusMeetings\/2010-12-07\" title=\"Thunderbird\/StatusMeetings\/2010-12-07\">last meeting<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Thunderbird\/StatusMeetings\" title=\"Thunderbird\/StatusMeetings\">index<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Thunderbird\/StatusMeetings\/2010-01-04\" title=\"Thunderbird\/StatusMeetings\/2010-01-04\">next meeting \u00bb<\/a>\n<\/p>\n<table>\n<caption> <b>Current Release Schedules<\/b><br \/>\n<\/caption>\n<tr>\n<th width=\"50%\"> Thunderbird 3.3 Alpha 2 <\/p>\n<th> Thunderbird 3.1.7 &amp; 3.0.11<br \/>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>\n<ul>\n<li> Release ETA: January\n<\/ul>\n<td>\n<ul>\n<li> Code freeze: 23rd Nov 23:59\n<li> L10n freeze: 23rd Nov 23:59\n<li> Builds start: 24th Nov\n<li> QA with builds start: 29th Nov\n<li> Beta period starts: 30th Nov\n<li> Final release: 9th Dec\n<\/ul>\n<\/table>\n<p>\n<b>Thunderbird Meeting Details<\/b>\u00a0:\n<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li> <a class=\"external text\" href=\"http:\/\/www.timeanddate.com\/worldclock\/fixedtime.html?year=2010&amp;month=12&amp;day=14&amp;hour=17&amp;min=30&amp;sec=0\" rel=\"nofollow\">Tuesday, December 14, 2010 17:30 UTC<\/a> (9:30am Pacific, 12:30pm Eastern)\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Thunderbird\/StatusMeeting\/DialInInfo\" title=\"Thunderbird\/StatusMeeting\/DialInInfo\">How to dial-in<\/a>\n<\/ul>\n<p><b>Remember to press *1 to unmute yourself before talking!<\/b><\/p>\n<p>Feel free to ask questions in the meeting either by speaking up or by asking them in #maildev on IRC.\n<\/p>\n<h2> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Agenda  <\/span><\/h2>\n<ul>\n<li>Who&#8217;s taking minutes? &#8211;&gt; <b>gozer<\/b>\n<li><a class=\"external text\" href=\"http:\/\/ascher.ca\/thunderbird\/minutes_schedule.html\" rel=\"nofollow\">Minute taking Schedule<\/a>. Talk to davida or dmose for schedule changes\/additions.\n<li> Note: this meeting is for interactive discussion. Feel free to ask questions!\n<\/ul>\n<h3> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Action Items  <\/span><\/h3>\n<h3> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Friends of the Tree <\/span><\/h3>\n<p>Thanks to our Friends of the Tree When adding someone to this section, please get their T-Shirt size and send it to rebron@mozillamessaging.com so that he can send them a shirt!\n<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li> Protz (Jonathan Protzenko) for the awesome\u00a0:\n<ul>\n<li> <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/addons.mozilla.org\/en-US\/thunderbird\/addon\/54035\/\" rel=\"nofollow\">Conversation Add-on<\/a>\n<li> <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Thunderbird\/CommunicationChannels\" rel=\"nofollow\">Documenting the Thunderbird Communication Channels<\/a>\n<\/ul>\n<\/ul>\n<h3> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Conversion Funnel (Priority 0 side project) <\/span><\/h3>\n<ul>\n<li> Funnel cake 3 numbers show a conversion rate of 34% compared to Funnel Cake 1 of 28.5%.\n<li> Planning for Funnel Cake 4 to continue watching trend.\n<li> ISPDB: 41% success rate.  Top misses: psmtp.com, ocn.ad.jp, interia.pl, locaweb.com.br, aon.at, netsolmail.net, telnet-ops.be, one.com, telenet.be, emailsrvr.com\n<\/ul>\n<h3> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Thunderbird Development <\/span><\/h3>\n<p>For more details, see also the <a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Thunderbird\/Driver_Meetings\/2010-12-14\" title=\"Thunderbird\/Driver Meetings\/2010-12-14\">driver meeting notes<\/a>.\n<\/p>\n<h4> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> <a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Thunderbird:Feature_Work\" title=\"Thunderbird:Feature Work\">Feature Work<\/a> <\/span><\/h4>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Thunderbird\/Experiments#Account_Provisioner\" title=\"Thunderbird\/Experiments\">Account Provisioner<\/a>:\n<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li> Has been released!\n<li> <a class=\"external text\" href=\"http:\/\/mozillalabs.com\/messaging\/2010\/12\/14\/get-an-account\/\" rel=\"nofollow\">Blog post up<\/a>\n<li> <a class=\"external text\" href=\"http:\/\/vimeo.com\/17810751\" rel=\"nofollow\">Screencast up<\/a>\n<li> <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/addons.mozilla.org\/en-US\/thunderbird\/addon\/264090\/\" rel=\"nofollow\">Extension in AMO<\/a>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Pluggable Mail Stores (<a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/bugzilla.mozilla.org\/show_bug.cgi?id=402392\" rel=\"nofollow\">bug 402392<\/a>): berkeley and maildir stores pass all mailnews xpcshell tests. Checking mozmill and mail xpcshell tests next.\n<\/p>\n<h4> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> <a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Thunderbird\/Experiments\" title=\"Thunderbird\/Experiments\">Experiments<\/a> <\/span><\/h4>\n<h5> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Thunderbird Conversations <\/span><\/h5>\n<ul>\n<li> <a class=\"external text\" href=\"http:\/\/mozillalabs.com\/messaging\/2010\/12\/07\/announcing-thunderbird-conversations\/\" rel=\"nofollow\">Thunderbird Conversations<\/a> released. Thanks to everyone for relaying the news. This has been on <a class=\"external text\" href=\"http:\/\/lifehacker.com\/5708180\/thunderbird-conversations-brings-true-gmail+like-conversation-views-to-thunderbird\" rel=\"nofollow\">Lifehacker<\/a>, Reddit, GHacks, and various other websites. Lots of retweets.\n<li> A few comments on Twitter and the blog post. Went from 92 downloads\/day to 1500. <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/addons.mozilla.org\/en-US\/statistics\/addon\/54035\" rel=\"nofollow\">Statistics<\/a> were initially pretty good, except there hasn&#8217;t been a significant increase in the number of users as I expected. Low retention rate, I suspect people are afraid of Trunk.\n<li> Lots of bugs reported. Still <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/github.com\/protz\/GMail-Conversation-View\/issues\" rel=\"nofollow\">a lot of open bugs<\/a>. Managed to <a class=\"external text\" href=\"http:\/\/jonathan.xulforum.org\/files\/gcv-nightlies\/Changelog_master\" rel=\"nofollow\">kill a few<\/a>, the fixes are in the <a class=\"external text\" href=\"http:\/\/jonathan.xulforum.org\/files\/gcv-nightlies\/\" rel=\"nofollow\">nightly versions<\/a>.\n<li> Next: Andy and Bryan have some work to do and a few things to help me on, I think we can aim for a new release maybe before Christmas with mostly bugfixes in, or maybe next year.\n<\/ul>\n<h4> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Trunk (Miramar) Development <\/span><\/h4>\n<ul>\n<li> Landing OmniJAR today\n<li> <a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Thunderbird\/Active_Branches\" title=\"Thunderbird\/Active Branches\">Active branches<\/a>.\n<li> Next Alpha: Early January.\n<li> Help on fixing blockers would be very useful and appreciated, see <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/bugzilla.mozilla.org\/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=ALL%20blocking-thunderbird3.3:needed%20-status-thunderbird3.3:fixed%20-whiteboard:non-code&amp;order=map_assigned_to.login_name,bugs.bug_id\" rel=\"nofollow\">this list of higher priority bugs<\/a>.\n<li> blocking criteria\u00a0:\n<ul>\n<li> Alpha 1 -&gt; Serious usability issues.\n<li> After -&gt; not real criteria, regression\/usability issues as usual.\n<\/ul>\n<\/ul>\n<h4> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> 3.2 <\/span><\/h4>\n<ul>\n<li> Decision on if\/when we&#8217;ll do 3.2 on hold until we progress account provisioning further.\n<\/ul>\n<h4> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Thunderbird Stability &amp; Security Releases <\/span><\/h4>\n<ul>\n<li> 3.0.11 and 3.1.7 released.\n<li> <b>Planning to shut down 3.0.x nightly builds after Wednesday 15th<\/b>, now that 3.0.x is end-of-life.\n<li> The wiki page on the <a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Thunderbird\/Security_And_Stability_Releases\/Rules\" title=\"Thunderbird\/Security And Stability Releases\/Rules\">process for landing security patches<\/a> has now been made generic so that it applies to all security and stability branches.\n<li> Bug Lists: <a class=\"external text\" href=\"http:\/\/hg.mozilla.org\/users\/bugzilla_standard8.plus.com\/drivertools\/raw-file\/default\/bugtracking\/index.html?branch=3.1\" rel=\"nofollow\">3.1<\/a>\n<\/ul>\n<h5> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Major updates to 3.1 <\/span><\/h5>\n<ul>\n<li> 2.0.0.24 -&gt; 3.1.7 Major Update refresh this week.\n<\/ul>\n<h3> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> <a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Thunderbird:Testing\" title=\"Thunderbird:Testing\">QA<\/a> Updates <\/span><\/h3>\n<ul>\n<li> Thunderbird Releases last week\n<li> Working on global plan for next year\n<li> Have a look at <a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Thunderbird:Testing\" title=\"Thunderbird:Testing\">Thunderbird:Testing<\/a> if you want to help\u00a0\ud83d\ude42\n<\/ul>\n<h3> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Marketing Updates <\/span><\/h3>\n<ul>\n<li> Press Update: Lots of press on the latest update, tied to Firefox update press.  Good coverage on Conversation View <a class=\"external text\" href=\"http:\/\/news.cnet.com\/8301-13506_3-20024884-17.html\" rel=\"nofollow\">1<\/a> <a class=\"external text\" href=\"http:\/\/lifehacker.com\/5708180\/thunderbird-conversations-brings-true-gmail+like-conversation-views-to-thunderbird\" rel=\"nofollow\">2<\/a> <a class=\"external text\" href=\"http:\/\/www.ghacks.net\/2010\/12\/07\/thunderbird-conversations-view-all-conversation-emails-at-once\/\" rel=\"nofollow\">3<\/a>\n<li> ADUs: 6.7MM TOtal ADUs, 15% on Thunderbird 2.x\n<li> Attended Add-ons conference last week: slides\/summary <a class=\"external text\" href=\"http:\/\/blog.fligtar.com\/2010\/12\/14\/add-on-con-2010-wrap-up\/\" rel=\"nofollow\">here<\/a> and <a class=\"external text\" href=\"http:\/\/blog.mozilla.org\/addons\/2010\/12\/14\/add-on-con-2010-round-up\/\" rel=\"nofollow\">here<\/a>\n<li> This week &#8211; All Hands\n<\/ul>\n<h3> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Infrastructure Update  <\/span><\/h3>\n<ul>\n<li> Buildbot 0.8: Upgraded\n<li> Core Network overhauled\n<li> Hardware racked, powering on\n<\/ul>\n<h3> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Build \/ Release Update <\/span><\/h3>\n<ul>\n<li> Win32 builder issues &#8211; downgraded to Twisted 2.5.0\n<li> More Mac64 builders on the way\n<li> More Linux and Win32 builders on the new hardware.  Will experiment.\n<\/ul>\n<h3> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Web Update <\/span><\/h3>\n<ul>\n<li> reviewed and pushed a bunch of website patches\n<li> Broker(Account Provisioning back-end) in momo github\n<\/ul>\n<h3> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Documentation <\/span><\/h3>\n<h4> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Communication Channels <\/span><\/h4>\n<p>I (protz) just created a new wiki page <a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Thunderbird\/CommunicationChannels\" title=\"Thunderbird\/CommunicationChannels\">Thunderbird\/CommunicationChannels<\/a> that lists all the communication channels we have. There&#8217;s also a post on tb-planning. Please make sure you read the page (it&#8217;s short) an add any items I might have forgotten. Once it&#8217;s polished enough, we should probably link to this page from the official website, MDN, and other entry points for newcomers.<\/p>\n<p>This tries to answer the concerns raised some time ago on mdat about the lack of communication. Update wanted for <a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Thunderbird:Thunderbird_Post_3.1_Plan\" title=\"Thunderbird:Thunderbird Post 3.1 Plan\">Thunderbird:Thunderbird_Post_3.1_Plan<\/a>.\n<\/p>\n<h4> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Sumomo <\/span><\/h4>\n<ul>\n<li> <a class=\"external text\" href=\"http:\/\/support.mozillamessaging.com\/en-US\/kb\/Thunderbird+and+Verizon\" rel=\"nofollow\">Thunderbird and Verizon<\/a> (bug 560631)\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li> <a class=\"external text\" href=\"http:\/\/support.mozillamessaging.com\/en-US\/kb\/Thunderbird+FAQ#What_is_my_Thunderbird_email_address_\" rel=\"nofollow\">What is my Thunderbird email address?<\/a>\n<\/ul>\n<h4> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Other <\/span><\/h4>\n<ul>\n<li> Thunderbird FLOSS Manual &#8211; <a class=\"external text\" href=\"http:\/\/blogs.mozillamessaging.com\/docs\/2010\/12\/08\/thunderbird-floss-manual-done\" rel=\"nofollow\">first edition<\/a>\n<\/ul>\n<h3> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> <a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Thunderbird\/Support\" title=\"Thunderbird\/Support\">Support<\/a> <\/span><\/h3>\n<p>(If you support Thunderbird or write documentation to help support Thunderbird, please <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/mail.mozilla.org\/listinfo\/tb-support-crew\" rel=\"nofollow\">subscribe to the tb-support-crew mailing list<\/a> and briefly introduce yourself to the list)\n<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li> 494 new support topics +17% from last week (423 last week; this week is still a bit down from normal, near Christmas  effect?)\n<li> <a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Thunderbird\/Thunderbird3.1SupportIssues\" title=\"Thunderbird\/Thunderbird3.1SupportIssues\">3.1 Support Issues<\/a>\n<li> Trialling Good Data enhanced analytics for Get Satisfaction &#8211; lots of great info-viz stuff, need to change it to weekly instead of monthly &#8211; example graphic of Average time to 1st Response to a GS topic in 2010 (it&#8217;s decreasing which is good!): <a class=\"external free\" href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/File:Average_Time_to_First_Reply_by_Topic_2010-_GoodData.png\" rel=\"nofollow\">https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/File:Average_Time_to_First_Reply_by_Topic_2010-_GoodData.png<\/a>\n<li> See <a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Thunderbird\/StatusMeetings\/2010-12-14\/SupportAppendix\" title=\"Thunderbird\/StatusMeetings\/2010-12-14\/SupportAppendix\">this week&#8217;s Support Appendix<\/a> for full Get Satisfaction metrics and other support details\n<\/ol>\n<h3> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Lightning Updates <\/span><\/h3>\n<h3> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Status Updates <\/span><\/h3>\n<p>See the <a class=\"external text\" href=\"http:\/\/benjamin.smedbergs.us\/weekly-updates.fcgi\/project\/thunderbird\" rel=\"nofollow\">Mozilla Status Board<\/a> for status updates specific to developers.\n<\/p>\n<h3> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Roundtable Highlights <\/span><\/h3>\n<h3> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Attendees  <\/span><\/h3>\n<div class=\"printfooter\">\nRetrieved from &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Thunderbird\/StatusMeetings\/2010-12-14\">https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Thunderbird\/StatusMeetings\/2010-12-14<\/a>&#8220;<\/div>\n<div>\n<div class=\"catlinks catlinks-allhidden\"><\/div>\n<\/div><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Thunderbird\/StatusMeetings\/2010-12-14 From MozillaWiki &lt; Thunderbird | StatusMeetings last meeting | index | next meeting \u00bb Current Release Schedules Thunderbird 3.3 Alpha 2 Thunderbird 3.1.7 &amp; 3.0.11 Release ETA: January Code freeze: 23rd Nov 23:59 L10n freeze: 23rd Nov 23:59 Builds start: 24th Nov QA with builds start: 29th Nov Beta period starts: 30th Nov Final [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":195,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[209],"tags":[40],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/blog.mozilla.org\/meeting-notes\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/454"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/blog.mozilla.org\/meeting-notes\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/blog.mozilla.org\/meeting-notes\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blog.mozilla.org\/meeting-notes\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/195"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blog.mozilla.org\/meeting-notes\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=454"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/blog.mozilla.org\/meeting-notes\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/454\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/blog.mozilla.org\/meeting-notes\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=454"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blog.mozilla.org\/meeting-notes\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=454"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blog.mozilla.org\/meeting-notes\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=454"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}