{"id":652,"date":"2011-09-21T23:00:08","date_gmt":"2011-09-22T03:00:08","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/blog.mozilla.org\/meeting-notes\/archives\/652"},"modified":"2011-09-21T23:00:08","modified_gmt":"2011-09-22T03:00:08","slug":"firefoxgecko-delivery-meeting-minutes-2011-09-21","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blog.mozilla.org\/meeting-notes\/archives\/652","title":{"rendered":"Firefox\/Gecko Delivery Meeting Minutes: 2011-09-21"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"with-menu\">\n<h1 id=\"page-title\">Firefox\/Planning\/2011-09-21<\/h1>\n<hr>\n<div><span class=\"subpages\">&lt; <a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Firefox\" title=\"Firefox\">Firefox<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Firefox\/Planning\" title=\"Firefox\/Planning\">Planning<\/a><\/span><\/div>\n<p>                                                <a class=\"new\" href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/index.php?title=Firefox\/Planning\/2011-09-14&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1\" title=\"Firefox\/Planning\/2011-09-14 (page does not exist)\">\u00ab previous week<\/a> | <a class=\"mw-redirect\" href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Firefox\/DeliveryMeetings\" title=\"Firefox\/DeliveryMeetings\">index<\/a> | <a class=\"new\" href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/index.php?title=Firefox\/Planning\/2011-09-28&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1\" title=\"Firefox\/Planning\/2011-09-28 (page does not exist)\">next week \u00bb<\/a><\/p>\n<p><b>Planning Meeting Details<\/b>\n<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li> Wednesdays &#8211; 11:00am PDT, 18:00 UTC\n<li> Mountain View Offices: Warp Core Conference Room\n<li> Toronto Offices: Fin du Monde Conference Room\n<li> <a class=\"external text\" href=\"irc:\/\/irc.mozilla.org\/planning\" rel=\"nofollow\">irc.mozilla.org #planning<\/a> for backchannel\n<li> (the <a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Platform#Meetings\" title=\"Platform\">developer meeting<\/a> takes place on Tuesdays)\n<\/ul>\n<p><b>Video\/Teleconference Details &#8211; NEW<\/b>\n<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li> 650-903-0800 or 650-215-1282 x92 Conf# <b>95312<\/b> (US\/INTL)\n<li> 1-800-707-2533 (pin 369) Conf# <b>95312<\/b> (US)\n<li> Vidyo Room: Warp Core\n<li> Vidyo <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/v.mozilla.com\/flex.html?roomdirect.html&amp;key=UK1zyrd7Vhym\" rel=\"nofollow\">Guest URL<\/a>\n<\/ul>\n<div style=\"margin: 1em 0px;padding: 1em;background-color: orange;text-align: center\"><b>REMEMBER<\/b><\/p>\n<div style=\"font-size: x-small\">These notes are read by people who weren&#8217;t able to attend the meeting. Please make sure to include links and context so they can be understood.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>\n<\/p>\n<p>&lt;script&gt;if (window.showTocToggle) { var tocShowText = &#8220;show&#8221;; var tocHideText = &#8220;hide&#8221;; showTocToggle(); } &lt;\/script&gt;<\/p>\n<h2> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Actions from Last Week <\/span><\/h2>\n<p>Michelle to look at data for long tail of mobile flash problem. Can&#8217;t quantify this based on the available data, reviews and feedback don&#8217;t specify the web sites, they just ask for flash player\/plugin:<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"external free\" href=\"http:\/\/input.mozilla.com\/en-US\/?product=mobile&amp;sentiment=sad&amp;date_end=&amp;date_start=&amp;version=7.0&amp;q=flash\" rel=\"nofollow\">http:\/\/input.mozilla.com\/en-US\/?product=mobile&amp;sentiment=sad&amp;date_end=&amp;date_start=&amp;version=7.0&amp;q=flash<\/a><\/p>\n<p><a class=\"external free\" href=\"http:\/\/input.mozilla.com\/en-US\/?q=flash&amp;product=mobile&amp;version=9.0a1&amp;date_start=&amp;date_end=&amp;sentiment=sad\" rel=\"nofollow\">http:\/\/input.mozilla.com\/en-US\/?q=flash&amp;product=mobile&amp;version=9.0a1&amp;date_start=&amp;date_end=&amp;sentiment=sad<\/a><\/p>\n<p><a class=\"external free\" href=\"http:\/\/input.mozilla.com\/en-US\/?q=flash&amp;product=mobile&amp;version=9.0a1&amp;date_start=&amp;date_end=&amp;sentiment=sad\" rel=\"nofollow\">http:\/\/input.mozilla.com\/en-US\/?q=flash&amp;product=mobile&amp;version=9.0a1&amp;date_start=&amp;date_end=&amp;sentiment=sad<\/a>\n<\/p>\n<h2> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Schedule &amp; Progress on <a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Releases\" title=\"Releases\">Upcoming Releases<\/a> <\/span><\/h2>\n<h3> <span class=\"mw-headline\">Firefox Desktop <\/span><\/h3>\n<h4> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Release (3.6, 6) <\/span><\/h4>\n<ul>\n<li> Firefox 3.6.23 went to the 3.6 beta audience yesterday\n<ul>\n<li> Currently planning to ship at the same time as Firefox 7, but it is <b>at risk<\/b>\n<\/ul>\n<\/ul>\n<h4> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Beta (7) <\/span><\/h4>\n<ul>\n<li> <b>We have a <a class=\"external text\" href=\"http:\/\/mozilla.com\/beta\" rel=\"nofollow\">Release Candidate<\/a> for Firefox 7<\/b>\n<li> Had the <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Releases\/Firefox_7\/Final_Signoffs\" rel=\"nofollow\">Firefox 7 signoff meeting<\/a>, we look good for the release on Tuesday\n<ul>\n<li> Note there are a few outstanding sign-offs Christian is tracking down\n<\/ul>\n<\/ul>\n<h4> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Aurora (8) <\/span><\/h4>\n<ul>\n<li> Reminder: The source migration from (mozilla-central \u2192 mozilla-aurora and mozilla-aurora \u2192 mozilla-beta) is <b>Tuesday, 2011-09-27<\/b> (1 week)\n<\/ul>\n<h4> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Nightly (9) <\/span><\/h4>\n<ul>\n<li> Reminder: The source migration from (mozilla-central \u2192 mozilla-aurora and mozilla-aurora \u2192 mozilla-beta) is <b>Tuesday, 2011-09-27<\/b> (1 week)\n<\/ul>\n<h3> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Firefox Mobile  <\/span><\/h3>\n<h4> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> 6  <\/span><\/h4>\n<h4> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> 7  <\/span><\/h4>\n<h4> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> 8  <\/span><\/h4>\n<h4> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> 9  <\/span><\/h4>\n<ul>\n<li> Platform support for Flash on pre-Honeycomb devices landed.\n<ul>\n<li> Mark Finkle working on the UI part to enable flash (Push-To-Play)\n<ul>\n<li> Possibly done in the next few hours.\n<\/ul>\n<li> Need to message that this isn&#8217;t a *great* experience, but does get you out of a pinch when flash is needed.\n<\/ul>\n<\/ul>\n<h3> <span class=\"mw-headline\">Firefox Sync<\/span><\/h3>\n<ul>\n<li> Beta (7) &#8211; <a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Firefox\/Features\/Instant_Sync\" title=\"Firefox\/Features\/Instant Sync\">Instant Sync<\/a>\n<ul>\n<li> Back out of Drop single DeviceInterval to 1 hour <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/bugzilla.mozilla.org\/show_bug.cgi?id=678588\" rel=\"nofollow\">bug 678588<\/a> due to crash bug <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/bugzilla.mozilla.org\/show_bug.cgi?id=598774\" rel=\"nofollow\">bug 598774<\/a> &#8211; Sync team is working to resolve this for a post FF7 release. Possible work around add back original heartbeat code.\n<\/ul>\n<li> Firefox 9+:\n<ul>\n<li> <a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Services\/Sync\/Sync_Setup_Improvements_Desktop\" title=\"Services\/Sync\/Sync Setup Improvements Desktop\">Improving Sync Set Up<\/a> &#8211; In development\n<li> <a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Services\/Sync\/Push_to_device\" title=\"Services\/Sync\/Push to device\">Push to Device<\/a> &#8211; In development\n<li> <a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Services\/Sync\/Addon_Sync\" title=\"Services\/Sync\/Addon Sync\">Addon Sync<\/a> &#8211; In development. You can play with an add-on <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/addons.mozilla.org\/en-US\/firefox\/addon\/send-tab-to-device\/\" rel=\"nofollow\">here<\/a>.\n<\/ul>\n<\/ul>\n<h3> <span class=\"mw-headline\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/AMO\/FlightDeck\/0.9.7\" title=\"AMO\/FlightDeck\/0.9.7\">Add-on Builder<\/a><\/span><\/h3>\n<h3> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Add-on SDK <\/span><\/h3>\n<p>Release (1.1 -&gt; Firefox 7)\n<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li> released last Tuesday, September 13, two weeks before Firefox 7\n<li> 1.0 -&gt; 1.1 repack testing delayed, then stalled on IT issues\n<\/ul>\n<p>Stabilization (1.2 -&gt; Firefox 8)\n<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li> development branch merged to stabilization branch last Tuesday, September 13\n<li> first test build, 1.2b1, spun yesterday, Tuesday, September 20 (<a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/groups.google.com\/forum\/#!topic\/mozilla-labs-jetpack\/mxdyqExj5nw\" rel=\"nofollow\">release announcement<\/a>)\n<li> final release on schedule for Tuesday, October 25, two weeks before Firefox 8\n<li> might move up final release one week to Tuesday, October 18, three weeks before Firefox 8 (<a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/groups.google.com\/forum\/#!topic\/mozilla-labs-jetpack\/e0RkE4zW9ew\" rel=\"nofollow\">discussion<\/a>)\n<\/ul>\n<p>Development (1.3 -&gt; Firefox 9)\n<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li> development begun last Tuesday, September 13\n<li> merge to stabilization branch on schedule for Tuesday, October 25\n<li> as with 1.2, might move up merge and final release one week to ship three weeks before Firefox 9\n<\/ul>\n<h2> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Feedback Summary  <\/span><\/h2>\n<h3> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Desktop <\/span><\/h3>\n<p><b>Firefox 6.0.2<\/b>\n<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li> Definitely an increase in hanging\/not responding over the last couple weeks and possibly crashier.\n<li> EXC in ev handl: errors still very high.\n<\/ul>\n<p><b>Firefox 7.0<\/b>\n<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li> Only solid complaint around http in URL bar\n<li> Possibly a bug around attaching files on email (mail.com\/MobileMe)?? Filing now.\n<li> And extensions.\n<\/ul>\n<p><b>Firefox 8.0<\/b>\n<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li> Nothing new, a few complaints about update frequency still\n<\/ul>\n<p><b>Firefox 9.0<\/b>\n<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li> Crash (no crash reporter) on alice.it <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/bugzilla.mozilla.org\/show_bug.cgi?id=687991\" rel=\"nofollow\">bug 687991<\/a>\n<li> A few complaints that bookmark import doesn&#8217;t work from IE (but we&#8217;re still broken on 6.0, so no idea why it spiked a little &#8212; might be one user wanting attention)\n<\/ul>\n<h3> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Mobile <\/span><\/h3>\n<ul>\n<li>Increased feedback on input for nightly\n<\/ul>\n<p><a class=\"external free\" href=\"http:\/\/input.mozilla.com\/en-US\/?product=mobile&amp;version=9.0a1&amp;sentiment=sad&amp;date_start=2011-09-14&amp;page=3\" rel=\"nofollow\">http:\/\/input.mozilla.com\/en-US\/?product=mobile&amp;version=9.0a1&amp;sentiment=sad&amp;date_start=2011-09-14&amp;page=3<\/a>\n<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Major issue theme is that people don&#8217;t like the tab view in landscape\n<ul>\n<li> But <a class=\"external text\" href=\"http:\/\/ianbarlow.wordpress.com\/2011\/09\/20\/the-tablet-tab-bar\/\" rel=\"nofollow\">look what Ian wrote!<\/a>\n<\/ul>\n<li>43 mobile questions on SUMO this week, 11 unanswered. So, if you are new to Mozilla, answering questions on SUMO is an excellent way to learn about your user&#8217;s pain points and learn the answers to commonly asked questions about your product.\n<\/ul>\n<p><a class=\"external free\" href=\"https:\/\/support.mozilla.com\/en-US\/questions?tagged=mobile\" rel=\"nofollow\">https:\/\/support.mozilla.com\/en-US\/questions?tagged=mobile<\/a>\n<\/p>\n<h2> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> UX &amp; User Research <\/span><\/h2>\n<h2> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> <b>Market Insights<\/b>  <\/span><\/h2>\n<h3> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Desktop <\/span><\/h3>\n<p><b>Windows 8 at BUILD<\/b>\n<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li> Windows app store was not yet available, but will be the gateway to getting apps into the Windows Metro interface.\n<li> Windows Metro applications are written for a new environment, WinRT, and will be compatible across x86 and ARM, traditional ones will not.\n<\/ul>\n<p>\n<b>Internet Explorer 10<\/b>\n<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Microsoft released Platform Preview 3 (PP3) of IE10 with the Windows 8 preview.  PP3 of IE10 will be released on other platforms at a later date.\n<li> The IE10 Metro browser will not support plugins, the traditional desktop browser will.\n<li> IE10 Metro browser is a full screen, &#8220;immersive&#8221; UX with a swipe interface, navigation at the bottom of the screen, tabs at the top; this can be expected to be the same experience on Windows Phone.  The interface appears to be complete.\n<li> IE10 has significant platform updates including 3D visual effects, page layout and local storage.  Full list on <a class=\"external text\" href=\"http:\/\/blogs.msdn.com\/b\/ie\/archive\/2011\/09\/13\/ie10pp3.aspx\" rel=\"nofollow\">MSDN.com<\/a>.\n<\/ul>\n<p>\n<b>Google Chrome<\/b><br \/>\nChrome 14 hits stable channel and includes two significant updates:\n<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li> Web Audio API allows for greater audio effects based on web content\n<li> Native Client (NaCl) -supports only Chrome Web Apps at the moment.\n<\/ul>\n<p>\n<b>Swiffy Beta<\/b><br \/>\nWith the demise of Google Labs, Google released Swiffy as a beta service.  Swiffy is a tool to convert Flash videos to HTML, SVG and CSS.  Firefox is not fully supported by the tool, citing <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/bugzilla.mozilla.org\/show_bug.cgi?id=119490\" rel=\"nofollow\">bug 119490<\/a>. <\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p><b>Safari &amp; DigiNotar<\/b><br \/>\nApple reportedly issed a fix to Safari for DigiNotar certificates on September 9th.<\/p>\n<p>\n<\/p>\n<h3> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Mobile <\/span><\/h3>\n<p>Summary below, full update <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Mobile\/Insights\/2011_Week38\" rel=\"nofollow\">here<\/a> and in your inbox.\n<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li> Opera acquired Handster, a mobile app store solution\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li> Google is preparing for the Ice Cream Sandwich release\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li> Samsung and HTC are also concentrating on their own mobile platforms\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li> Google Wallet, using NFC technology, launched\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li> The first Windows Phone 7.5 updates to be rolled-out to consumers today\n<\/ul>\n<h2> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Marketing, Press &amp; Public Reaction  <\/span><\/h2>\n<ul>\n<li><a class=\"external text\" href=\"http:\/\/www.computerworld.com\/s\/article\/9220166\/Mozilla_ponders_rejects_even_faster_Firefox_release_pace\" rel=\"nofollow\">Mozilla ponders, rejects even faster Firefox release pace<\/a>\n<li><a class=\"external text\" href=\"http:\/\/www.h-online.com\/open\/news\/item\/Mozilla-developers-consider-even-shorter-release-cycle-1347013.html\" rel=\"nofollow\">Mozilla developers consider even shorter release cycle<\/a>\n<li><a class=\"external text\" href=\"http:\/\/www.extremetech.com\/mobile\/96737-mozilla-wants-to-shorten-firefoxs-six-week-release-schedule-to-five-weeks-or-less\" rel=\"nofollow\">Mozilla may shorten Firefox\u2019s six-week release schedule to five weeks\u2026 or less<\/a>\n<\/ul>\n<p>\n<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a class=\"external text\" href=\"http:\/\/www.businessinsider.com\/download-firefox-for-tablets-2011-9\" rel=\"nofollow\">Finally! A Browser For Honeycomb That You&#8217;ll Actually Want To Use<\/a>\n<li><a class=\"external text\" href=\"http:\/\/gadgetbox.msnbc.msn.com\/_news\/2011\/09\/14\/7758373-tab-heaven-firefox-for-android\" rel=\"nofollow\">Tab heaven: Firefox for Android<\/a>\n<li><a class=\"external text\" href=\"http:\/\/arstechnica.com\/open-source\/news\/2011\/09\/hands-on-firefox-mobiles-new-android-tablet-interface.ars\" rel=\"nofollow\">Hands-on: Firefox Mobile&#8217;s new Android tablet interface<\/a>\n<li><a class=\"external text\" href=\"http:\/\/www.pcworld.com\/businesscenter\/article\/240220\/get_an_early_taste_of_firefox_for_android_tablets.html\" rel=\"nofollow\">Get an Early Taste of Firefox for Android Tablets<\/a>\n<li><a class=\"external text\" href=\"http:\/\/www.webmonkey.com\/2011\/09\/test-drive-firefox-for-android-today\/\" rel=\"nofollow\">Test Drive Firefox for Android Today<\/a>\n<\/ul>\n<p>\n<\/p>\n<h2> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Questions, Comments, FYI <\/span><\/h2>\n<ul>\n<li> Christian asked if our current mobile flash feeling was that we would leave it on\n<ul>\n<li> Current plan is to land it, have a UX review before Tuesday, and ship with it\n<\/ul>\n<li> Christian asked if it would be easy to see mobile Flash crashes\n<ul>\n<li> It should as the crashes will be in chrome with content in the stack\n<\/ul>\n<li> Christian asked if Flash on mobile will lead to a worse experience due to sites offering flash content rather than HTML5 content\n<ul>\n<li> We don&#8217;t expose that we support Flash on page load, should be a non-issue\n<\/ul>\n<li> Christian asked what the experimental add-on sync add-on (whew) EOL plan is\n<ul>\n<li> It should disable and uninstall itself when support hits Firefox\n<\/ul>\n<li> Christian talked to Thunderbird folks at the all-hands and we agreed it would be good to have them at this meeting\n<li> Should we have a Web Apps update in this meeting? 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