{"id":703,"date":"2011-11-10T00:00:05","date_gmt":"2011-11-10T04:00:05","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/blog.mozilla.org\/meeting-notes\/archives\/703"},"modified":"2011-11-10T00:00:05","modified_gmt":"2011-11-10T04:00:05","slug":"firefoxgecko-delivery-meeting-minutes-2011-11-09","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blog.mozilla.org\/meeting-notes\/archives\/703","title":{"rendered":"Firefox\/Gecko Delivery Meeting Minutes: 2011-11-09"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"with-menu\">\n<h1 id=\"page-title\">Firefox\/Planning\/2011-11-09<\/h1>\n<hr>\n<div><span class=\"subpages\">&lt; <a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Firefox\" title=\"Firefox\">Firefox<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Firefox\/Planning\" title=\"Firefox\/Planning\">Planning<\/a><\/span><\/div>\n<p>                                                <a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Firefox\/Planning\/2011-11-02\" title=\"Firefox\/Planning\/2011-11-02\">\u00ab previous week<\/a> | <a class=\"mw-redirect\" href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Firefox\/DeliveryMeetings\" title=\"Firefox\/DeliveryMeetings\">index<\/a> | <a class=\"new\" href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/index.php?title=Firefox\/Planning\/2011-11-16&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1\" title=\"Firefox\/Planning\/2011-11-16 (page does not exist)\">next week \u00bb<\/a><\/p>\n<p><b>Planning Meeting Details<\/b>\n<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li> Wednesdays &#8211; 11:00am PDT, 18:00 UTC\n<li> Mountain View Offices: Warp Core Conference Room\n<li> Toronto Offices: Fin du Monde Conference Room\n<li> <a class=\"external text\" href=\"irc:\/\/irc.mozilla.org\/planning\" rel=\"nofollow\">irc.mozilla.org #planning<\/a> for backchannel\n<li> (the <a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Platform#Meetings\" title=\"Platform\">developer meeting<\/a> takes place on Tuesdays)\n<\/ul>\n<p><b>Video\/Teleconference Details &#8211; NEW<\/b>\n<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li> 650-903-0800 or 650-215-1282 x92 Conf# <b>95312<\/b> (US\/INTL)\n<li> 1-800-707-2533 (pin 369) Conf# <b>95312<\/b> (US)\n<li> Vidyo Room: Warp Core\n<li> Vidyo <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/v.mozilla.com\/flex.html?roomdirect.html&amp;key=UK1zyrd7Vhym\" rel=\"nofollow\">Guest URL<\/a>\n<\/ul>\n<div style=\"margin: 1em 0px;padding: 1em;background-color: orange;text-align: center\"><b>REMEMBER<\/b><\/p>\n<div style=\"font-size: x-small\">These notes are read by people who weren&#8217;t able to attend the meeting. Please make sure to include links and context so they can be understood.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>\n<\/p>\n<p>&lt;script&gt;if (window.showTocToggle) { var tocShowText = &#8220;show&#8221;; var tocHideText = &#8220;hide&#8221;; showTocToggle(); } &lt;\/script&gt;<\/p>\n<h2> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Actions from Last Week <\/span><\/h2>\n<ul>\n<li> Blizzard\/Juan to come back on compat issues in Firefox 10 from UA version scraping\n<\/ul>\n<h2> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Schedule &amp; Progress on <a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Releases\" title=\"Releases\">Upcoming Releases<\/a> <\/span><\/h2>\n<h3> <span class=\"mw-headline\">Firefox Desktop <\/span><\/h3>\n<h4> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Release (3.6, 8) <\/span><\/h4>\n<ul>\n<li> Firefox 3.6.24 \u2192 8.0 advertised update is scheduled for <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Releases\/#Other_releases\" rel=\"nofollow\">2011-11-17<\/a>\n<\/ul>\n<h4> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Beta (9) <\/span><\/h4>\n<ul>\n<li> Going to build for Firefox 9 beta 1 today\n<ul>\n<li> We normally build on Tuesday, it was delayed due to some migration issues\n<li> Hopefully pushing to the beta audience on late Thursday or early Friday\n<ul>\n<li> Depends on QA signoff\n<\/ul>\n<\/ul>\n<li> Big change in Fx9 is Type Inference\n<\/ul>\n<h4> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Aurora (10) <\/span><\/h4>\n<ul>\n<li> Daily updates are turned off while we qualify the builds \/ do backouts (as we always do)\n<li> We must fix <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/bugzilla.mozilla.org\/show_bug.cgi?id=700988\" rel=\"nofollow\">bug 700988<\/a> before turning on daily updates\n<\/ul>\n<h4> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Nightly (11) <\/span><\/h4>\n<h3> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Firefox Mobile  <\/span><\/h3>\n<h4> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> 8 <\/span><\/h4>\n<h4> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> 9 <\/span><\/h4>\n<ul>\n<li> Need to remove the &#8220;Install Aurora&#8221; promo (waiting to land)\n<\/ul>\n<h4> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> 10 <\/span><\/h4>\n<ul>\n<li> Disabling Flash by default\n<\/ul>\n<h4> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Native UI <\/span><\/h4>\n<ul>\n<li> <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/quality.mozilla.org\/events\/2011\/11\/07\/firefox-mobile-native-ui-test-day\/\" rel=\"nofollow\">Testday<\/a> on Friday\n<li> Install it: <a class=\"external free\" href=\"http:\/\/ftp.mozilla.org\/pub\/mozilla.org\/mobile\/nightly\/latest-birch-android\/\" rel=\"nofollow\">http:\/\/ftp.mozilla.org\/pub\/mozilla.org\/mobile\/nightly\/latest-birch-android\/<\/a>\n<li> Try it: <a class=\"external free\" href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Fennec\/NativeUI\/NightlyFeatures\" rel=\"nofollow\">https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Fennec\/NativeUI\/NightlyFeatures<\/a>\n<\/ul>\n<h3> <span class=\"mw-headline\">Firefox Sync<\/span><\/h3>\n<ul>\n<li> Firefox 10:\n<ul>\n<li> <a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Services\/Sync\/Sync_Setup_Improvements_Desktop\" title=\"Services\/Sync\/Sync Setup Improvements Desktop\">Improving Sync Set Up<\/a> &#8211; Went into Aurora. Working with Support to make sure we update docs appropriately\n<\/ul>\n<li> Firefox 11+:\n<ul>\n<li> <a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Services\/Sync\/Push_to_device\" title=\"Services\/Sync\/Push to device\">Push to Device<\/a> &#8211; In development. You can play with an add-on <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/addons.mozilla.org\/en-US\/firefox\/addon\/send-tab-to-device\/\" rel=\"nofollow\">here<\/a>. Signing off on UX\n<li> <a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Services\/Sync\/Addon_Sync\" title=\"Services\/Sync\/Addon Sync\">Addon Sync<\/a> &#8211; In development, signing off on UX.\n<li> Java Porting for Sync &#8211; is in progress\n<\/ul>\n<\/ul>\n<h3> <span class=\"mw-headline\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/AMO\/FlightDeck\/0.9.7\" title=\"AMO\/FlightDeck\/0.9.7\">Add-on Builder<\/a><\/span><\/h3>\n<h3> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Add-on SDK <\/span><\/h3>\n<p>Release (1.2 -&gt; Firefox 7, 8)\n<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li> AMO-hosted addons based on SDK 1.1 were repacked to 1.2 last week for Firefox 8 release\n<li> this repack included locally-developed addons, but future repacks will include only Builder-developed ones, per plans previously announced\n<li> repack successful for most such addons (several hundred); authors of six with issues were notified\n<\/ul>\n<p>Stabilization (1.3 -&gt; Firefox 8, 9)\n<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li> 1.3b3 test build released yesterday, Tuesday, November 8 with a number of bug fixes\n<li> 1.3rc1 test build on track for next Tuesday, November 15\n<li> 1.3 final release on track for Tuesday, November 29\n<li> 1.2 tests as compatible with Firefox 9 test builds; thus it does not look like we&#8217;ll need to do a 1.2 -&gt; 1.3 repack\n<\/ul>\n<p>Development (1.4 -&gt; Firefox 9, 10)\n<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li> continues apace, on track to merge to stabilization branch on Tuesday, November 29 and ship on Tuesday, January 10\n<\/ul>\n<h2> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Feedback Summary  <\/span><\/h2>\n<h3> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Desktop <\/span><\/h3>\n<p><b>Firefox 8<\/b>\n<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li> Favicons are lost on bookmark bar\/many sites. <a class=\"external autonumber\" href=\"https:\/\/support.mozilla.com\/en-US\/questions\/893818\" rel=\"nofollow\">[1]<\/a>\n<li> Extensions (especially especially Java Console) but also Roboform, Trusteer, Norton, AVG\n<li> Some people are reporting that accessing pages from the address bar doesn&#8217;t work, have to search\/use bookmarks.\n<li> Very weird: Add-ons manager is completely blank (although extensions are there) and the add-on selection screen didn&#8217;t show. <a class=\"external autonumber\" href=\"https:\/\/support.mozilla.com\/en-US\/questions\/893831\" rel=\"nofollow\">[2]<\/a>\n<li> Possibly crashier\n<\/ul>\n<p><b>General<\/b>\n<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li> We pushed a snippet (again) that broke Restore previous session from about:home. <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/bugzilla.mozilla.org\/show_bug.cgi?id=682944\" rel=\"nofollow\">bug 682944<\/a>\n<\/ul>\n<h3> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Mobile <\/span><\/h3>\n<h2> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> UX &amp; User Research <\/span><\/h2>\n<h2> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> <b>Market Insights<\/b> <\/span><\/h2>\n<h3> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Competitors <\/span><\/h3>\n<ul>\n<li> Javascript\n<ul>\n<li> Intel released a beta Firefox extension for their River Trail project, which allows browser Javascript engines to access the vector processing extensions present on most\/all multicore CPUs.\n<\/ul>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li> Adobe Flash\n<ul>\n<li> Adobe announced they will not continue to develop the mobile Flash browser plug-in, but will rather focus efforts on their AIR platform for mobile.\n<\/ul>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li> Windows XP \/ Windows 7\n<ul>\n<li> Windows XP&#8217;s market share is starting to decrease more rapidly as enterprises move to (finally) adopt Windows 7. Net Applications said that Windows&#8217; market share dropped 2.5% in October alone, and is now at 48%.\n<\/ul>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li> Windows 8\n<ul>\n<li> All tile updates\/notifications in the Metro interface will be &#8220;data-driven&#8221;, in that they will be pushed from application backends to Microsoft&#8217;s &#8220;Windows Push Notification Service&#8221;, analogous to Apple&#8217;s APNS and Google&#8217;s Cloud to Device Messaging service.\n<\/ul>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li> IE10\n<ul>\n<li> The IE10 team provided more detail regarding their implementation of spell-checking in IE10, which will, for commonly-misspelled words, also offer auto-correction. It will also offer full support for the HTML5 spellcheck attribute for content input elements.\n<\/ul>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li> IE9\n<ul>\n<li> Microsoft also unveiled a promotion, apparently aimed at Firefox and Chrome users on Vista and Windows 7, where users who upgrade to IE9 can obtain free movie tickets or Hulu streaming, despite the fact that Windows XP users are not permitted to upgrade to IE9.\n<\/ul>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li> Webkit\n<ul>\n<li> Recent changes have given Apple&#8217;s JavaScriptCore another 3.8% speed improvement on Kraken and 3.5% on v8, with parallel tracing added to garbage collection, reducing pauses by 50% in regular usage.\n<ul>\n<li> Microsoft indicated that one of their upcoming products will require the addition of an allow-popups directive to the iframe sandbox, so the Webkit team added it this week.\n<li> A compile-time flag has been added for CSS Shaders, indicating that work there will be commencing soon.\n<\/ul>\n<\/ul>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li> Google Chrome\n<ul>\n<li> Google, in their beta channel, released the &#8220;sign in to Chrome&#8221; feature, allowing, as with Firefox Sync, for profiles to be synchronized across devices and for more than one user to share the same device without commingling bookmarks and other settings.\n<\/ul>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li> Apple Safari\n<ul>\n<li> Sencha proclaims that Safari on the iPhone 4s and iOS 5 as providing the best mobile HTML5 developer platform, citing its speedy canvas, WebGL, device compass, web workers, and XHR level 2 support.\n<\/ul>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li> Bonus: Javascript growth on top websites\n<ul>\n<li> There&#8217;s been a 35% growth in average amount of Javascript included on the Top 12,000 websites globally in the last 12 months, as reported by httparchive.org: <a class=\"external free\" href=\"http:\/\/bit.ly\/vjTsv2\" rel=\"nofollow\">http:\/\/bit.ly\/vjTsv2<\/a>\n<\/ul>\n<\/ul>\n<h3> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Mobile <\/span><\/h3>\n<p>Summary below, full update <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Mobile\/Insights\/2011_Week45\" rel=\"nofollow\">here<\/a> and in your inbox.\n<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li> Samsung became the biggest smartphone vendor in Q3, followed by Apple, Nokia, HTC and RIM\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li> 44% of all Android devices run on v2.3, with 41% on v2.2 and 11% on v 2.1, but Android fragmentation is a costly business\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li> The next version of Google TV will run on Android\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li> Adobe will stop working on Flash for mobile\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li> Opera announced 131 million users for Opera Mini and released platform stats\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li> Sony now fully owns SonyEricsson, and new rumours of WebOS acquisition surface\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li> Quad-core Tegra 3 phones are on their way\n<\/ul>\n<h2> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Marketing, Press &amp; Public Reaction  <\/span><\/h2>\n<h2> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Questions, Comments, FYI <\/span><\/h2>\n<ul>\n<li> Christian announced a script to scrape input and generate CSVs last week. There was a bug in it for certain types of queries\n<ul>\n<li> <b>Cheng was right<\/b>! We generally have more negative feedback than positive in input\n<ul>\n<li> There is surely selection bias in there so the more interesting information is trends and comparing various Firefox versions\n<\/ul>\n<li> If you are using the script, make sure you have the latest, which is confirmed fixed\n<\/ul>\n<li> I think I remember hearing that Fx 9 might be the last XUL version of Firefox mobile. Is that still the plan? Will Firefox 10 be the native UI version of mobile that&#8217;s on nightlies now?\n<li> Myk: I started the <a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Jetpack\/Features\" title=\"Jetpack\/Features\">Jetpack Features<\/a> working group to investigate the feasibility of shipping core Firefox features as default addons built with the Add-on SDK.\n<li> <b>If you&#8217;re going to a MozCamp<\/b>, make sure to point people excited about NativeUI to the new <a class=\"external text\" href=\"http:\/\/www.mozilla.org\/mobile\/testdrivers\" rel=\"nofollow\">Mobile Test Drivers Program<\/a> (<a class=\"external free\" href=\"http:\/\/www.mozilla.org\/mobile\/testdrivers\" rel=\"nofollow\">http:\/\/www.mozilla.org\/mobile\/testdrivers<\/a>).\n<\/ul>\n<h2> <span class=\"mw-headline\"> Actions this week <\/span><\/h2>\n<ul>\n<li> Johnathan to talk to engagement about <a class=\"external text\" href=\"https:\/\/bugzilla.mozilla.org\/show_bug.cgi?id=682944\" rel=\"nofollow\">bug 682944<\/a>, and our process for snippet QA\n<\/ul>\n<div class=\"printfooter\">\nRetrieved from &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Firefox\/Planning\/2011-11-09\">https:\/\/wiki.mozilla.org\/Firefox\/Planning\/2011-11-09<\/a>&#8220;<\/div>\n<div class=\"catlinks catlinks-allhidden\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"visualClear\"><\/div>\n<\/p><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Firefox\/Planning\/2011-11-09 &lt; Firefox | Planning \u00ab previous week | index | next week \u00bb Planning Meeting Details Wednesdays &#8211; 11:00am PDT, 18:00 UTC Mountain View Offices: Warp Core Conference Room Toronto Offices: Fin du Monde Conference Room irc.mozilla.org #planning for backchannel (the developer meeting takes place on Tuesdays) Video\/Teleconference Details &#8211; NEW 650-903-0800 or 650-215-1282 [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":195,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[209],"tags":[30],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/blog.mozilla.org\/meeting-notes\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/703"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/blog.mozilla.org\/meeting-notes\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/blog.mozilla.org\/meeting-notes\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blog.mozilla.org\/meeting-notes\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/195"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blog.mozilla.org\/meeting-notes\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=703"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/blog.mozilla.org\/meeting-notes\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/703\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/blog.mozilla.org\/meeting-notes\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=703"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blog.mozilla.org\/meeting-notes\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=703"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blog.mozilla.org\/meeting-notes\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=703"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}