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SeaMonkey: 2015-04-28

Filed under: Posts — Tags: — Jesper Kristensen @ 11:00 pm


  • Who’s taking minutes? -> TBD
  • Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
    • TBD

Action Items

(who needs to do what that hasn’t been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.



  • bug 1150082 SeaMonkey Donation Page is using the PayPal all or nothing version, instead of the usual either/or one. Mcsmurf is investigating.
  • Official SeaMonkey Blog: Some progress with the SSL certificate issue. With the certificate, things would work easier as mcsmurf wants to sync the blog with Facebook entries. Meta bug 1147825 covers the blog work.
  • bug 1121281 tracks the RelEng automation migration off CVS. Currently two option patches awaiting for Callek’s decision. Once settled, ewong will follow up with RelEng patches based on that decision.


  • bug 1057920 SeaMonkey’s CVS dependency really should be removed. (currently used only for Releng Automation, and SeaMonkey Website).
    • This has been spun off into a separate bugs for the website and the rest. Ewong is poking at things related to Release Automation.
    • Move of the website from CVS to hg was due to happen on Monday bug 1150335.
    • Need to check all website links (e.g. Document History) now point to the correct place – Jens?

Random news

  • A Mozillazine member Havin_it has managed to set up a working Fx Accounts server [1]. I’ve encouraged him to create a wiki page to document the steps needed for building a working server. I should ask ewong to follow up on this.
  • Community member Martin Mokrejs [2] has learnt how to do debug builds and is busy filing bugs [3]. Can someone please contact him and invite him to the SeaMonkey irc channel and/or our developer newsgroup?

Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree

  • Notes:
    • Windows nightly trunk builds arewere running again briefly (thanks to Callek and Ewong) but are down again due to bug 1108970. Migrating our Windows builders to VS2013 would likely solve this and other bustages.
    • VS2010 support was removed from mozilla-central on 15th December (bug 1092468). Our Windows slaves are in the process of being upgraded to Win2008 and VS2013 (bug 1114876). There are also some upcoming changes to L10n build system in Q1 2015 (bug 1107635).
    • Buildmaster is up and running, and produces en-US builds, see 9/16 meeting’s Friends of the Fish Tank. Builds and langpacks in 18 languages including en-US are available unofficially thanks to A.Kalla. Edit: However, only 9 languages are published daily for trunk there, and en-GB is not one of them. For Aurora I didn’t check. — Tonymec (talk) 16:49, 21 January 2015 (PST)
    • bug 1083689 Langpacks aren’t updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren’t uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).
    • Should be fixed. Waiting for verification. The langpacks need strict versioning e.g. min 2.30 max 2.30.* which makes sense since you don’t want 2.29 strings with 2.30 KaiRo has landed a fix in bug 1084258 (Language pack compatibility should be bound to Gecko branch, else undefined entity errors possible).
    • For various reasons we don’t have a working SeaMonkey TBPLTreeherder.
    • SeaMonkey’s release/website processes have been migrated to Mercurial.
  • [28th April 2015]
    • Windows nightly, aurora and beta builds are broken. Will be fixed by upgrading to Windows Server 2K8 and Visual Studio 2013 (bug 1114876).
    • All Trees
      • OSX64:
        • Build – Orange : bug 958812 – References of firefox.dmg hard-coded in Mozharness tests.
    • [comm-central]:
      • All Nightlies are red due to bug 1155013 as we now require the use of a Socorro token. (Getting the token is tracked by bug 1155011). Currently waiting on what user account will be used for the tokens. rhelmer to advise ewong on this. Also SeaMonkey will need to switch the build process to the new way of symbol uploading.
  • See RelEng page for the RelEng status history.
  • In Bug 902876 Comment 12 Mcsmurf is waiting for feedback from the build team on how to proceed.

Release Train

  • SeaMonkey 2.33.1 was released on 23 March and is the most recent release.
  • No scheduled ETA for 2.34 beta 1 yet – depends on fixing bug 1114876
    • Need to look at possibility of a further 2.33.x release if no 2.34
    • there were 15 security fixes (5 of which critical) in the Gecko 37 cycle so far
    • Firefox has merged mozilla-beta into mozilla-release already, in preparation of the 38.0 ESR branch
    • next scheduled merge day is 11 May
  • Discussion on whether it’s worth it to do a 2.34 Beta or skip straight to a 2.35 beta – probably the latter.

Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking

  • See Basics page. Please only list current changes here.
  • Addon Compatibility Listings
  • Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey
    This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf – it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there’s only so much an automated tool like that can do.
    • Lemon Juice continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [4].
    • Rainer Bielefeld together with other community members have been updating the list of Firefox addons that have been successfully converted by the Addon Converter.
    • Ratty filed bug 1130390 to add a link on to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.
  • SeaMonkey 2.33 and Lightning 3.8b1/3.8b2 shows no events or tasks. bug 1144285
    • The problem is that both Thunderbird and Lightning are build with Visual C++ 2013 but SeaMonkey is still build with Visual C++ 2010. Therefore the SeaMonkey installer contains only the VS2010 (msvcp100.dll/msvcr100.dll) files but not the VS2013 (msvcp120.dll/msvcr120.dll) files. The SeaMonkey switch to VS2013 is tracked in Bug 1092468.
  • The Thunderbird team is planning to ship Lightning with Thunderbird. IanN thinks we will want to ship lightning too. We should coordinate with Thunderbird. Related bugs:
    • bug 1130854 Package Lightning with Thunderbird for c-c and c-a builds.
    • bug 1113183 Integrate Lightning Into Thunderbird by Default.
    • bug 1130852 Add opt-in dialog to promote Calendar integration [Thunderbird].
  • Proposed replacement for Venkman for shipping with SeaMonkey: Tiny JavaScript Debugger. TinyJSD is a JavaScript debugger for privileged code running Mozilla products like Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey. It serves to debug the application as well as extensions written in JavaScript.
    • IanN filed bug 1133723 Investigate options for replacing Venkman with the TinyJSDebugger.
  • Our build team needs to automate DOMI branch selection rather than having to tweak the every 6 weeks. bug 763506

2.x (Last, Current, Next)


open tracking (0)
tracking requests (1)
targeted (0)
fixed (20)


  • Stalled. Needs a kick.
    • bug 815954 Click-to-Play: Port bug 812562 (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).
    • bug 476108 GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].
  • Current breakages:
    • bug 995737 adapt seamonkey for the address book remote content policy change; use permission manager instead of address book property.
  • Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:
    • Firefox is currently changing styles of several Toolkit pages
      • already affected: config.xul for about:config, bug 1125636
      • Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: bug 1097111 – SeaMonkey tracking in bug 1133743
      • Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles
      • Fallout thus far: bug 1133380 about:privatebrowsing (Default), bug 1133582 about:config (Modern)
    • Our front end Sync UI needs to be updated as the old backend is going away in Gecko/Firefox 31. See: New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly. Tracked in:
      • bug 998807 Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
      • bug 1003434 Add support for about:sync-progress.
      • Update SeaMonkey won’t be allowed to use the Firefox Sync 1.5 servers. Ewong is looking into hosting our own FxAccount server on a community machine or VPS.
    • A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.
    • bug 566746 (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:
      • bug 912031 Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite.
    • bug 769764 move proxy resolution to separate thread and remove sync api. Tracked in:
      • MailNews bug 791645 Rewrite calls to synchronous nsIProtocolProxyService::DeprecatedBlockingResolve with Async code before DeprecatedBlockingResolve disappears as well.
    • The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned. Firefox has migrated to jsdownloads. Thunderbird is in the process of migrating. We need to decide how we are going to handle this sooner rather than later.
    • bug 825588 Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and bug 851471 Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:
      • bug 888915 Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned.

Feature List, Planning

Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: 33 new, 15 fixed, 14 triaged.

  • Low-medium triaging effort, slightly higher than average number of new bugs filed.
  • IanN thinks it would be useful to remind people on the newsgroups / forums that they can contribute by triaging. Tonymec will post a reminder to newsgroups / forums. See bug 1092632 (Sm_tri_HowTo) Document how to triage SeaMonkey bugs.
    • The draft is currently at
    • Progress is stalled due to hardware/firmware problems with Tonymec’s current computer. Current ETA for newer computer is after Easter but this is a rough estimate. Anyone with a wikimoz account can edit the page (and is welcome to). — Tonymec (talk) 17:35, 21 January 2015 (PST)

Open reviews/flags:
42 review
5 super-review
4 ui-review
7 feedback

  • See Feature List page for major wanted/needed features.
  • TODO:
    • We will need to update our Sync UI code due to the new Sync API. MoCo will not allow us to use FxAccounts (the new Sync API). We might want to update our code anyway just in case. One possibility is to set up our own Sync 1.5 server on a Community machine.
    • Bug 1127784 proposes to add a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions.

Roundtable – Personal Status Updates

Status Updates from developers – what are you working on, what’s the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).


  • Usual testing, reviewing and commenting.
  • Fixed:
    • bug 1158774 Port |bug 1155776 – move USE_EXTENSION_MANIFEST to| to comm-central – SeaMonkey Port
  • Fixed for c-c:
    • bug 1158774 Port |bug 1155776 – move USE_EXTENSION_MANIFEST to| to comm-central – Thunderbird Port
  • Fixed for m-c:
    • bug 1158774 Port |bug 1155776 – move USE_EXTENSION_MANIFEST to| to comm-central – Inspector and Chatzilla Ports
  • Fixed for m-i:
  • Pending check in:
    • bug 1158774 Port |bug 1155776 – move USE_EXTENSION_MANIFEST to| to comm-central – Calendar Port
  • Checked in pending review:
  • Waiting for feedback/review/information:
  • Fixing review comments before checkin:
    • bug 757230 When using add button for permissions in Data Manager set a displayHost
    • bug 798147 Switch to correct pref pane if pref window already open
  • Working on:
    • bug 1155290 stop using XULAPP_DEFINES for suite/debugQA/
    • bug 1051642 Allow for flat chrome format when packaging extensions
    • bug 943335 [TB] Update icons used in searchplugins (Yahoo, eBay, Wikipedia, Amazon, Bing, Twitter)
    • Various SM Council documents.
    • bug 606683 Allow customization of toolbar in Composer and MailNews Composition
    • bug 639690 [META] Re-arrange code between editor and editorOverlay
    • bug 773979 [META] Switch to new drag and drop api in SeaMonkey
    • bug 657234 Move pasteQuote and pasteNoFormatting into contentAreaContextOverlay
    • File/Folder selection in windows.
  • To Do:
    • bug 639395 Get cmd_fontSize to reflect current state of selected content / content at caret.
    • Prefs-in-a-tab.
    • Create FAQ for Friends of the Fish Tank.
    • Help get composer standalone builds working with –enable-tests.


Pushed to comm-central:

  • bug 1148191 getURLAndPostDataForKeyword() is deprecated, please use PlacesUtils.keywords.fetch() instead.

Pushed to comm-central, needs comm-aurora uplift:

  • bug 1156017 Can’t save web site passwords from doorhanger.

Pushed to comm-central, needs comm-aurora and comm-beta uplift:

  • bug 1156088 Doorhangers display useless “Learn more…” link when using the Modern theme.

Pushed to comm-central, comm-aurora and comm-beta:

  • bug 1148330 Exclude Linux generic fonts from font menulists.
  • bug 1152045 Email address missing from “From” field if the identityName pref was set.

Pushed to mozilla-central:

  • bug 1140105 Wrong font displayed in font menu when selection is collapsed.

Pushed to comm-beta:

  • bug 1098350 Need to refactor SeaMonkey Preferences and UI because bug 530209 replaced the browser.urlbar.default.behavior preference with a more flexible scheme (branch patch).

Waiting for review:

  • bug 1098350 Need to refactor SeaMonkey Preferences and UI because bug 530209 replaced the browser.urlbar.default.behavior preference with a more flexible scheme (trunk patch).

Still waiting for review:

I’m also looking into porting the Download Manager to Downloads.jsm (unfortunately I was struggling with a build failure that turned out to be down to Windows 10 Technical Preview resetting the increaseuserva setting).


Random Notes

  • Ask IanN to look into bug 1155290
  • Clarify plan on dealing with the removal of the download manager C++ backend in /toolkit/ (1) copy necessary files to c-c/suite/common/downloads/ (2) migrate code to use the new jsdownloads API. (3) panic. Decommission heads up from Firefox developers [5]
  • Chase InvisibleSmiley on getting a link to the Addon Converter added to the SeaMonkey landing page.
  • Talk to the Dataviz people on how to generate public views ourselves.

Checked-in on CLOSED TREE:

  • bug 683728 Walking the references doesn’t fully work (msgWindow.openFolder is null).
  • bug 1147456 “View -> Page Info: Copy any information from list does not modify clipboard.
  • bug 1148798 nsSuiteGlue.js error NS_ERROR_UNEXPECTED when running tests because “app.update.lastUpdateTime.background-update-timer” isn’t set.
  • bug 1122906 First right-click on textarea shows huge contextmenu.
  • bug 1130790 Print Preview missing in composition window.
  • bug 1140353 Welcome text contains hyperlink to Thunderbird information.


  • Packaging updates.
  • Safe Browsing updates.
  • The Addon-SDK compatibility functions (gContextMenuContentData, CustomizableUI, etc).

Working on:

  • bug 1145519 toggleSidebar shortcut command is broken in SeaMonkey for Firefox-style sidebars.
  • bug 1153577 Users should be able to hide the menubar and show it with the ALT key.
  • bug 1157433 The Addon-SDK expects gContextMenuContentData to exist in the context menu code.
  • bug 1158496 JavaScript error: …/nsSuiteGlue.js, line 291: NS_NOINTERFACE: Component returned failure code: 0x80004002 (NS_NOINTERFACE) [nsIWebProgress.DOMWindow].


  • bug 1133355 The Properties button and context menuitem should be disabled when multiple cards are selected.
  • bug 1156777 nsParseMailbox.cpp:505:55: error: ‘do_QueryObject’ was not declared in this scope.

Other stuff:

  • Did some reviews and approvals.
  • Bug triage and Bug discussions.
  • Usual end user support and PR in newsgroups and Mozillazine.


Checked in on trunk:

  • bug 1140204 Rename “Encoding” to “Text Encoding” in Page Info labels (Toolkit bug 951695). (follow-up pending)
  • bug 1139004 Rename all “Character Encoding” to “Text Encoding” in Help content (Toolkit bug 951695).
  • bug 1137991 Remove SSLv3 option from SSL panel in Privacy & Security panel. (also comm-aurora)
  • bug 1127784 [EME] Add a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions. (preference part, c-a/c-b)
  • bug 1144719 Allow the user to decide whether or not to use libnotify for new-mail alerts on Linux. (MailNews Core, c-a/c-b)

Waiting for checkin:

  • bug 1140204 Rename “Encoding” to “Text Encoding” in Page Info labels (Toolkit bug 951695). (follow-up patch)

Waiting for comm-release approval:

  • bug 1144719 Allow the user to decide whether or not to use libnotify for new-mail alerts on Linux. (MailNews Core, if any 2.33.2/2.34 is released)

Waiting for ui-review:

  • bug 1127784 [EME] Add a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions. (prefpane part)

Waiting for review:

  • bug 1032302 8BITMIME keyword ignored in EHLO greeting, BODY=8BITMIME absent in MAIL request for 8-bit transfers. (MailNews)
  • bug 1144693 New-mail notifications not always working since bug 858919 enabled libnotify usage on Linux again. (MailNews)
    • mitigating patch to set pref default after landing of bug 1144719.

On the list:

  • bug 1149581 Remove SSLv3 strings from SSL panel in Privacy & Security preferences.
    • once bug 1137991 has hit the releases (timing unclear on the Firefox/Core side).
  • bug 1152644 Add UI in Notifications preference pane whether or not to use libnotify for new-mail alerts on Linux.
  • bug 1141324 Upgrade the SSL panel in Privacy & Security preferences to refer to TLS {instead,too}.


  • Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.
  • End-user information and discussion on MozillaZine.

Any other business?

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