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3-February-2016

SeaMonkey: 2016-02-02

Filed under: Posts — Tags: — Jesper Kristensen @ 12:00 am

Agenda

  • Who’s taking minutes? -> Ratty
  • Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
    • No nominees this time

Action Items

(who needs to do what that hasn’t been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

NEW

OPEN

CLOSED

Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree

  • Notes:
    • Callek: Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I’m hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I’m realistic expecting it won’t be until january at earliest.
    • Ewong will set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine.
      • The loaner machine was decommissioned without notice.
      • Got a new loaner.
    • Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as bug 1092468 and bug 1108970. Migrating our Windows builders to Win2008 and our compiler toolchain to VS2013 would likely solve this and other bustages.
    • There are also some upcoming changes to L10n build system in Q1 2015 (bug 1107635).
    • Even en-US builds have stopped again. The latest trunk nightlies were 2.43a1 dated 9-Jan-2016 for L32 & L64, 6-Jan-2016 for Mac, and 2.42a1 dated 11-Nov-2015 for W32. No 2.44a1 yet, to parallel Firefox 47.0a1 which is being published every night (or every day depending on your timezone).
    • bug 1083689 Langpacks aren’t updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren’t uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).
    • For various reasons we don’t have a working SeaMonkey Treeherder.
    • wrt bug 1155011, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on bug 1155013 require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.
  • [2nd February 2016]
    • [Tonymec] Building has stopped since 9 January. No tinderbox builds either. [frg] c-c would be clear to me. c-a pulls the wrong Chatzilla and Inspector again. Not sure if this is the cause. See bug 1167346. [IanN] ewong|away has mentioned looking at Jenkins.
  • [19th January 2016]
    • [comm-central]
  • [8th December 2015]
  • No Update. Ewong is hospitalized. Get well soon!
  • Excluding Windows, the tree is green for most part. We’re down one osx64 slave.
  • Re: Tests. Still broken.
    • Currently bug 1209378 is in progress to fix the perma-brokeness of our testing infrastructure; but it is ‘hard’.
  • See RelEng page for the RelEng status history.

Release Train

  • SeaMonkey 2.39 was released November 8th, 2015.
  • SeaMonkey 2.40 final (tracking bug 1233615) is in progress:
    • en-US build #4 are up for all platforms
    • localized builds are up for Linux and Mac OSX
    • new Windows loaner having issues with l10n builds
  • Merges were performed January 25th as scheduled.
  • Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: Releases Scheduling

Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking

  • See Basics page. Please only list current changes here.
  • Addon Compatibility Listings
  • Lightning betas are up for both 2.40 and 2.41.
  • We are looking for a new place to host the Addon Compatibility Listings for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in this post.
  • Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/
    This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf – it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there’s only so much an automated tool like that can do.
    • Lemon Juice continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [1].
    • looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [2], bug 1145026.
    • Rainer Bielefeld will no longer update the list of Firefox addons that have been successfully converted by the Addon Converter. — Rrbd (talk) 09:59, 16 August 2015 (PDT)
    • Ratty filed bug 1130390 to add a link on seamonkey-projects.org to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.
    • The AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, seems mature. (It had 9 successive revisions between 27 September and 3 October, and no change since then.) It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a “built-in extension” besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane; the extension actually does much more than the bug’s Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid “You need Firefox 10 or later” popups.
  • The Thunderbird team is now shipping Lightning with Thunderbird. IanN will work on shipping lightning too. Related bugs:
    • bug 516026 Integrate Lightning Into SeaMonkey by Default and Ship SeaMonkey with Lightning Enabled
    • bug 1130854 Package Lightning with Thunderbird for c-c and c-a builds.
    • bug 1113183 Integrate Lightning Into Thunderbird by Default.
    • bug 1130852 Add opt-in dialog to promote Calendar integration [Thunderbird].
  • Ratty has the Firefox Devtools up and running. We can now use the Firefox Devtools debugger in both remote and local mode.
    • Venkman is now totally retired R.I.P..

2.x (Last, Current, Next)

2.40

open tracking (0)
tracking requests (6)
targeted (0)
fixed (15)

2.Next

  • We have official permission to use the Firefox FxA 2.0 sync servers! We need someone to work on porting sync 2.0 over to replace legacy sync code. The finer details of how are so far unknown, but we should have a usable solution before legacy sync is turned off. See: New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly. Tracked in:
    • bug 998807 Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
    • bug 1003434 Add support for about:sync-progress.
  • Stalled. Needs a kick.
    • bug 815954 Click-to-Play: Port bug 812562 (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).
    • bug 476108 GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].
  • Current breakages:
    • bug 1243760 Replace nsPIDOMWindow with nsPIDOMWindowInner/Outer in comm-central due to bug 1241764.
    • bug 1244758 Rename nsAutoTArray to AutoTArray in Mailnews due to bug 1235261 (bustage fix).
    • bug 1209875 did break any builds of 2.41+ containing a localized ChatZilla – bug 1213641 filled
    • No en-US trunk builds later than 30 November yet (or even 11 November on win32). Aurora is currently building on Linux (L32 / L64) only.
  • Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:
    • Changes to Safe Browsing.
    • Firefox is currently changing styles of several Toolkit pages
      • already affected: config.xul for about:config, bug 1125636
      • Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: bug 1097111 – SeaMonkey tracking in bug 1133743
      • Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles
      • Fallout thus far: bug 1133582 about:config (Modern)
      • Ratty restored about:privatebrowsing UI to before it was messed up by Project Chameleon styles [bug 1192276]. Subsequent to Chameleon, Firefox developers have again redesigned the about:privatebrowsing UI to include UI for tracking protection. We should look into picking any changes we like.
      • mozilla-central bug 1189918 and bug 1190465 allow to fork Toolkit style pages for the classic/default/modern theme without harming theme developers. SeaMonkey bug 1022354 will move theme overrides to the theme manifests.
        • affected pages that should be reverted are about:config [bug 1222816], about:addons [bug 1222817], about:support [bug 1222818] (look ok in Modern but hurt in the Default theme).
    • A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.
    • bug 566746 (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:
      • bug 912031 Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite.
    • The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.
    • bug 825588 Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and bug 851471 Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:
      • bug 888915 Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. Neil has a WIP patch on hand.
    • We’ve picked up he default for security.tls.version.min from Mozilla Core, but security.tls.version.fallback-limit is new. So we need to consider adding the latter to our preferences UI (bug 1123673).
      • Currently unclear whether or not this should be done after bug 1084025 disable insecure TLS version fallback entirely by default [3]
      • alternative proposal is to make whitelist for acceptable fallback sites available in the UI, which seems to make more sense.
  • bug 1198340 The carousel within Add-On Manager can be used for SeaMonkey specific content. TO DO: Find out what sort of format AMO needs for the carousel. Get our webdev person to create necessary content. Submit content for upload to AMO.
    • Unfortunately nobody knows exactly how addons.mozilla.works because there’s no full time developer working on AMO. Ratty was given bug 1009759 as an example. So now we need someone who knows python+django.
    • About specific aspects of this problem, see: bug 1230796, bug 1230804, bug 1230806 and maybe more.
    • [Ratty] The url for the discovery pane is set in a pref. Instantbird points the URL to a chrome XUL document. If we do this we don’t have to worry about the python stuff.

Feature List, Planning

Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: 20 new, 7 fixed, 12 triaged.

  • low-medium triaging effort, low number of new bugs filed.
  • Ratty has a SeaMonkey build with a working Firefox Devtools!!!! Relevant patches:
    • bug 1208112 Package DevTools client in SeaMonkey now that it’s been moved out of /browser/ [checked-in].
    • bug 1223338 Add DevTools client L10N language files to SeaMonkey builds [checked-in].
    • bug 1223341 Add the Firefox Devtools to the SeaMonkey UI. Waiting for review.
    • bug 1223344 Some tweaks to gDevTools.jsm to get Devtools working in SeaMonkey [Devtools]. Waiting for review.
    • Not working yet: WebIDE and Responsive Design. But everything else seems to work.
  • Mozilla wants to separate Firefox and Thunderbird, in infrastructure and organizationally, which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well
  • Fundamental core features Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:
    • bug 1222546 Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
      • if effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes disfunct
      • no sufficiently plausible specifics provided ‘why’ full themes ‘must’ no longer be supported
      • may prohibit Modern theme being shipped with or installed in SeaMonkey
      • removal is “decided” without any clear alternative envisioned
    • The toolkit help viewer is going away. Neil is working on resuscitating the old XPFE help viewer which apparently has more features.
  • IanN thinks it would be useful to remind people on the newsgroups / forums that they can contribute by triaging. Tonymec will post a reminder to newsgroups / forums. See bug 1092632 (Sm_tri_HowTo) Document how to triage SeaMonkey bugs.
    • The HowTo page has been moved to SeaMonkey/QA/Triage HowTo. No one having objected (or even reacted), bug 1092632 is now RESOLVED FIXED. See its comment #18 for the announcement URLs.

Open reviews/flags:
64 review
6 super-review
1 ui-review
12 feedback

  • See Feature List page for major wanted/needed features.
  • TODO:
    • Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
      • bug 1127784 added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
      • more work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
  • What about declaring linux-x86_64 builds found at seamonkey-project.org and at ftp.m.o as “official” ?

On October 7 two people asked in #seamonkey at a few minutes’ interval when there would be “official” 64-bit SM builds for Linux. I pointed them to the x86_64 release at the bottom of the “Other languages” release page for 2.38 and to the x86_64 2.40a2 aurora & 2.41a1 trunk builds at the bottom of the ftp.m.o nightly/latest-comm-* pages but they said these were not “official”.

So — how are we going to get out of the following vicious circle? 64-bit builds are not “official” because too few users, and users don’t install them (some even prefer compiling their own) because they aren’t “official”.

Maybe change the online documentation? (perhaps as part of bug 1208822 “System Requirements page needs update”?)

Tonymec (talk) 13:56, 7 October 2015 (PDT)

  • [ewong:] what’s the prerequisites of making the Linux64 builds ‘official’ aside for the issue of getting the tests done for Linux64; but our testing infrastructure is busted. bug 1209378

— Discussion on locale translations for DOMi and Chatzilla —

  • [frg] Localized Chatzilla builds currently break suite compile starting with 2.41. See bug 1229810 Port bug 1228444 and bug 1228467 to Chatzilla.
  • [IanN] The tagging has fixed the issue for chatzilla before 2.41 but more is needed for 2.41 and above?
  • [frg] Yes. The optional language xpi will not compile in 2.41 and is broken in 2.42 and up. install.rdf missing. The main xpi is fine.
  • [IanN] Can you spin a bug off with the steps to generate the optional language xpi for 2.41 along with any errors, similarly another one for 2.42 and up. If it ends up being the same fix, not a problem, bugs are cheap. just cc me.
  • [IanN] Ratty: do we need to start looking at how to overlay Chatzilla and DOMi on top of the TB’s new merged (c-c + m-c) repository?
  • [Ratty] Not sure. I hope we can continue doing what we have been doing using nested repositories. However in the new merged repository. The comm-central client.py is replaced by the mozilla-central client.py so I don’t know how this will work.
  • [IanN] Merging DOMi into comm-central would make SeaMonkey releases easier. We just need to sort out locale building for DOMi.

Roundtable – Personal Status Updates

Status Updates from developers – what are you working on, what’s the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).

frg

Waiting for review:

  • bug 1188348 data manager: domains invisible for Permissions, Preferences, Passwords. New version 6 patch just built.
  • bug 1200263 Help → Report Web Forgery … does nothing.
  • bug 1240284 Linker Warnings LNK4222 and LNK4017 when building Suite. Still need to build the upstream sdk patch.

Working on:

  • bug 1055954 popup exceptions are not added. I first thought about closing it as a duplicate of the Data Manager bug but the menu in Navigator is just bad. Will change it so that it resembles the cookie and image menu and not transfer control to Data Manager. WIP patch still needs some work but looks fine.

Tidbits:

Chatzilla seems to have a bad day lately. I still need private patches for 2 bugs to build l10n 2.41 and up:

  • bug 1240304 Old maximum version numbers in Chatzilla rdf files
  • bug 1210791 Get rid of XULPPFLAGS in Chatzilla

And the official builds miss the language pack:

  • bug 1244467 Localized Builds: Chatzilla language pack missing from Seamonkey installer package

And comm-aurora picks the wrong Chatzilla branch again. Didn’t file a bug yet.

On the backburner. Didn’t have much time to check

Other things on my mind:

  • enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc –enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2013 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier.

IanN

  • Usual localising, testing, reviewing, commenting and approving.
  • Fixed:
  • Fixed for c-c:
  • Fixed for m-c:
  • Fixed for m-i/fx-i:
  • Pending tree opening:
  • Pending approval for check in:
  • Pending checkin for dependent bugs:
    • bug 653386 Consider overriding netErrorApp.dtd rather than netError.dtd
  • Checked in pending review:
  • Waiting for feedback/review/information:
    • bug 1061348 Port |bug 575283 – Cleanup mozconfig files on all platforms| to SeaMonkey
    • bug 1163441 Use FINAL_TARGET_FILES and DIST_FILES for Thunderbird themes
  • Fixing review comments before checkin:
    • bug 757230 When using add button for permissions in Data Manager set a displayHost
    • bug 798147 Switch to correct pref pane if pref window already open
  • Working on:
    • bug 1243064 Update en-GB for Gecko 44
    • bug 1101381 Printing throws error: DEPRECATION WARNING: getWebBrowserPrint is now deprecated, and fully unsupported for multi-process browsers. Please use a frame script to get access to nsIWebBrowserPrint from content
    • bug 1190179 Port |bug 1067325 – Add an option to view html source in a tab| to SeaMonkey
    • bug 1051642 Allow for flat chrome format when packaging extensions
    • bug 943335 [TB] Update icons used in searchplugins (Yahoo, eBay, Wikipedia, Amazon, Bing, Twitter)
    • Various SM Council documents.
    • bug 606683 Allow customization of toolbar in Composer and MailNews Composition
    • bug 639690 [META] Re-arrange code between editor and editorOverlay
    • bug 773979 [META] Switch to new drag and drop api in SeaMonkey
    • bug 657234 Move pasteQuote and pasteNoFormatting into contentAreaContextOverlay
    • File/Folder selection in windows.
  • To Do:
    • bug 639395 Get cmd_fontSize to reflect current state of selected content / content at caret.
    • Prefs-in-a-tab.
    • Create FAQ for Friends of the Fish Tank.
    • Help get composer standalone builds working with –enable-tests.

Rainer Bielefeld

currently working on
ToDo (postponed from meeting 2016-01-19
  • Improve Mentoring for new developer volunteers
I get requests of interested (but inexperienced) developers to help, but I hesitate to encourage them because most new developers will need intensive help for 5 (or so) first bugs until they become able to work independently. Unfortunatley we do not have proved and well known infrastructure for that like Newbies discussion forum (where they can help each other) and similar. So we lost Batchu Venkat Vishal, Tom Zhang, ytrackm-sannysm@yahoo.com (never started activity) and others. Any Ideas how to interest possible new developers in continuous and persevering contiibution to SeaMonkey?
  • Donating and so on: Current situation very unsatisfying due to unresolved
    • bug 1165707 – Publish information concerning SeaMonkey e.V.
    • bug 1197554 – Balance sheet (statement of accounts) for donations should be published
    • bug 1191707 – Download: redirect users to detour via Donate / Contribute Request web page
this should be discussed on IRC, I hope I will be able to participate
Other discussion items
  • Progress bundling lomon_juice’s add-on-browser? I think that is really important!
  • After general fix for bug 1153577 – Users should be able to hide the menubar and show it with the ALT key some non-WIN-OS related issues, what might become annoying when we get 2.40 builds

Ratty

Fixed:

  • Naught.

Working on comm-central bustage fixes:

In Progress:

  • bug 1223341 Add the Firefox Devtools to the SeaMonkey UI.
  • bug 1235805 Rollup patch: Add preload content policy types for images (bug 1048048) Use the loading document’s principal to populate loadInfo for Favicons instead of using systemPrincipal (bug 1119386) nsITaskbarPreview::Invalidate no longer throws when not visible.
  • bug 1222816 Restore about:config UI (Config Editor) to old appearance by overriding Toolkit’s Project Chameleon styles.
  • bug 1238428 Workaround the NS_APP_PROFILE_DEFAULTS_{NLOC_,}50_DIR directory keys removed in bug 1234012.
  • bug 1239707 Switch to use in-tree version of compare-locales (SeaMonkey Part).

TODO:

  • Fix Thunderbird defaut theme overrides.
  • Front end changes needed for bug 1042699 Block cross-origin add-on install requests.
  • bug 1011857 Implement CustomizableUI shim for SeaMonkey.
  • bug 1174466 Popup blocker: Need to allow popups opened by loaded javascript: URIs from the location bar. Regression from bug 896947.
  • bug 1224907 Bookmarks Manager Search box is missing in SeaMonkey 2.3.9.
  • bug 1236982 Simplify SeaMonkey CSS for Lightning toolbar buttons.

Needs Investigating:

Other stuff:

  • Did some reviews and approvals.
  • Bug triage and Bug discussions.
  • Usual end user support and PR in newsgroups and Mozillazine.

rsx11m

Landed on comm-central and comm-aurora:

Filed for for 2.42.x if continued on 45 ESR:

  • bug 1240738 Bugs with l10n changes that need uplifting to 2.42.x in case we build from 45.x ESR repositories. (meta)
    • ref. bug 1229270 Provide UI in Send Format pane for new mailnews.sendformat.auto_downgrade preference.

May need retargeting:

  • bug 1123673 Consider exposing security.tls.version.fallback-limit in SSL prefpane to accommodate SSL 3.0 legacy sites.

Other:

  • Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.
  • Closed remaining 2.35 and 2.38 tracking bugs along with pending but obsolete post-landing review requests.
  • End-user information and discussion on MozillaZine.

tonymec

Any other business?

Donations to SeaMonkey:

  • [Rainer_Bielefeld]If there still is a little time remaining: I have a question concerning SeaMonkey donation status. Do we get money? if yes, how much? used for what? Currently all that is not very transparent.
  • [Ratty]The eV gets the money.
  • [frg]Second that. Would like to donate again but not sure where the money goes hoch much and what they do with it. Intransparent unfortunately
  • [Ratty]mcsmurf did promise to provide an accounting. Rainer_Bielefeld: maybe you can remind him?
  • [Rainer_Bielefeld]I know. but: bug 1165707 Publish information concerning SeaMonkey e.V. ? It looks as if that ev does not really exist :-/
  • [Ratty]You two live in Germany. Could try holding mcsmurf’s feet over a fire?
  • [IanN]I will remind mcsmurf on that
  • [tonymec]das Gelt geht zur eV, aber wo geht es daraus hin?
  • [Rainer_Bielefeld]I think we need some public relations: Thanks to donators, …
    • Yes, I will contact mcsmurf.
  • [frg]Yes. To do the job is great but to promote it is neccessary or we will go down anyway.
  • [Rainer_Bielefeld]And publish results in the blog
    • Anything new concerning Progress bundling lomon_juice’s add-on-browser? I think that is really important, ofr me that add-on is great help
  • [frg]Rainer_Bielefeld: If the others think I am already on par for simple thingsa I can help other developers.

SeaMonkey Meeting Details

20-January-2016

SeaMonkey: 2016-01-19

Filed under: Posts — Tags: — Jesper Kristensen @ 12:00 am

Agenda

  • Who’s taking minutes? -> Ratty
  • Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
    • TBD

Action Items

(who needs to do what that hasn’t been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

NEW

OPEN

  • Need to port Sync 1.5 to SeaMonkey – IanN has spoken briefly to ewong about options, Ratty might be able to help too.
  • bug 1198340 The carousel within Add-On Manager can be used for SeaMonkey specific content. TO DO: Find out what sort of format AMO needs for the carousel. Get our webdev person to create necessary content. Submit content for upload to AMO.
    • Unfortunately nobody knows exactly how addons.mozilla.works because there’s no full time developer working on AMO. Ratty was given bug 1009759 as an example. So now we need someone who knows python+django.
    • About specific aspects of this problem, see: bug 1230796, bug 1230804, bug 1230806 and maybe more.
    • [Ratty] The url for the discovery pane is set in a pref. Instantbird points the URL to a chrome XUL document. If we do this we don’t have to worry about the python stuff.

CLOSED

Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree

  • Notes:
    • Callek: Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I’m hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I’m realistic expecting it won’t be until january at earliest.
    • Ewong will set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine.
      • The loaner machine was decommissioned without notice.
      • Got a new loaner.
    • Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as bug 1092468 and bug 1108970. Migrating our Windows builders to Win2008 and our compiler toolchain to VS2013 would likely solve this and other bustages.
    • There are also some upcoming changes to L10n build system in Q1 2015 (bug 1107635).
    • Buildmaster is up and running, and produces en-US builds, see 9/16 meeting’s Friends of the Fish Tank. Builds and langpacks in 18 languages including en-US are available unofficially thanks to A.Kalla.
    • bug 1083689 Langpacks aren’t updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren’t uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).
    • For various reasons we don’t have a working SeaMonkey Treeherder.
    • wrt bug 1155011, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on bug 1155013 require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.
  • [19th January 2016]
    • [comm-central]
  • [8th December 2015]
  • No Update. Ewong is hospitalized. Get well soon!
  • Excluding Windows, the tree is green for most part. We’re down one osx64 slave.
  • Re: Tests. Still broken.
    • Currently bug 1209378 is in progress to fix the perma-brokeness of our testing infrastructure; but it is ‘hard’.
  • See RelEng page for the RelEng status history.

Release Train

  • SeaMonkey 2.39 was released November 8th, 2015.
  • SeaMonkey 2.40 beta has been cancelled.
  • SeaMonkey 2.40 final (tracking bug 1233615) has been tagged January 14th but no candidate builds.
    • [frg] wants to know if we should we skip 2.40 and go straight to 2.41 which just arrived in mozilla-release yesterday. Using private builds for 4 weeks. No problems in daily browsing.
    • [IanN] It will depend on what happens with comm-central/aurora/beta and Thunderbird; but we may end up on a very different release schedule in the end.
    • IanN wants to talk to the releng team about the release schedule generally.
  • Next merge is scheduled for January 25th (in less than a week from now).
  • Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: Releases Scheduling

Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking

  • See Basics page. Please only list current changes here.
  • Addon Compatibility Listings
  • Lightning button icons are not shown on the mail-toolbox making them invisible. Fixed in bug 1223898 CSS chould be simplified though (bug 1236982).
  • We are looking for a new place to host the Addon Compatibility Listings for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in this post.
  • Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/
    This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf – it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there’s only so much an automated tool like that can do.
    • Lemon Juice continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [1].
    • looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [2], bug 1145026.
    • Rainer Bielefeld will no longer update the list of Firefox addons that have been successfully converted by the Addon Converter. — Rrbd (talk) 09:59, 16 August 2015 (PDT)
    • Ratty filed bug 1130390 to add a link on seamonkey-projects.org to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.
    • The AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, seems mature. (It had 9 successive revisions between 27 September and 3 October, and no change since then.) It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a “built-in extension” besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane; the extension actually does much more than the bug’s Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid “You need Firefox 10 or later” popups.
  • The Thunderbird team is now shipping Lightning with Thunderbird. IanN will work on shipping lightning too. Related bugs:
    • bug 516026 Integrate Lightning Into SeaMonkey by Default and Ship SeaMonkey with Lightning Enabled
    • bug 1130854 Package Lightning with Thunderbird for c-c and c-a builds.
    • bug 1113183 Integrate Lightning Into Thunderbird by Default.
    • bug 1130852 Add opt-in dialog to promote Calendar integration [Thunderbird].
  • Ratty has the Firefox Devtools up and running. We can now use the Firefox Devtools debugger in both remote and local mode.
    • Venkman is now totally retired R.I.P..

2.x (Last, Current, Next)

2.40

open tracking (0)
tracking requests (5)
targeted (0)
fixed (15)

2.Next

  • We have official permission to use the Firefox FxA 2.0 sync servers! We need someone to work on porting sync 2.0 over to replace legacy sync code. The finer details of how are so far unknown, but we should have a usable solution before legacy sync is turned off. See: New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly. Tracked in:
    • bug 998807 Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
    • bug 1003434 Add support for about:sync-progress.
  • Stalled. Needs a kick.
    • bug 815954 Click-to-Play: Port bug 812562 (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).
    • bug 476108 GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].
  • Current breakages:
    • bug 1209875 did break any builds of 2.41+ containing a localized ChatZilla – bug 1213641 filled
    • No en-US trunk builds later than 30 November yet (or even 11 November on win32). Aurora is currently building on Linux (L32 / L64) only.
  • Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:
    • Changes to Safe Browsing.
    • Firefox is currently changing styles of several Toolkit pages
      • already affected: config.xul for about:config, bug 1125636
      • Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: bug 1097111 – SeaMonkey tracking in bug 1133743
      • Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles
      • Fallout thus far: bug 1133582 about:config (Modern)
      • Ratty restored about:privatebrowsing UI to before it was messed up by Project Chameleon styles [bug 1192276]. Subsequent to Chameleon, Firefox developers have again redesigned the about:privatebrowsing UI to include UI for tracking protection. We should look into picking any changes we like.
      • mozilla-central bug 1189918 and bug 1190465 allow to fork Toolkit style pages for the classic/default/modern theme without harming theme developers. SeaMonkey bug 1022354 will move theme overrides to the theme manifests.
        • affected pages that should be reverted are about:config [bug 1222816], about:addons [bug 1222817], about:support [bug 1222818] (look ok in Modern but hurt in the Default theme).
    • A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.
    • bug 566746 (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:
      • bug 912031 Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite.
    • The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.
    • bug 825588 Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and bug 851471 Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:
      • bug 888915 Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. Neil has a WIP patch on hand.
    • We’ve picked up he default for security.tls.version.min from Mozilla Core, but security.tls.version.fallback-limit is new. So we need to consider adding the latter to our preferences UI (bug 1123673).
      • Currently unclear whether or not this should be done after bug 1084025 disable insecure TLS version fallback entirely by default [3]
      • alternative proposal is to make whitelist for acceptable fallback sites available in the UI, which seems to make more sense.

Feature List, Planning

Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: 28 new, 4 fixed, 5 triaged.

  • low triaging effort, average number of new bugs filed.
  • Ratty has a SeaMonkey build with a working Firefox Devtools!!!! Relevant patches:
    • bug 1208112 Package DevTools client in SeaMonkey now that it’s been moved out of /browser/ [checked-in].
    • bug 1223338 Add DevTools client L10N language files to SeaMonkey builds [checked-in].
    • bug 1223341 Add the Firefox Devtools to the SeaMonkey UI. Waiting for review.
    • bug 1223344 Some tweaks to gDevTools.jsm to get Devtools working in SeaMonkey [Devtools]. Waiting for review.
    • Not working yet: WebIDE and Responsive Design. But everything else seems to work.
  • Mozilla wants to separate Firefox and Thunderbird, in infrastructure and organizationally, which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well
  • Fundamental core features Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:
    • bug 1222546 Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
      • if effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes disfunct
      • no sufficiently plausible specifics provided ‘why’ full themes ‘must’ no longer be supported
      • may prohibit Modern theme being shipped with or installed in SeaMonkey
      • removal is “decided” without any clear alternative envisioned
  • IanN thinks it would be useful to remind people on the newsgroups / forums that they can contribute by triaging. Tonymec will post a reminder to newsgroups / forums. See bug 1092632 (Sm_tri_HowTo) Document how to triage SeaMonkey bugs.
    • The HowTo page has been moved to SeaMonkey/QA/Triage HowTo. No one having objected (or even reacted), bug 1092632 is now RESOLVED FIXED. See its comment #18 for the announcement URLs.

Open reviews/flags:
65 review
5 super-review
1 ui-review
14 feedback

  • See Feature List page for major wanted/needed features.
  • TODO:
    • Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
      • bug 1127784 added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
      • more work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
  • What about declaring linux-x86_64 builds found at seamonkey-project.org and at ftp.m.o as “official” ?

On October 7 two people asked in #seamonkey at a few minutes’ interval when there would be “official” 64-bit SM builds for Linux. I pointed them to the x86_64 release at the bottom of the “Other languages” release page for 2.38 and to the x86_64 2.40a2 aurora & 2.41a1 trunk builds at the bottom of the ftp.m.o nightly/latest-comm-* pages but they said these were not “official”.

So — how are we going to get out of the following vicious circle? 64-bit builds are not “official” because too few users, and users don’t install them (some even prefer compiling their own) because they aren’t “official”.

Maybe change the online documentation? (perhaps as part of bug 1208822 “System Requirements page needs update”?)

Tonymec (talk) 13:56, 7 October 2015 (PDT)

  • [ewong:] what’s the prerequisites of making the Linux64 builds ‘official’ aside for the issue of getting the tests done for Linux64; but our testing infrastructure is busted. bug 1209378

— Discussion on locale translations for DOMi and Chatzilla —

  • [frg] Localized Chatzilla builds currently break suite compile starting with 2.41. See bug 1229810 Port bug 1228444 and bug 1228467 to Chatzilla.
  • [IanN] The tagging has fixed the issue for chatzilla before 2.41 but more is needed for 2.41 and above?
  • [frg] Yes. The optional language xpi will not compile in 2.41 and is broken in 2.42 and up. install.rdf missing. The main xpi is fine.
  • [IanN] Can you spin a bug off with the steps to generate the optional language xpi for 2.41 along with any errors, similarly another one for 2.42 and up. If it ends up being the same fix, not a problem, bugs are cheap. just cc me.
  • [IanN] Ratty: do we need to start looking at how to overlay Chatzilla and DOMi on top of the TB’s new merged (c-c + m-c) repository?
  • [Ratty] Not sure. I hope we can continue doing what we have been doing using nested repositories. However in the new merged repository. The comm-central client.py is replaced by the mozilla-central client.py so I don’t know how this will work.
  • [IanN] Merging DOMi into comm-central would make SeaMonkey releases easier. We just need to sort out locale building for DOMi.

Roundtable – Personal Status Updates

Status Updates from developers – what are you working on, what’s the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).

frg

Waiting for review:

  • bug 1188348 data manager: domains invisible for Permissions, Preferences, Passwords.
  • bug 1200263 Help → Report Web Forgery … does nothing.
  • bug 1240304 Old maximum version numbers in Chatzilla rdf files

Tidbits:

  • Fixes already in bug 1210791 – Get rid of XULPPFLAGS in Chatzilla and bug 1240304 allowed me to build a fully working localized de Chatzilla bundled with the Seamonkey installer.
  • I think that localized c-c builds are broken and filed bug 1238767 Localized Suite build fails in DebugQA
  • Think I found a good workaround for an old annoying problem for bug 521861 After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken. Would appreciate some feedback if the patch there should be made reviewable
  • The Data Manager bug 1188348 should be reviewed soon for a possible inclusion in ESR 45. It contains string changes. This is currently so broken it bugs alot of people. Usually at least one comment each week. If the patch is not ok I am willing to do additional changes as fast as time and knowledge permits but I am unwilling to put the new password permissions page back into the permissions page because of, which I think, would result in spaghetti code.

Other things on my mind:

  • With backported bugs bug 1198936 bug 1204752 and bug 1229604 Seamonkey 2.40 x86 and x64 and up compiles and works 100% fine using VS2015 Update 1. So if Mozilla decides to use it in the future for Firefox we do have nothing to fear (other than another build bot upgrade). Tested the x86 build under XP SP3 and Server 2003 x64 and use 2.41 x64 daily.
  • enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc –enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2013 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier.

IanN

  • Usual localising, testing, reviewing, commenting and approving.
  • Fixed:
  • Fixed for c-c:
  • Fixed for m-c:
  • Fixed for m-i/fx-i:
  • Pending tree opening:
  • Pending approval for check in:
  • Pending checkin for dependent bugs:
    • bug 653386 Consider overriding netErrorApp.dtd rather than netError.dtd
  • Checked in pending review:
  • Waiting for feedback/review/information:
    • bug 1061348 Port |bug 575283 – Cleanup mozconfig files on all platforms| to SeaMonkey
    • bug 1163441 Use FINAL_TARGET_FILES and DIST_FILES for Thunderbird themes
  • Fixing review comments before checkin:
    • bug 757230 When using add button for permissions in Data Manager set a displayHost
    • bug 798147 Switch to correct pref pane if pref window already open
  • Working on:
    • bug 1101381 Printing throws error: DEPRECATION WARNING: getWebBrowserPrint is now deprecated, and fully unsupported for multi-process browsers. Please use a frame script to get access to nsIWebBrowserPrint from content
    • bug 1190179 Port |bug 1067325 – Add an option to view html source in a tab| to SeaMonkey
    • bug 1051642 Allow for flat chrome format when packaging extensions
    • bug 943335 [TB] Update icons used in searchplugins (Yahoo, eBay, Wikipedia, Amazon, Bing, Twitter)
    • Various SM Council documents.
    • bug 606683 Allow customization of toolbar in Composer and MailNews Composition
    • bug 639690 [META] Re-arrange code between editor and editorOverlay
    • bug 773979 [META] Switch to new drag and drop api in SeaMonkey
    • bug 657234 Move pasteQuote and pasteNoFormatting into contentAreaContextOverlay
    • File/Folder selection in windows.
  • To Do:
    • bug 639395 Get cmd_fontSize to reflect current state of selected content / content at caret.
    • Prefs-in-a-tab.
    • Create FAQ for Friends of the Fish Tank.
    • Help get composer standalone builds working with –enable-tests.

Rainer Bielefeld

currently working on
ToDo
  • Improve Mentoring for new developer volunteers
  • Donating and so on: Current situation very unsatisfying due to unresolved
    • bug 1165707 – Publish information concerning SeaMonkey e.V.
    • bug 1197554 – Balance sheet (statement of accounts) for donations should be published
    • bug 1191707 – Download: redirect users to detour via Donate / Contribute Request web page

Ratty

Fixed:

  • bug 1233997 about:debugging should be available to all applications that ship the Devtools client (and not just Firefox) [Devtools]

In Progress:

  • bug 1223341 Add the Firefox Devtools to the SeaMonkey UI.
  • bug 1235805 Rollup patch: Add preload content policy types for images (bug 1048048) Use the loading document’s principal to populate loadInfo for Favicons instead of using systemPrincipal (bug 1119386) nsITaskbarPreview::Invalidate no longer throws when not visible.
  • bug 1222816 Restore about:config UI (Config Editor) to old appearance by overriding Toolkit’s Project Chameleon styles.
  • bug 1236982 Simplify SeaMonkey CSS for Lightning toolbar buttons.
  • bug 1238428 Workaround the NS_APP_PROFILE_DEFAULTS_{NLOC_,}50_DIR directory keys removed in bug 1234012.
  • bug 1239707 Switch to use in-tree version of compare-locales (SeaMonkey Part).

Needs Investigating:

  • bug 1240304 Old maximum version numbers in Chatzilla rdf files.

Need to look into this:

TODO:

  • Fix Thunderbird defaut theme overrides.
  • Front end changes needed for bug 1042699 Block cross-origin add-on install requests.
  • bug 1011857 Implement CustomizableUI shim for SeaMonkey.
  • bug 1174466 Popup blocker: Need to allow popups opened by loaded javascript: URIs from the location bar. Regression from bug 896947.
  • bug 1224907 Bookmarks Manager Search box is missing in SeaMonkey 2.3.9.

Other stuff:

  • Did some reviews and approvals.
  • Bug triage and Bug discussions.
  • Usual end user support and PR in newsgroups and Mozillazine.

rsx11m

Landed on comm-central and comm-aurora:

  • bug 1238266 Move hidefor attribute from IDLE checkbox to surrounding vbox.
  • bug 1238374 Access key conflict for new IDLE checkbox in IMAP Server Settings.

Landed on comm-central, possible candidate for 2.42.x if continued on 45 ESR:

  • bug 1229270 Provide UI in Send Format pane for new mailnews.sendformat.auto_downgrade preference.

Waiting for checkin:

May need retargeting:

  • bug 1123673 Consider exposing security.tls.version.fallback-limit in SSL prefpane to accommodate SSL 3.0 legacy sites.

Other:

  • Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.
  • End-user information and discussion on MozillaZine.

tonymec

  • FIXED
    • bug 1092632 (Sm_tri_HowTo) Document how to triage SeaMonkey bugs
    • bug 1235199 Remove “Ask for each cookie” radiobutton in preferences dialog now that its backend is gone r=Neil a-a,a-b=Ratty 2.40-unaffected.
  • QA (bugs moved, resolved as INVALID, DUPLICATE, etc): business as usual.

Any other business?


SeaMonkey Meeting Details

6-January-2016

SeaMonkey: 2016-01-05

Filed under: Posts — Tags: — Jesper Kristensen @ 12:00 am

SeaMonkey Meeting Details

Agenda

  • Who’s taking minutes? -> Ratty
  • Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
    • I propose Frank-Rainer Grahl who’s been doing a lot of testing and bug reporting on Windows recently, mostly on own-compiled W64 builds; also some bug fixing. Any seconds? — Tonymec (talk) 10:32, 26 December 2015 (PST)
    • Seconded by Ratty and IanN

Action Items

(who needs to do what that hasn’t been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

NEW

OPEN

  • Need to port Sync 1.5 to SeaMonkey – IanN has spoken briefly to ewong about options, Ratty might be able to help too.
  • bug 1198340 The carousel within Add-On Manager can be used for SeaMonkey specific content. TO DO: Find out what sort of format AMO needs for the carousel. Get our webdev person to create necessary content. Submit content for upload to AMO.
    • Unfortunately nobody knows exactly how addons.mozilla.works because there’s no full time developer working on AMO. Ratty was given bug 1009759 as an example. So now we need someone who knows python+django.
    • About specific aspects of this problem, see: bug 1230796, bug 1230804, bug 1230806 and maybe more.
    • [Ratty] The url for the discovery pane is set in a pref. Instantbird points the URL to a chrome XUL document. If we do this we don’t have to worry about the python stuff.

CLOSED

Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree

  • Notes:
    • Callek: Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I’m hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I’m realistic expecting it won’t be until january at earliest.
    • Ewong will set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine.
    • Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as bug 1092468 and bug 1108970. Migrating our Windows builders to Win2008 and our compiler toolchain to VS2013 would likely solve this and other bustages.
    • There are also some upcoming changes to L10n build system in Q1 2015 (bug 1107635).
    • Buildmaster is up and running, and produces en-US builds, see 9/16 meeting’s Friends of the Fish Tank. Builds and langpacks in 18 languages including en-US are available unofficially thanks to A.Kalla.
    • bug 1083689 Langpacks aren’t updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren’t uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).
    • For various reasons we don’t have a working SeaMonkey Treeherder.
    • wrt bug 1155011, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on bug 1155013 require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.
  • [8th December 2015]
  • No Update. Ewong is hospitalized. Get well soon!
  • Excluding Windows, the tree is green for most part. We’re down one osx64 slave.
  • Re: Tests. Still broken.
    • Currently bug 1209378 is in progress to fix the perma-brokeness of our testing infrastructure; but it is ‘hard’.
  • See RelEng page for the RelEng status history.

Release Train

  • SeaMonkey 2.39 was released November 8th, 2015.
  • SeaMonkey 2.40 beta has been cancelled.
  • SeaMonkey 2.40 final released/scheduled ???
  • Last merge was December 14th as scheduled.
  • Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: Releases Scheduling

Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking

  • See Basics page. Please only list current changes here.
  • Addon Compatibility Listings
  • Lightning button icons are not shown on the mail-toolbox making them invisible. Fixed in bug 1223898 but we should consider moving the CSS from suite to Lighting.
  • We are looking for a new place to host the Addon Compatibility Listings for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in this post.
  • Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/
    This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf – it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there’s only so much an automated tool like that can do.
    • Lemon Juice continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [1].
    • looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [2], bug 1145026.
    • Rainer Bielefeld will no longer update the list of Firefox addons that have been successfully converted by the Addon Converter. — Rrbd (talk) 09:59, 16 August 2015 (PDT)
    • Ratty filed bug 1130390 to add a link on seamonkey-projects.org to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.
    • The AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, seems mature. (It had 9 successive revisions between 27 September and 3 October, and no change since then.) It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a “built-in extension” besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane; the extension actually does much more than the bug’s Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid “You need Firefox 10 or later” popups.
  • The Thunderbird team is now shipping Lightning with Thunderbird. IanN will work on shipping lightning too. Related bugs:
    • bug 516026 Integrate Lightning Into SeaMonkey by Default and Ship SeaMonkey with Lightning Enabled
    • bug 1130854 Package Lightning with Thunderbird for c-c and c-a builds.
    • bug 1113183 Integrate Lightning Into Thunderbird by Default.
    • bug 1130852 Add opt-in dialog to promote Calendar integration [Thunderbird].
  • Ratty has the Firefox Devtools up and running. We can now use the Firefox Devtools debugger in both remote and local mode.
    • Venkman is now totally retired R.I.P..

2.x (Last, Current, Next)

2.40

open tracking (0)
tracking requests (3)
targeted (0)
fixed (15)

2.Next

  • We have official permission to use the Firefox FxA 2.0 sync servers! We need someone to work on porting sync 2.0 over to replace legacy sync code. The finer details of how are so far unknown, but we should have a usable solution before legacy sync is turned off. See: New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly. Tracked in:
    • bug 998807 Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
    • bug 1003434 Add support for about:sync-progress.
  • Stalled. Needs a kick.
    • bug 815954 Click-to-Play: Port bug 812562 (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).
    • bug 476108 GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].
  • Current breakages:
    • bug 1209875 did break any builds of 2.41+ containing a localized ChatZilla – bug 1213641 filled
    • No en-US trunk builds later than 30 November yet (or even 11 November on win32). Aurora is currently building on Linux (L32 / L64) only.
  • Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:
    • Changes to Safe Browsing.
    • Firefox is currently changing styles of several Toolkit pages
      • already affected: config.xul for about:config, bug 1125636
      • Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: bug 1097111 – SeaMonkey tracking in bug 1133743
      • Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles
      • Fallout thus far: bug 1133582 about:config (Modern)
      • Ratty restored about:privatebrowsing UI to before it was messed up by Project Chameleon styles [bug 1192276]. Subsequent to Chameleon, Firefox developers have again redesigned the about:privatebrowsing UI to include UI for tracking protection. We should look into picking any changes we like.
      • mozilla-central bug 1189918 and bug 1190465 allow to fork Toolkit style pages for the classic/default/modern theme without harming theme developers. SeaMonkey bug 1022354 will move theme overrides to the theme manifests.
        • affected pages that should be reverted are about:config [bug 1222816], about:addons [bug 1222817], about:support [bug 1222818] (look ok in Modern but hurt in the Default theme).
    • A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.
    • bug 566746 (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:
      • bug 912031 Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite.
    • The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.
    • bug 825588 Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and bug 851471 Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:
      • bug 888915 Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. Neil has a WIP patch on hand.
    • We’ve picked up he default for security.tls.version.min from Mozilla Core, but security.tls.version.fallback-limit is new. So we need to consider adding the latter to our preferences UI (bug 1123673).
      • Currently unclear whether or not this should be done after bug 1084025 disable insecure TLS version fallback entirely by default [3]
      • alternative proposal is to make whitelist for acceptable fallback sites available in the UI, which seems to make more sense.

Feature List, Planning

Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: 21 new, 6 fixed, 16 triaged.

  • good triaging effort, average number of new bugs filed.
  • Ratty has a SeaMonkey build with a working Firefox Devtools!!!! Relevant patches:
    • bug 1208112 Package DevTools client in SeaMonkey now that it’s been moved out of /browser/ [checked-in].
    • bug 1223338 Add DevTools client L10N language files to SeaMonkey builds [checked-in].
    • bug 1223341 Add the Firefox Devtools to the SeaMonkey UI. Waiting for review.
    • bug 1223344 Some tweaks to gDevTools.jsm to get Devtools working in SeaMonkey [Devtools]. Waiting for review.
    • Not working yet: WebIDE and Responsive Design. But everything else seems to work.
  • Mozilla wants to separate Firefox and Thunderbird, in infrastructure and organizationally, which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well
  • Fundamental core features Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:
    • bug 1222546 Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
      • if effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes disfunct
      • no sufficiently plausible specifics provided ‘why’ full themes ‘must’ no longer be supported
      • may prohibit Modern theme being shipped with or installed in SeaMonkey
      • removal is “decided” without any clear alternative envisioned
  • IanN thinks it would be useful to remind people on the newsgroups / forums that they can contribute by triaging. Tonymec will post a reminder to newsgroups / forums. See bug 1092632 (Sm_tri_HowTo) Document how to triage SeaMonkey bugs.

Open reviews/flags:
??? review
??? super-review
??? ui-review
??? feedback

  • See Feature List page for major wanted/needed features.
  • TODO:
    • Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
      • bug 1127784 added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
      • more work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
  • What about declaring linux-x86_64 builds found at seamonkey-project.org and at ftp.m.o as “official” ?

On October 7 two people asked in #seamonkey at a few minutes’ interval when there would be “official” 64-bit SM builds for Linux. I pointed them to the x86_64 release at the bottom of the “Other languages” release page for 2.38 and to the x86_64 2.40a2 aurora & 2.41a1 trunk builds at the bottom of the ftp.m.o nightly/latest-comm-* pages but they said these were not “official”.

So — how are we going to get out of the following vicious circle? 64-bit builds are not “official” because too few users, and users don’t install them (some even prefer compiling their own) because they aren’t “official”.

Maybe change the online documentation? (perhaps as part of bug 1208822 “System Requirements page needs update”?)

Tonymec (talk) 13:56, 7 October 2015 (PDT)

  • [ewong:] what’s the prerequisites of making the Linux64 builds ‘official’ aside for the issue of getting the tests done for Linux64; but our testing infrastructure is busted. bug 1209378

— Discussion on locale translations for DOMi and Chatzilla —

  • [frg] Localized Chatzilla builds currently break suite compile starting with 2.41. See bug 1229810 Port bug 1228444 and bug 1228467 to Chatzilla.
  • [IanN] The tagging has fixed the issue for chatzilla before 2.41 but more is needed for 2.41 and above?
  • [frg] Yes. The optional language xpi will not compile in 2.41 and is broken in 2.42 and up. install.rdf missing. The main xpi is fine.
  • [IanN] Can you spin a bug off with the steps to generate the optional language xpi for 2.41 along with any errors, similarly another one for 2.42 and up. If it ends up being the same fix, not a problem, bugs are cheap. just cc me.
  • [IanN] Ratty: do we need to start looking at how to overlay Chatzilla and DOMi on top of the TB’s new merged (c-c + m-c) repository?
  • [Ratty] Not sure. I hope we can continue doing what we have been doing using nested repositories. However in the new merged repository. The comm-central client.py is replaced by the mozilla-central client.py so I don’t know how this will work.
  • [IanN] Merging DOMi into comm-central would make SeaMonkey releases easier. We just need to sort out locale building for DOMi.

Roundtable – Personal Status Updates

Status Updates from developers – what are you working on, what’s the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).

IanN

  • Usual localising, testing, reviewing, commenting and approving.
  • Fixed:
  • Fixed for c-c:
  • Fixed for m-c:
  • Fixed for m-i/fx-i:
  • Pending tree opening:
  • Pending approval for check in:
  • Pending checkin for dependent bugs:
    • bug 653386 Consider overriding netErrorApp.dtd rather than netError.dtd
  • Checked in pending review:
  • Waiting for feedback/review/information:
  • Fixing review comments before checkin:
    • bug 757230 When using add button for permissions in Data Manager set a displayHost
    • bug 798147 Switch to correct pref pane if pref window already open
  • Working on:
    • bug 1230855 Update en-GB for Gecko 43
    • bug 1101381 Printing throws error: DEPRECATION WARNING: getWebBrowserPrint is now deprecated, and fully unsupported for multi-process browsers. Please use a frame script to get access to nsIWebBrowserPrint from content
    • bug 1190179 Port |bug 1067325 – Add an option to view html source in a tab| to SeaMonkey
    • bug 1051642 Allow for flat chrome format when packaging extensions
    • bug 943335 [TB] Update icons used in searchplugins (Yahoo, eBay, Wikipedia, Amazon, Bing, Twitter)
    • Various SM Council documents.
    • bug 606683 Allow customization of toolbar in Composer and MailNews Composition
    • bug 639690 [META] Re-arrange code between editor and editorOverlay
    • bug 773979 [META] Switch to new drag and drop api in SeaMonkey
    • bug 657234 Move pasteQuote and pasteNoFormatting into contentAreaContextOverlay
    • File/Folder selection in windows.
  • To Do:
    • bug 639395 Get cmd_fontSize to reflect current state of selected content / content at caret.
    • Prefs-in-a-tab.
    • Create FAQ for Friends of the Fish Tank.
    • Help get composer standalone builds working with –enable-tests.

Neil

Checked in to comm-central, might need uplift:

Checked in to comm-central, comm-aurora and comm-beta:

  • bug 1222491 Update Modern theme for recent changes in web notifications.

Checked in to comm-beta:

Still waiting for feedback:

  • bug 888915 Convert SeaMonkey Downloads Manager to Downloads.jsm

Still waiting for review:

Ratty

Fixed:

  • bug 1211166 Use AppConstants in SessionRecorder.jsm [Toolkit]
  • bug 1226048 “Save View as Folder” and “File->New->Saved Search”: missing folder [comm-release]
  • bug 1227305 ReferenceError: can’t access lexical declaration `max’ before initialization causes “DOM Inspector” to stop working [DOM Inspector]
  • bug 1229803 Port bug 1228444 (Rename DIST_FILES to FINAL_TARGET_PP_FILES) to DOM Inspector.
  • bug 1231984 Add-on SDK tabs problem: domWindow.gBrowserInit is undefined.
  • bug 1233063 ProfileManager UI broken. Copied the strings removed in bug 1232629 to /suite/.
  • bug 1233433 [Installer] Consolidate Push client interfaces – SeaMonkey part.
  • bug 1233509 Update packaging for Push client interfaces (bug 1189998) Thunderbird/Instantbird parts.
  • bug 1233524 The Create Profile Wizard says “Click Done …” when the button is called “Finish” and “Click Finish …” when the button is called “Done” [Toolkit::Profiles]

Waiting for review:

  • bug 1223341 Add the Firefox Devtools to the SeaMonkey UI.
  • bug 1235805 Rollup patch: Add preload content policy types for images (Bug 1048048) Use the loading document’s principal to populate loadInfo for Favicons instead of using systemPrincipal (Bug 1119386) nsITaskbarPreview::Invalidate no longer throws when not visible.

In Progress:

  • bug 1222816 Restore about:config UI (Config Editor) to old appearance by overriding Toolkit’s Project Chameleon styles.
  • bug 1229810 Port bug 1228444 and bug 1228467 to Chatzilla.
  • bug 1233997 about:debugging should be available to all applications that ship the Devtools client (and not just Firefox) [Devtools]

TODO:

  • Fix Thunderbird defaut theme overrides.
  • Front end changes needed for bug 1042699 Block cross-origin add-on install requests.
  • bug 1011857 Implement CustomizableUI shim for SeaMonkey.
  • bug 1174466 Popup blocker: Need to allow popups opened by loaded javascript: URIs from the location bar. Regression from bug 896947.
  • bug 1224907 Bookmarks Manager Search box is missing in SeaMonkey 2.3.9.

Other stuff:

  • Did some reviews and approvals.
  • Bug triage and Bug discussions.
  • Usual end user support and PR in newsgroups and Mozillazine.

rsx11m

Waiting for checkin on comm-central:

  • bug 1229270 Provide UI in Send Format pane for new mailnews.sendformat.auto_downgrade preference.

May need retargeting:

  • bug 1123673 Consider exposing security.tls.version.fallback-limit in SSL prefpane to accommodate SSL 3.0 legacy sites.

Other:

  • Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.
  • End-user information and discussion on MozillaZine.

Any other business?

9-December-2015

SeaMonkey: 2015-12-08

Filed under: Posts — Tags: — Jesper Kristensen @ 12:00 am

Agenda

  • Who’s taking minutes? -> TBD
  • Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
    • TBD

Action Items

(who needs to do what that hasn’t been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

NEW

OPEN

  • Need to port Sync 1.5 to SeaMonkey – IanN has spoken briefly to ewong about options, Ratty might be able to help too.
  • bug 1198340 The carousel within Add-On Manager can be used for SeaMonkey specific content. TO DO: Find out what sort of format AMO needs for the carousel. Get our webdev person to create necessary content. Submit content for upload to AMO.
    • Unfortunately nobody knows exactly how addons.mozilla.works because there’s no full time developer working on AMO. Ratty was given bug 1009759 as an example. So now we need someone who knows python+django.
    • About specific aspects of this problem, see: bug 1230796, bug 1230804, bug 1230806 and maybe more.

CLOSED

  • Send a delicious cake to each of our RelEng Team for all their hard work getting SeaMonkey 2.35 and 2.38 out of the door. Assigned to Ratty.
    • Ewong and Callek have received theirs.

Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree

  • Notes:
    • Callek: Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I’m hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I’m realistic expecting it won’t be until january at earliest.
    • Ewong will set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine.
    • Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as bug 1092468 and bug 1108970. Migrating our Windows builders to Win2008 and our compiler toolchain to VS2013 would likely solve this and other bustages.
    • There are also some upcoming changes to L10n build system in Q1 2015 (bug 1107635).
    • Buildmaster is up and running, and produces en-US builds, see 9/16 meeting’s Friends of the Fish Tank. Builds and langpacks in 18 languages including en-US are available unofficially thanks to A.Kalla.
    • bug 1083689 Langpacks aren’t updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren’t uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).
    • For various reasons we don’t have a working SeaMonkey Treeherder.
    • wrt bug 1155011, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on bug 1155013 require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.
  • [8th December 2015]
  • No Update. Ewong is hospitalized. Get well soon!
  • Re: Tests. Still broken.
    • Currently bug 1209378 is in progress to fix the perma-brokeness of our testing infrastructure; but it is ‘hard’.
  • See RelEng page for the RelEng status history.

Release Train

  • SeaMonkey 2.39 was released November 8th, 2015.
  • SeaMonkey 2.40 beta out soonish is indefinitely delayed. Ewong is in a hospital and Callek is travelling.
    • (bug 1230393), however it won’t be earlier than 10th since there were a handful of changes that could affect our release process, the most notable of which was the “productdelivery move” (e.g. where we host our bits bug 1223633). We will need to do all the stuff manually.
  • Next merge scheduled for December 14th.
  • Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: Releases Scheduling

Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking

  • See Basics page. Please only list current changes here.
  • Addon Compatibility Listings
  • Lightning 4.4b2 shows no button icons (that’s for SeaMonkey 2.39). To be fixed in bug 1211643. The patch now has reviews. Ratty will check the patch in RSN to com-central, comm-aurora, and comm-beta. comm-release pending approvals.
  • We are looking for a new place to host the Addon Compatibility Listings for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in this post.
  • Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/
    This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf – it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there’s only so much an automated tool like that can do.
    • Lemon Juice continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [1].
    • looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [2], bug 1145026.
    • Rainer Bielefeld will no longer update the list of Firefox addons that have been successfully converted by the Addon Converter. — Rrbd (talk) 09:59, 16 August 2015 (PDT)
    • Ratty filed bug 1130390 to add a link on seamonkey-projects.org to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.
    • The AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, seems mature. (It had 9 successive revisions between 27 September and 3 October, and no change since then.) It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a “built-in extension” besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane; the extension actually does much more than the bug’s Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid “You need Firefox 10 or later” popups.
  • The Thunderbird team is now shipping Lightning with Thunderbird. IanN will work on shipping lightning too. Related bugs:
    • bug 516026 Integrate Lightning Into SeaMonkey by Default and Ship SeaMonkey with Lightning Enabled
    • bug 1130854 Package Lightning with Thunderbird for c-c and c-a builds.
    • bug 1113183 Integrate Lightning Into Thunderbird by Default.
    • bug 1130852 Add opt-in dialog to promote Calendar integration [Thunderbird].
  • Ratty has the Firefox Devtools up and running. We can now use the Firefox Devtools debugger in both remote and local mode.
    • Venkman is now totally retired R.I.P..

2.x (Last, Current, Next)

2.39

open tracking (0)
tracking requests (6)
targeted (2)
fixed (15)

2.Next

  • We have official permission to use the Firefox FxA 2.0 sync servers! We need someone to work on porting sync 2.0 over to replace legacy sync code. The finer details of how are so far unknown, but we should have a usable solution before legacy sync is turned off. See: New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly. Tracked in:
    • bug 998807 Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
    • bug 1003434 Add support for about:sync-progress.
  • Stalled. Needs a kick.
    • bug 815954 Click-to-Play: Port bug 812562 (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).
    • bug 476108 GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].
  • Current breakages:
    • bug 1209875 did break any builds of 2.41+ containing a localized ChatZilla – bug 1213641 filled
    • No en-US trunk builds later than 30 November yet (or even 11 November on win32). Aurora is currently building on Linux (L32 / L64) only.
  • Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:
    • Changes to Safe Browsing.
    • Firefox is currently changing styles of several Toolkit pages
      • already affected: config.xul for about:config, bug 1125636
      • Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: bug 1097111 – SeaMonkey tracking in bug 1133743
      • Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles
      • Fallout thus far: bug 1133582 about:config (Modern)
      • Ratty restored about:privatebrowsing UI to before it was messed up by Project Chameleon styles [bug 1192276]. Subsequent to Chameleon, Firefox developers have again redesigned the about:privatebrowsing UI to include UI for tracking protection. We should look into picking any changes we like.
      • mozilla-central bug 1189918 and bug 1190465 allow to fork Toolkit style pages for the classic/default/modern theme without harming theme developers. SeaMonkey bug 1022354 will move theme overrides to the theme manifests.
        • affected pages that should be reverted are about:config [bug 1222816], about:addons [bug 1222817], about:support [bug 1222818] (look ok in Modern but hurt in the Default theme).
    • A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.
    • bug 566746 (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:
      • bug 912031 Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite.
    • The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.
    • bug 825588 Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and bug 851471 Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:
      • bug 888915 Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. Neil has a WIP patch on hand.
    • We’ve picked up he default for security.tls.version.min from Mozilla Core, but security.tls.version.fallback-limit is new. So we need to consider adding the latter to our preferences UI (bug 1123673).
      • Currently unclear whether or not this should be done after bug 1084025 disable insecure TLS version fallback entirely by default [3]
      • alternative proposal is to make whitelist for acceptable fallback sites available in the UI, which seems to make more sense.

Feature List, Planning

Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: 27 new, 5 fixed, 15 triaged.

  • low triaging effort, average number of new bugs filed.
  • Ratty has a SeaMonkey build with a working Firefox Devtools!!!! Relevant patches:
    • bug 1208112 Package DevTools client in SeaMonkey now that it’s been moved out of /browser/ [checked-in].
    • bug 1223338 Add DevTools client L10N language files to SeaMonkey builds [checked-in].
    • bug 1223341 Add the Firefox Devtools to the SeaMonkey UI. Waiting for review.
    • bug 1223344 Some tweaks to gDevTools.jsm to get Devtools working in SeaMonkey [Devtools]. Waiting for review.
    • Not working yet: WebIDE and Responsive Design. But everything else seems to work.
  • Mozilla wants to separate Firefox and Thunderbird, in infrastructure and organizationally, which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well
  • Fundamental core features Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:
    • bug 1222546 Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
      • if effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes disfunct
      • no sufficiently plausible specifics provided ‘why’ full themes ‘must’ no longer be supported
      • may prohibit Modern theme being shipped with or installed in SeaMonkey
      • removal is “decided” without any clear alternative envisioned
  • IanN thinks it would be useful to remind people on the newsgroups / forums that they can contribute by triaging. Tonymec will post a reminder to newsgroups / forums. See bug 1092632 (Sm_tri_HowTo) Document how to triage SeaMonkey bugs.

Open reviews/flags:
61 review
5 super-review
2 ui-review
13 feedback

  • See Feature List page for major wanted/needed features.
  • TODO:
    • Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
      • bug 1127784 added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
      • more work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
  • What about declaring linux-x86_64 builds found at seamonkey-project.org and at ftp.m.o as “official” ?

On October 7 two people asked in #seamonkey at a few minutes’ interval when there would be “official” 64-bit SM builds for Linux. I pointed them to the x86_64 release at the bottom of the “Other languages” release page for 2.38 and to the x86_64 2.40a2 aurora & 2.41a1 trunk builds at the bottom of the ftp.m.o nightly/latest-comm-* pages but they said these were not “official”.

So — how are we going to get out of the following vicious circle? 64-bit builds are not “official” because too few users, and users don’t install them (some even prefer compiling their own) because they aren’t “official”.

Maybe change the online documentation? (perhaps as part of bug 1208822 “System Requirements page needs update”?)

Tonymec (talk) 13:56, 7 October 2015 (PDT)

  • [ewong:] what’s the prerequisites of making the Linux64 builds ‘official’ aside for the issue of getting the tests done for Linux64; but our testing infrastructure is busted. bug 1209378

Roundtable – Personal Status Updates

Status Updates from developers – what are you working on, what’s the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).

IanN

  • Usual localising, testing, reviewing, commenting and approving.
  • Fixed:
  • Fixed for c-c:
  • Fixed for m-c:
  • Fixed for m-i/fx-i:
  • Pending tree opening:
  • Pending approval for check in:
  • Pending checkin for dependent bugs:
    • bug 653386 Consider overriding netErrorApp.dtd rather than netError.dtd
  • Checked in pending review:
  • Waiting for feedback/review/information:
    • bug 1061348 Port |bug 575283 – Cleanup mozconfig files on all platforms| to SeaMonkey
    • bug 1163441 Use FINAL_TARGET_FILES and DIST_FILES for Thunderbird themes
  • Fixing review comments before checkin:
    • bug 757230 When using add button for permissions in Data Manager set a displayHost
    • bug 798147 Switch to correct pref pane if pref window already open
  • Working on:
    • bug 1230855 Update en-GB for Gecko 43
    • bug 1101381 Printing throws error: DEPRECATION WARNING: getWebBrowserPrint is now deprecated, and fully unsupported for multi-process browsers. Please use a frame script to get access to nsIWebBrowserPrint from content
    • bug 1190179 Port |bug 1067325 – Add an option to view html source in a tab| to SeaMonkey
    • bug 1051642 Allow for flat chrome format when packaging extensions
    • bug 943335 [TB] Update icons used in searchplugins (Yahoo, eBay, Wikipedia, Amazon, Bing, Twitter)
    • Various SM Council documents.
    • bug 606683 Allow customization of toolbar in Composer and MailNews Composition
    • bug 639690 [META] Re-arrange code between editor and editorOverlay
    • bug 773979 [META] Switch to new drag and drop api in SeaMonkey
    • bug 657234 Move pasteQuote and pasteNoFormatting into contentAreaContextOverlay
    • File/Folder selection in windows.
  • To Do:
    • bug 639395 Get cmd_fontSize to reflect current state of selected content / content at caret.
    • Prefs-in-a-tab.
    • Create FAQ for Friends of the Fish Tank.
    • Help get composer standalone builds working with –enable-tests.

Neil

Checked in to comm-beta:

Still needs checkin:

  • bug 1222491 Update Modern theme for recent changes in web notifications.
  • bug 1223135 Switch Page Info to use principals.

Still waiting for feedback:

  • bug 888915 Convert SeaMonkey Downloads Manager to Downloads.jsm

Still waiting for review:

Ratty

Fixed:

  • bug 1022354 SeaMonkey forces 3rd-party themes to not use defaultFavicon.png but hardcode a bookmarks-item.png.
  • bug 1223344 Some tweaks to gDevTools.jsm to get Devtools working in SeaMonkey.
  • bug 1229495 Silence complaints about missing preprocessor directives in search plugins.
  • bug 1229876 Port bug 1229241 Differentiate preprocessed and non-preprocessed JS pref files (JS_PREFERENCE_FILES to JS_PREFERENCE_PP_FILES) [comm-central)
  • Parts of bug 1229419 (Port bug 1228444 to comm-central)
    • Rename DIST_FILES to FINAL_TARGET_PP_FILES. Supplemental Thunderbird patch.
    • Rename DIST_FILES to FINAL_TARGET_PP_FILES. Supplemental Instantbird patch.
  • bug 1230960 Remove some duplication in the buildconfig for the Thunderbird Default Theme

Waiting for review:

  • bug 1211166 Use AppConstants in SessionRecorder.jsm [Toolkit]
  • bug 1223341 Add the Firefox Devtools to the SeaMonkey UI.

In Progress:

TODO:

  • Fix Thunderbird defaut theme overrides.
  • Front end changes needed for bug 1042699 Block cross-origin add-on install requests.
  • bug 1011857 Implement CustomizableUI shim for SeaMonkey.
  • Port bug 1048048 add preload content policy types for images.
  • bug 1174466 Popup blocker: Need to allow popups opened by loaded javascript: URIs from the location bar. Regression from bug 896947.
  • bug 1224907 Bookmarks Manager Search Button is missing in SeaMonkey 2.3.9.

Other stuff:

  • Did some reviews and approvals.
    • Triaged some GFB review requests.
  • Bug triage and Bug discussions.
  • Usual end user support and PR in newsgroups and Mozillazine.

rsx11m

Landed on comm-central:

  • bug 1152644 Add UI in Notifications preference pane whether or not to use libnotify for new-mail alerts on Linux.

Waiting for reviews:

  • bug 1229270 Provide UI in Send Format pane for new mailnews.sendformat.auto_downgrade preference.

May need retargeting:

  • bug 1123673 Consider exposing security.tls.version.fallback-limit in SSL prefpane to accommodate SSL 3.0 legacy sites.

Other:

  • Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.
  • End-user information and discussion on MozillaZine.

Any other business?

  • There will be no December 22nd meeting due to the holidays
    • next meeting January 5th, at the regular 13:00 UTC time again

SeaMonkey Meeting Details

25-November-2015

SeaMonkey: 2015-11-24

Filed under: Posts — Tags: — Jesper Kristensen @ 12:00 am

Agenda

  • Who’s taking minutes? -> Ratty
  • Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
    • TBD

Action Items

(who needs to do what that hasn’t been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

NEW

OPEN

  • Send a delicious cake to each of our RelEng Team for all their hard work getting SeaMonkey 2.35 and 2.38 out of the door. Assigned to Ratty.
    • Ewong has received his!
  • Need to port Sync 1.5 to SeaMonkey – IanN has spoken briefly to ewong about options, Ratty might be able to help too.
  • bug 1198340 The carousel within Add-On Manager can be used for SeaMonkey specific content. TO DO: Find out what sort of format AMO needs for the carousel. Get our webdev person to create necessary content. Submit content for upload to AMO.
    • Unfortunately nobody knows exactly how addons.mozilla.works because there’s no full time developer working on AMO. Ratty was given bug 1009759 as an example. So now we need someone who knows python+django.

CLOSED

  • bug 1121281 tracks the RelEng automation migration off CVS. Everything is now in a single repo, patches for using that new repo are awaiting a review from Callek. [NB: The requisite patches *have* been pushed to the necessary repos (as part of the post-land-review process).]

Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree

  • Notes:
    • Callek: Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I’m hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I’m realistic expecting it won’t be until january at earliest.
    • Ewong will set up a chron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine.
    • Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as bug 1092468 and bug 1108970. Migrating our Windows builders to Win2008 and our compiler toolchain to VS2013 would likely solve this and other bustages.
    • There are also some upcoming changes to L10n build system in Q1 2015 (bug 1107635).
    • Buildmaster is up and running, and produces en-US builds, see 9/16 meeting’s Friends of the Fish Tank. Builds and langpacks in 18 languages including en-US are available unofficially thanks to A.Kalla.
    • bug 1083689 Langpacks aren’t updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren’t uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).
    • For various reasons we don’t have a working SeaMonkey Treeherder.
    • wrt bug 1155011, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on bug 1155013 require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.
  • [24th November 2015]
    • All trees:
      • Windows platform still busted due to needing Win2008R2 installed.
      • We have a loaner which ewong is working on (see blog for more information).
      • L10n repacks are broken on aurora and central because the patch from bug 1210791 hasn’t been reviewed yet.
    • comm-central:
      • Linux*: Green
        • (patches from bug 1187222 were post-land-review pushed.)
      • OSX64: Current status is that it is ‘busted’; but this is only because of the backlog. (87 pending build jobs)
        • Possibly busted due to bug 1223633, but will need to get past the busted compile step.
    • comm-aurora:
      • Mostly green.
      • OSX64 is very backlogged; But busted because of bug 1223633. Even if not busted, it’d be orange in some parts but that’s due to the firefox.dmg issue bug 958812.
    • comm-beta & comm-release:
  • Re: Tests.. Still broken.
    • Currently bug 1209378 is in progress to fix the perma-brokeness of our testing infrastructure; but it is ‘hard’.
  • See RelEng page for the RelEng status history.

Release Train

  • SeaMonkey 2.39 was released November 8th, 2015.
  • Next merge scheduled for December 14th.
  • Callek would like to get a 2.40 beta out soonish, however it won’t be earlier than 10th since there were a handful of changes that could affect our release process, the most notable of which was the “productdelivery move” (e.g. where we host our bits bug 1223633). We will need to do all the stuff manually.
  • Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: Releases Scheduling

Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking

  • See Basics page. Please only list current changes here.
  • Addon Compatibility Listings
  • Lightning 4.4b2 shows no button icons (that’s for SeaMonkey 2.39). To be fixed in bug 1211643. The patch now has reviews. Ratty will check the patch in RSN to com-central, comm-aurora, and comm-beta. comm-release pending approvals.
  • We are looking for a new place to host the Addon Compatibility Listings for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in this post.
  • Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/
    This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf – it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there’s only so much an automated tool like that can do.
    • Lemon Juice continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [1].
    • looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [2], bug 1145026.
    • Rainer Bielefeld will no longer update the list of Firefox addons that have been successfully converted by the Addon Converter. — Rrbd (talk) 09:59, 16 August 2015 (PDT)
    • Ratty filed bug 1130390 to add a link on seamonkey-projects.org to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.
    • The AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, seems mature. (It had 9 successive revisions between 27 September and 3 October, and no change since then.) It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a “built-in extension” besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane; the extension actually does much more than the bug’s Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid “You need Firefox 10 or later” popups.
  • The Thunderbird team is now shipping Lightning with Thunderbird. IanN will work on shipping lightning too. Related bugs:
    • bug 516026 Integrate Lightning Into SeaMonkey by Default and Ship SeaMonkey with Lightning Enabled
    • bug 1130854 Package Lightning with Thunderbird for c-c and c-a builds.
    • bug 1113183 Integrate Lightning Into Thunderbird by Default.
    • bug 1130852 Add opt-in dialog to promote Calendar integration [Thunderbird].
  • Ratty has the Firefox Devtools up and running. We can now use the Firefox Devtools debugger in both remote and local mode.
    • Venkman is now totally retired R.I.P..

2.x (Last, Current, Next)

2.39

open tracking (0)
tracking requests (6)
targeted (2)
fixed (15)

2.Next

  • We have official permission to use the Firefox FxA 2.0 sync servers! We need someone to work on porting sync 2.0 over to replace legacy sync code. The finer details of how are so far unknown, but we should have a usable solution before legacy sync is turned off. See: New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly. Tracked in:
    • bug 998807 Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
    • bug 1003434 Add support for about:sync-progress.
  • Stalled. Needs a kick.
    • bug 815954 Click-to-Play: Port bug 812562 (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).
    • bug 476108 GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].
  • Current breakages:
  • Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:
    • Changes to Safe Browsing.
    • Firefox is currently changing styles of several Toolkit pages
      • already affected: config.xul for about:config, bug 1125636
      • Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: bug 1097111 – SeaMonkey tracking in bug 1133743
      • Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles
      • Fallout thus far: bug 1133582 about:config (Modern)
      • Ratty restored about:privatebrowsing UI to before it was messed up by Project Chameleon styles [bug 1192276]. Subsequent to Chameleon, Firefox developers have again redesigned the about:privatebrowsing UI to include UI for tracking protection. We should look into picking any changes we like.
      • mozilla-central bug 1189918 and bug 1190465 allow to fork Toolkit style pages for the classic/default/modern theme without harming theme developers. SeaMonkey bug 1022354 will move theme overrides to the theme manifests.
        • affected pages that should be reverted are about:config [bug 1222816], about:addons [bug 1222817], about:support [bug 1222818] (look ok in Modern but hurt in the Default theme).
    • A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.
    • bug 566746 (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:
      • bug 912031 Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite.
    • The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.
    • bug 825588 Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and bug 851471 Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:
      • bug 888915 Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. Neil has a WIP patch on hand.
    • We’ve picked up he default for security.tls.version.min from Mozilla Core, but security.tls.version.fallback-limit is new. So we need to consider adding the latter to our preferences UI (bug 1123673).
      • Currently unclear whether or not this should be done after bug 1084025 disable insecure TLS version fallback entirely by default [3]
      • alternative proposal is to make whitelist for acceptable fallback sites available in the UI, which seems to make more sense.

Feature List, Planning

Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: 37 new, 6 fixed, 13 triaged.

  • low triaging effort, larger than average number of new bugs filed.
  • Ratty has a SeaMonkey build with a working Firefox Devtools!!!! Relevant patches:
    • bug 1208112 Package DevTools client in SeaMonkey now that it’s been moved out of /browser/ [checked-in].
    • bug 1223338 Add DevTools client L10N language files to SeaMonkey builds [checked-in].
    • bug 1223341 Add the Firefox Devtools to the SeaMonkey UI. Waiting for review.
    • bug 1223344 Some tweaks to gDevTools.jsm to get Devtools working in SeaMonkey [Devtools]. Waiting for review.
    • Not working yet: WebIDE and Responsive Design. But everything else seems to work.
  • Fundamental core features Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:
    • bug 1222546 Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
      • if effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes disfunct
      • no sufficiently plausible specifics provided ‘why’ full themes ‘must’ no longer be supported
      • may prohibit Modern theme being shipped with or installed in SeaMonkey
      • removal is “decided” without any clear alternative envisioned
  • IanN thinks it would be useful to remind people on the newsgroups / forums that they can contribute by triaging. Tonymec will post a reminder to newsgroups / forums. See bug 1092632 (Sm_tri_HowTo) Document how to triage SeaMonkey bugs.

Open reviews/flags:
55 review
5 super-review
1 ui-review
12 feedback

  • See Feature List page for major wanted/needed features.
  • TODO:
    • Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
      • bug 1127784 added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
      • more work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
  • What about declaring linux-x86_64 builds found at seamonkey-project.org and at ftp.m.o as “official” ?

On October 7 two people asked in #seamonkey at a few minutes’ interval when there would be “official” 64-bit SM builds for Linux. I pointed them to the x86_64 release at the bottom of the “Other languages” release page for 2.38 and to the x86_64 2.40a2 aurora & 2.41a1 trunk builds at the bottom of the ftp.m.o nightly/latest-comm-* pages but they said these were not “official”.

So — how are we going to get out of the following vicious circle? 64-bit builds are not “official” because too few users, and users don’t install them (some even prefer compiling their own) because they aren’t “official”.

Maybe change the online documentation? (perhaps as part of bug 1208822 “System Requirements page needs update”?)

Tonymec (talk) 13:56, 7 October 2015 (PDT)

  • [ewong:] what’s the prerequisites of making the Linux64 builds ‘official’ aside for the issue of getting the tests done for Linux64; but our testing infrastructure is busted. bug 1209378

Roundtable – Personal Status Updates

Status Updates from developers – what are you working on, what’s the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).

IanN

  • Usual localising, testing, reviewing, commenting and approving.
  • Fixed:
  • Fixed for c-c:
  • Fixed for m-c:
  • Fixed for m-i/fx-i:
  • Pending tree opening:
  • Pending approval for check in:
  • Pending checkin for dependent bugs:
    • bug 653386 Consider overriding netErrorApp.dtd rather than netError.dtd
  • Checked in pending review:
  • Waiting for feedback/review/information:
    • bug 1061348 Port |bug 575283 – Cleanup mozconfig files on all platforms| to SeaMonkey
    • bug 1163441 Use FINAL_TARGET_FILES and DIST_FILES for Thunderbird themes
  • Fixing review comments before checkin:
    • bug 757230 When using add button for permissions in Data Manager set a displayHost
    • bug 798147 Switch to correct pref pane if pref window already open
  • Working on:
    • bug 1101381 Printing throws error: DEPRECATION WARNING: getWebBrowserPrint is now deprecated, and fully unsupported for multi-process browsers. Please use a frame script to get access to nsIWebBrowserPrint from content
    • bug 1190179 Port |bug 1067325 – Add an option to view html source in a tab| to SeaMonkey
    • bug 1051642 Allow for flat chrome format when packaging extensions
    • bug 943335 [TB] Update icons used in searchplugins (Yahoo, eBay, Wikipedia, Amazon, Bing, Twitter)
    • Various SM Council documents.
    • bug 606683 Allow customization of toolbar in Composer and MailNews Composition
    • bug 639690 [META] Re-arrange code between editor and editorOverlay
    • bug 773979 [META] Switch to new drag and drop api in SeaMonkey
    • bug 657234 Move pasteQuote and pasteNoFormatting into contentAreaContextOverlay
    • File/Folder selection in windows.
  • To Do:
    • bug 639395 Get cmd_fontSize to reflect current state of selected content / content at caret.
    • Prefs-in-a-tab.
    • Create FAQ for Friends of the Fish Tank.
    • Help get composer standalone builds working with –enable-tests.

Neil

Needs checkin:

  • bug 1222491 Update Modern theme for recent changes in web notifications.
  • bug 1223135 Switch Page Info to use principals.

Still needs comm-beta checkin:

Still waiting for feedback:

  • bug 888915 Convert SeaMonkey Downloads Manager to Downloads.jsm

Still waiting for review:

Rainer Bielefeld

I will not be able to participate.

DONE:

Triaging
Invitation (English and German) to users who have not been involved yet.
Additional invitations, marketing and so on by tonymec is a good idea.

TODO:

Release notes
We need some more than only replacing old version numbers by new ones, see various related Bugs

Any ideas how we can support? That should not be a task only for InvisibleSmiley, we will have to improve the very old concept of that page

Ratty

[From 2015-10-27 to 2015-11-10]
Fixed:

  • bug 1218103 Update references to devtools paths after bug 1203159 (Migrate DevTools resources to resource://devtools/ URLs).
  • bug 1218192 Addon manager fails to initialize properly on startup. Package Devtools-server files. [Instantbird]
  • bug 1219398 Restartless addons don’t work if the Devtools files are not packaged in the installer. [Thunderbird]
  • bug 1219308 Change BrowserSearch from a const to a var because ES7 changed how ‘const’ works.
  • bug 1221067 error: no matching function for call to ‘NS_NewStreamLoader’ [MailNews Core].
  • bug 1222472 (SeaMonkey) Use ObjDirPaths for GENERATED_INCLUDES and merge with LOCAL_INCLUDES.
  • bug 1222479 Use ObjDirPaths for GENERATED_INCLUDES and merge with LOCAL_INCLUDES (TB and IB)

In Progress:

  • bug 1011857 Implement CustomizableUI shim for SeaMonkey.
  • Thunderbird defaut theme overrides.

Waiting for review:

  • bug 1022354 SeaMonkey forces 3rd-party themes to not use defaultFavicon.png but hardcode a bookmarks-item.png.
  • bug 1149775 Implement tabbrowser methods getBrowserForOuterWindowID() and getTabForBrowser() used by about:performance
  • bug 1204338 More Refactoring: Followup to bug 403800 Refactor netError.dtd/netErrorApp.dtd. [mozilla-central]
  • bug 1211166 Use AppConstants in SessionRecorder.jsm [Toolkit]
  • bug 1218087 NS_ERROR_FAILURE: Failure arg 0 [nsICacheStorageService.diskCacheStorage] in pageInfo.js and metadata.js; [nsICacheStorageService.appCacheStorage] in pref-offlineapps.js.

[From 2015-11-11 to 2015-11-24]
Fixed:

  • bug 1149775 Implement tabbrowser methods getBrowserForOuterWindowID() and getTabForBrowser() used by about:performance
  • bug 1204338 More Refactoring: Followup to bug 403800 Refactor netError.dtd/netErrorApp.dtd. [mozilla-central]
  • bug 1223338 Add DevTools client L10N language files to SeaMonkey builds.
  • bug 1226822 |make pkg| fails with Error : suite/installer/removed-files.in:755: Removal of packaged file(s): extensions/{972ce4c6-7e08-4474-a285-3208198ce6fd}.xpi.

In Progress:

  • bug 1011857 Implement CustomizableUI shim for SeaMonkey.
  • Thunderbird defaut theme overrides.

Waiting for review:

  • bug 1022354 SeaMonkey forces 3rd-party themes to not use defaultFavicon.png but hardcode a bookmarks-item.png.
  • bug 1211166 Use AppConstants in SessionRecorder.jsm [Toolkit]
  • bug 1218087 NS_ERROR_FAILURE: Failure arg 0 [nsICacheStorageService.diskCacheStorage] in pageInfo.js and metadata.js; [nsICacheStorageService.appCacheStorage] in pref-offlineapps.js.
  • bug 1223341 Add the Firefox Devtools to the SeaMonkey UI.
  • bug 1223344 Some tweaks to gDevTools.jsm to get Devtools working in SeaMonkey.

Investigate:

  • bug 1224907 Bookmarks Manager Search Button is missing in SeaMonkey 2.3.9.

TODO:

  • Front end changes needed for bug 1042699 Block cross-origin add-on install requests.
  • Port bug 1048048 add preload content policy types for images.
  • bug 1174466 Popup blocker: Need to allow popups opened by loaded javascript: URIs from the location bar. Regression from bug 896947.

Other stuff:

  • Did some reviews and approvals.
  • Bug triage and Bug discussions.
  • Usual end user support and PR in newsgroups and Mozillazine.

rsx11m

Waiting for checkin:

  • bug 1152644 Add UI in Notifications preference pane whether or not to use libnotify for new-mail alerts on Linux.

May need retargeting:

  • bug 1123673 Consider exposing security.tls.version.fallback-limit in SSL prefpane to accommodate SSL 3.0 legacy sites.

Other:

  • Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.
  • End-user information and discussion on MozillaZine.

tonymec

DONE:

  • The Triage HowTo page has been moved to SeaMonkey/QA/Triage_HowTo, still in this wiki, with the work-in-progress banner commented out and the “SeaMonkey QA” infobox added.
  • If a better name is found, anyone with a wikimoz account can move it. In that case, please update also the redirect at User:Tonymec/Triage HowTo and the infobox at Template:SeaMonkey-QA.
  • Otherwise, or after it is done, bug 1092632 can be RESOLVED FIXED.
  • IMHO this page can live on wikimoz, together with the other QA documentation.

TODO:

  • The next time I get a crash on a “build without symbols”, see if the minidump_stackwalk program used by tooltool, whose L64 version I have downloaded, can make sense of the crash data and of the crashreporter-symbols.zip to generate a human-readable stack dump.
  • If it can:
    • propose it as as something that can be distributed with trunk (and aurora?) builds of SeaMonkey. It is binary, not cross-platform, but different binaries exist for the different supported platforms. Maybe add the binary for the proper platform at the top level of the installdir, side-by-side with the “seamonkey” executable?
    • document it in the Triage HowTo, or as a side page linked to it, highlighting anything which gave me trouble and how to avoid my blunders.
  • See also bug 1214301 (and thanks to Ted Mielczarek for mentioning this program, and to Jesse Ruderman for helping me find it). I have listed some “interesting URLs” (mostly documentation) as an attachment to the bug, for future use by me or by anyone interested.

Any other business?

  • Px asks:
    • When will regular Windows builds be back online, what about adding x64 build too, at least for nightlies?
      • Callek: No x64 windows builds anytime soon for us.
      • Ewong is working on getting some builds automated.
    • FF team disabled all plugins except Flash for x64 builds, what about reverting this change for x64 SeaMonkey?
      • Callek: It was done for “better of the web” and “security” reasons, but I’m not strictly adverse to it either. I’d be happier if someone articulated a case for reverting the block of a specific plugin (which version[s]) and why?

SeaMonkey Meeting Details

11-November-2015

SeaMonkey: 2015-11-10

Filed under: Posts — Tags: — Jesper Kristensen @ 12:00 am

Agenda

  • Who’s taking minutes? -> Ratty
  • Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:

Action Items

(who needs to do what that hasn’t been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

NEW

OPEN

  • Send a delicious cake to each of our RelEng Team for all their hard work getting SeaMonkey 2.35 and 2.38 out of the door. Assigned to Ratty.
  • Need to port Sync 1.5 to SeaMonkey – IanN has spoken briefly to ewong about options, Ratty might be able to help too.
  • bug 1198340 The carousel within Add-On Manager can be used for SeaMonkey specific content. TO DO: Find out what sort of format AMO needs for the carousel. Get our webdev person to create necessary content. Submit content for upload to AMO.
    • Unfortunately nobody knows exactly how addons.mozilla.works because there’s no full time developer working on AMO. Ratty was given bug 1009759 as an example. So now we need someone who knows python+django.
  • bug 1121281 tracks the RelEng automation migration off CVS. Everything is now in a single repo, patches for using that new repo are awaiting a review from Callek. [NB: The requisite patches *have* been pushed to the necessary repos (as part of the post-land-review process).]

CLOSED

Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree

  • Notes:
    • Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as bug 1092468 and bug 1108970. Migrating our Windows builders to Win2008 and our compiler toolchain to VS2013 would likely solve this and other bustages.
    • There are also some upcoming changes to L10n build system in Q1 2015 (bug 1107635).
    • Buildmaster is up and running, and produces en-US builds, see 9/16 meeting’s Friends of the Fish Tank. Builds and langpacks in 18 languages including en-US are available unofficially thanks to A.Kalla.
    • bug 1083689 Langpacks aren’t updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren’t uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).
    • For various reasons we don’t have a working SeaMonkey Treeherder.
    • wrt bug 1155011, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on bug 1155013 require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.
  • [10th November 2015]
    • All trees:
      • Windows platform still busted due to needing Win2008R2 installed.
      • We have a loaner which ewong is working on (see blog for more information).
      • L10n repacks are broken on aurora and central because the patch from bug 1210791 hasn’t been reviewed yet.
    • comm-central:
    • comm-aurora:
      • Mostly green. OSX64 orange in some parts but that’s due to the firefox.dmg issue bug 958812.
    • comm-beta & comm-release:
  • Re: Tests.. Still broken.
    • Currently bug 1209378 is in progress to fix the perma-brokeness of our testing infrastructure; but it is ‘hard’.
  • See RelEng page for the RelEng status history.

Release Train

  • SeaMonkey 2.38 was released September 26th 2015.
  • SeaMonkey 2.39 beta was released November 2nd.
  • SeaMonkey 2.39 final was released November 8th.
  • Next merge scheduled for December 14th.
    • mozilla-beta → mozilla-release merge happened on October 26th;
    • remaining merges were performed for October 28th already.
  • Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: Releases Scheduling

Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking

  • See Basics page. Please only list current changes here.
  • Addon Compatibility Listings
  • Lightning 4.4b2 shows no button icons (that’s for SeaMonkey 2.39). To be fixed in bug 1211643. The patch now has reviews. Ratty will check the patch in RSN to com-central, comm-aurora, and comm-beta. comm-release pending approvals.
  • We are looking for a new place to host the Addon Compatibility Listings for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in this post.
  • Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/
    This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf – it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there’s only so much an automated tool like that can do.
    • Lemon Juice continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [1].
    • looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [2], bug 1145026.
    • Rainer Bielefeld will no longer update the list of Firefox addons that have been successfully converted by the Addon Converter. — Rrbd (talk) 09:59, 16 August 2015 (PDT)
    • Ratty filed bug 1130390 to add a link on seamonkey-projects.org to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.
    • The AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, seems mature. (It had 9 successive revisions between 27 September and 3 October, and no change since then.) It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a “built-in extension” besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane; the extension actually does much more than the bug’s Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid “You need Firefox 10 or later” popups.
  • The Thunderbird team is now shipping Lightning with Thunderbird. IanN will work on shipping lightning too. Related bugs:
    • bug 516026 Integrate Lightning Into SeaMonkey by Default and Ship SeaMonkey with Lightning Enabled
    • bug 1130854 Package Lightning with Thunderbird for c-c and c-a builds.
    • bug 1113183 Integrate Lightning Into Thunderbird by Default.
    • bug 1130852 Add opt-in dialog to promote Calendar integration [Thunderbird].
  • Proposed replacement for Venkman for shipping with SeaMonkey: Tiny JavaScript Debugger. TinyJSD is a JavaScript debugger for privileged code running Mozilla products like Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey. It serves to debug the application as well as extensions written in JavaScript.
    • IanN filed bug 1133723 Investigate options for replacing Venkman with the TinyJSDebugger.
  • Ratty has the Firefox Devtools up and running. We can now use the Firefox Devtools debugger in both remote and local mode.

2.x (Last, Current, Next)

2.38

open tracking (0)
tracking requests (2)
targeted (1)
fixed (12)

2.39

open tracking (0)
tracking requests (6)
targeted (2)
fixed (15)

2.Next

  • We have official permission to use the Firefox FxA 2.0 sync servers! We need someone to work on porting sync 2.0 over to replace legacy sync code. The finer details of how are so far unknown, but we should have a usable solution before legacy sync is turned off. See: New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly. Tracked in:
    • bug 998807 Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
    • bug 1003434 Add support for about:sync-progress.
  • Stalled. Needs a kick.
    • bug 815954 Click-to-Play: Port bug 812562 (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).
    • bug 476108 GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].
  • Current breakages:
  • Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:
    • Changes to Safe Browsing.
    • mozilla-central bug 1146454 changed the printing API. IanN has migrated comm-central to the new API [bug 1195863].
    • Firefox is currently changing styles of several Toolkit pages
      • already affected: config.xul for about:config, bug 1125636
      • Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: bug 1097111 – SeaMonkey tracking in bug 1133743
      • Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles
      • Fallout thus far: bug 1133582 about:config (Modern)
      • Ratty restored about:privatebrowsing UI to before it was messed up by Project Chameleon styles [bug 1192276]. Subsequent to Chameleon, Firefox developers have again redesigned the about:privatebrowsing UI to include UI for tracking protection. We should look into picking any changes we like.
      • mozilla-central bug 1189918 and bug 1190465 allow to fork Toolkit style pages for the classic/default/modern theme without harming theme developers. SeaMonkey bug 1022354 will move theme overrides to the theme manifests.
        • affected pages that should be reverted are about:config [bug 1222816], about:addons [bug 1222817], about:support [bug 1222818] (look ok in Modern but hurt in the Default theme).
    • A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.
    • bug 566746 (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:
      • bug 912031 Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite.
    • bug 769764 move proxy resolution to separate thread and remove sync api. Tracked in:
      • MailNews bug 791645 Rewrite calls to synchronous nsIProtocolProxyService::DeprecatedBlockingResolve with Async code before DeprecatedBlockingResolve disappears as well.
    • The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.
    • bug 825588 Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and bug 851471 Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:
      • bug 888915 Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. Neil has a WIP patch on hand.
    • We’ve picked up he default for security.tls.version.min from Mozilla Core, but security.tls.version.fallback-limit is new. So we need to consider adding the latter to our preferences UI (bug 1123673).
      • Currently unclear whether or not this should be done after bug 1084025 disable insecure TLS version fallback entirely by default [3]
      • alternative proposal is to make whitelist for acceptable fallback sites available in the UI, which seems to make more sense.

Feature List, Planning

Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: 25 new, 10 fixed, 16 triaged.

  • Medium-low triaging effort, average number of new bugs filed.
  • Ratty has a SeaMonkey build with a (mostly) working Firefox Devtools. Relevant patches:
    • bug 1208112 Package DevTools client in SeaMonkey now that it’s been moved out of /browser/
    • bug 1223338 Add DevTools client L10N language files to SeaMonkey builds.
    • bug 1223341 Add the Firefox Devtools to the SeaMonkey UI.
    • bug 1223344 Some tweaks to gDevTools.jsm to get Devtools working in SeaMonkey [Devtools].
  • Fundamental core features Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:
    • bug 1222546 Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
      • if effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes disfunct
      • no sufficiently plausible specifics provided ‘why’ full themes ‘must’ no longer be supported
      • may prohibit Modern theme being shipped with or installed in SeaMonkey
      • removal is “decided” without any clear alternative envisioned
  • IanN thinks it would be useful to remind people on the newsgroups / forums that they can contribute by triaging. Tonymec will post a reminder to newsgroups / forums. See bug 1092632 (Sm_tri_HowTo) Document how to triage SeaMonkey bugs.
    • The draft is currently at https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Tonymec/Triage_HowTo
    • I have a new computer (at last) and on the last Sunday of August I even found out how to connect it to the Internet. I think the page is essentially finished but I badly need your opinion about it. Anyone with a wikimoz account can edit the page and/or create its Talk page (and is welcome to). If you don’t have a wikimoz account you can still comment on the bug. — Tonymec (talk) 00:17, 27 September 2015 (PDT)
      • So far no wiki comments, no wiki changes, and no bug comments. If such an ear-splitting silence means that there is nothing to improve, please tell me where the page should find its permanent home. If somewhere at wikimoz I can move it myself once I know where. If elsewhere the move will have to be done by someone with file-create permissions at that location, together with a reformatting if not a wikimedia-powered site. I am willing to convert the page to “plain HTML+CSS” if the destination requires it. Tonymec (talk) 19:09, 10 October 2015 (PDT)

Open reviews/flags:
50 review
5 super-review
1 ui-review
11 feedback

  • See Feature List page for major wanted/needed features.
  • TODO:
    • Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
      • bug 1127784 added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
      • more work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
  • What about declaring linux-x86_64 builds found at seamonkey-project.org and at ftp.m.o as “official” ?

On October 7 two people asked in #seamonkey at a few minutes’ interval when there would be “official” 64-bit SM builds for Linux. I pointed them to the x86_64 release at the bottom of the “Other languages” release page for 2.38 and to the x86_64 2.40a2 aurora & 2.41a1 trunk builds at the bottom of the ftp.m.o nightly/latest-comm-* pages but they said these were not “official”.

So — how are we going to get out of the following vicious circle? 64-bit builds are not “official” because too few users, and users don’t install them (some even prefer compiling their own) because they aren’t “official”.

Maybe change the online documentation? (perhaps as part of bug 1208822 “System Requirements page needs update”?)

Tonymec (talk) 13:56, 7 October 2015 (PDT)

  • [ewong:] what’s the prerequisites of making the Linux64 builds ‘official’ aside for the issue of getting the tests done for Linux64; but our testing infrastructure is busted. bug 1209378

Roundtable – Personal Status Updates

Status Updates from developers – what are you working on, what’s the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).

ewong

  • Struggled a bit with the 2.39 releases (2.39b1 and 2.39).
  • Trying to fix the test infra.
  • Working on the Sync patch.

IanN

  • Usual localising, testing, reviewing, commenting and approving.
  • Fixed:
    • bug 1222707 “Change Home Screen” shows both the old and new homescreens with the same name
  • Fixed for c-c:
  • Fixed for m-c:
  • Fixed for m-i/fx-i:
  • Pending tree opening:
  • Pending approval for check in:
  • Pending checkin for dependent bugs:
    • bug 653386 Consider overriding netErrorApp.dtd rather than netError.dtd
  • Checked in pending review:
  • Waiting for feedback/review/information:
    • bug 1061348 Port |bug 575283 – Cleanup mozconfig files on all platforms| to SeaMonkey
    • bug 1163441 Use FINAL_TARGET_FILES and DIST_FILES for Thunderbird themes
    • bug 1195129 Port |bug 1027890 – Remove all sorts of build system code dedicated to pymake| and |bug 1082323 – Reject pymake in client.mk| to comm-central
    • bug 1195246 Port client.mk changes from |bug 1188766 – sccache setup with UPLOAD_EXTRA_FILES makes some files uploaded multiple times| to comm-central
    • bug 1195258 Port |bug 710147 – Pass more targets from client.mk to the build system| and |bug 911936 – Kill make depend| to comm-central
    • bug 1195264 Port |bug 741839 – client.mk: consolidate $(wildcard calls) to reduce overhead| and client.mk parts of |bug 774106 – Change how virtualenv is populated| to comm-central
    • bug 1195331 Port |bug 762358 – .mozconfig changes don’t cause configure to run| to comm-central
  • Fixing review comments before checkin:
    • bug 757230 When using add button for permissions in Data Manager set a displayHost
    • bug 798147 Switch to correct pref pane if pref window already open
  • Working on:
    • bug 1101381 Printing throws error: DEPRECATION WARNING: getWebBrowserPrint is now deprecated, and fully unsupported for multi-process browsers. Please use a frame script to get access to nsIWebBrowserPrint from content
    • bug 1190179 Port |bug 1067325 – Add an option to view html source in a tab| to SeaMonkey
    • bug 1051642 Allow for flat chrome format when packaging extensions
    • bug 943335 [TB] Update icons used in searchplugins (Yahoo, eBay, Wikipedia, Amazon, Bing, Twitter)
    • Various SM Council documents.
    • bug 606683 Allow customization of toolbar in Composer and MailNews Composition
    • bug 639690 [META] Re-arrange code between editor and editorOverlay
    • bug 773979 [META] Switch to new drag and drop api in SeaMonkey
    • bug 657234 Move pasteQuote and pasteNoFormatting into contentAreaContextOverlay
    • File/Folder selection in windows.
  • To Do:
    • bug 639395 Get cmd_fontSize to reflect current state of selected content / content at caret.
    • Prefs-in-a-tab.
    • Create FAQ for Friends of the Fish Tank.
    • Help get composer standalone builds working with –enable-tests.

rsx11m

Waiting for checkin:

  • bug 1152644 Add UI in Notifications preference pane whether or not to use libnotify for new-mail alerts on Linux.

Filed:

  • bug 1222816 Restore about:config UI (Config Editor) to old appearance by overriding Toolkit’s Project Chameleon styles.
  • bug 1222817 Restore about:addons UI (Addons Manager) to old appearance by overriding Toolkit’s Project Chameleon styles.
  • bug 1222818 Restore about:support UI (Troubleshooting Information) to old appearance by overriding Toolkit’s Project Chameleon styles.
  • bug 1222823 Tracking flag for status-firefox42=affected is still set automatically when filing SeaMonkey Trunk bugs.

May need retargeting:

  • bug 1123673 Consider exposing security.tls.version.fallback-limit in SSL prefpane to accommodate SSL 3.0 legacy sites.

Other:

  • Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.
  • End-user information and discussion on MozillaZine.

Any other business?

  • North-American Daylight Saving Time ended November 1st, thus back to regular 8am Eastern Standard Time.

SeaMonkey Meeting Details

28-October-2015

SeaMonkey: 2015-10-27

Filed under: Posts — Tags: — Jesper Kristensen @ 12:00 am

Agenda

  • Who’s taking minutes? -> Ratty
  • Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
    • None this time

Action Items

(who needs to do what that hasn’t been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

NEW

  • Send a delicious cake to each of our RelEng Team for all their hard work getting SeaMonkey 2.35 and 2.38 out of the door. Assigned to Ratty.

OPEN

  • Need to port Sync 1.5 to SeaMonkey – IanN has spoken briefly to ewong about options, Ratty might be able to help too.
  • bug 1198340 The carousel within Add-On Manager can be used for SeaMonkey specific content. TO DO: Find out what sort of format AMO needs for the carousel. Get our webdev person to create necessary content. Submit content for upload to AMO.
    • Unfortunately nobody knows exactly how addons.mozilla.works because there’s no full time developer working on AMO. Ratty was given bug 1009759 as an example. So now we need someone who knows python+django.
  • bug 1121281 tracks the RelEng automation migration off CVS. Everything is now in a single repo, patches for using that new repo are awaiting a review from Callek. [NB: The requisite patches *have* been pushed to the necessary repos (as part of the post-land-review process).]

CLOSED

Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree

  • Notes:
    • Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as bug 1092468 and bug 1108970. Migrating our Windows builders to Win2008 and our compiler toolchain to VS2013 would likely solve this and other bustages.
    • There are also some upcoming changes to L10n build system in Q1 2015 (bug 1107635).
    • Buildmaster is up and running, and produces en-US builds, see 9/16 meeting’s Friends of the Fish Tank. Builds and langpacks in 18 languages including en-US are available unofficially thanks to A.Kalla.
    • bug 1083689 Langpacks aren’t updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren’t uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).
    • For various reasons we don’t have a working SeaMonkey Treeherder.
    • wrt bug 1155011, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on bug 1155013 require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.
  • [27th October 2015]
    • All trees:
      • Windows platform still busted due to needing Win2008R2 installed.
      • We have a loaner which ewong is working on (see blog for more information).
    • comm-central:
    • comm-aurora:
      • Linux32-debug : busted due to bug 1204162.
        • temporary patch was pushed to c-c so it’s green there; but, needs to either be pushed to comm-aurora and comm-beta, or the bug fixed. (depends on bug 1203803).
        • IanN has given approval for the temporary fix to be pushed to comm-aurora and comm-beta.comm-aurora is merging to comm-beta next Monday. If ewong times it right he can push it tomorrow and then we won’t need to push it to comm-beta.
      • OSX64: Busted due to bug 1208852 and bug 1218160.
    • comm-beta & comm-release:
      • OSX64: Orange: due to bug 958812 (This has always been orange since a long time ago – unfortunately, not in a galaxy far far away.)
  • Re: Tests.. Broken. Very Broken. [said with a James Bond accent.]
    • That said, all the tests are busted in some way or another. (SERGE… WHERE ARE YOU?)
    • Currently bug 1209378 is in progress to fix the perma-brokeness of our testing infrastructure; but it is ‘hard’.
  • See RelEng page for the RelEng status history.

Release Train

  • SeaMonkey 2.38 was released September 26th 2015.
  • 2.39 beta 1 will be spun tomorrow 2015-10-28 (bug 1217273).
  • Next merges:
    • mozilla-beta → mozilla-release merge happened on October 26th;
    • remaining merges scheduled for November 2nd.
  • Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: Releases Scheduling

Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking

  • See Basics page. Please only list current changes here.
  • Addon Compatibility Listings
  • Lightning 4.4b2 shows no button icons (that’s for SeaMonkey 2.39). To be fixed in bug 1211643.
  • We are looking for a new place to host the Addon Compatibility Listings for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in this post.
  • Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/
    This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf – it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there’s only so much an automated tool like that can do.
    • Lemon Juice continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [1].
    • looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [2], bug 1145026.
    • Rainer Bielefeld will no longer update the list of Firefox addons that have been successfully converted by the Addon Converter. — Rrbd (talk) 09:59, 16 August 2015 (PDT)
    • Ratty filed bug 1130390 to add a link on seamonkey-projects.org to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.
    • The AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, seems mature. (It had 9 successive revisions between 27 September and 3 October, and no change since then.) It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a “built-in extension” besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane; the extension actually does much more than the bug’s Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid “You need Firefox 10 or later” popups.
  • The Thunderbird team is now shipping Lightning with Thunderbird. IanN will work on shipping lightning too. Related bugs:
    • bug 516026 Integrate Lightning Into SeaMonkey by Default and Ship SeaMonkey with Lightning Enabled
    • bug 1130854 Package Lightning with Thunderbird for c-c and c-a builds.
    • bug 1113183 Integrate Lightning Into Thunderbird by Default.
    • bug 1130852 Add opt-in dialog to promote Calendar integration [Thunderbird].
  • Proposed replacement for Venkman for shipping with SeaMonkey: Tiny JavaScript Debugger. TinyJSD is a JavaScript debugger for privileged code running Mozilla products like Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey. It serves to debug the application as well as extensions written in JavaScript.
    • IanN filed bug 1133723 Investigate options for replacing Venkman with the TinyJSDebugger.
  • On trunk, restartless add-ons were broken at some point after 19 October (due to bug 1203159 and/or bug 1217687 in Firefox::Devtools) then worked again after Ratty landed bug 1208112 on the 25th.

2.x (Last, Current, Next)

2.38

open tracking (0)
tracking requests (2)
targeted (1)
fixed (12)

2.Next

  • We have official permission to use the Firefox FxA 2.0 sync servers! We need someone to work on porting sync 2.0 over to replace legacy sync code. The finer details of how are so far unknown, but we should have a usable solution before legacy sync is turned off. See: New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly. Tracked in:
    • bug 998807 Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
    • bug 1003434 Add support for about:sync-progress.
  • Stalled. Needs a kick.
    • bug 815954 Click-to-Play: Port bug 812562 (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).
    • bug 476108 GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].
  • Current breakages:
  • Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:
    • Changes to Safe Browsing.
    • mozilla-central bug 1146454 changed the printing API. IanN has migrated comm-central to the new API [bug 1195863].
    • Firefox is currently changing styles of several Toolkit pages
      • already affected: config.xul for about:config, bug 1125636
      • Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: bug 1097111 – SeaMonkey tracking in bug 1133743
      • Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles
      • Fallout thus far: bug 1133582 about:config (Modern)
      • Ratty restored about:privatebrowsing UI to before it was messed up by Project Chameleon styles [bug 1192276]. Subsequent to Chameleon, Firefox developers have again redesigned the about:privatebrowsing UI to include UI for tracking protection. We should look into picking any changes we like.
      • other affected pages are about:addons, about:support (look ok in Modern but hurt in the Default theme).
    • A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.
    • bug 566746 (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:
      • bug 912031 Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite.
    • bug 769764 move proxy resolution to separate thread and remove sync api. Tracked in:
      • MailNews bug 791645 Rewrite calls to synchronous nsIProtocolProxyService::DeprecatedBlockingResolve with Async code before DeprecatedBlockingResolve disappears as well.
    • The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.
    • bug 825588 Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and bug 851471 Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:
      • bug 888915 Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. Neil has a WIP patch on hand.
    • We’ve picked up he default for security.tls.version.min from Mozilla Core, but security.tls.version.fallback-limit is new. So we need to consider adding the latter to our preferences UI (bug 1123673).
      • Currently unclear whether or not this should be done after bug 1084025 disable insecure TLS version fallback entirely by default [3]
      • alternative proposal is to make whitelist for acceptable fallback sites available in the UI, which seems to make more sense.

Feature List, Planning

Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: 24 new, 8 fixed, 24 triaged.

  • Medium-low triaging effort, average number of new bugs filed.
  • IanN thinks it would be useful to remind people on the newsgroups / forums that they can contribute by triaging. Tonymec will post a reminder to newsgroups / forums. See bug 1092632 (Sm_tri_HowTo) Document how to triage SeaMonkey bugs.
    • The draft is currently at https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Tonymec/Triage_HowTo
    • I have a new computer (at last) and on the last Sunday of August I even found out how to connect it to the Internet. I think the page is essentially finished but I badly need your opinion about it. Anyone with a wikimoz account can edit the page and/or create its Talk page (and is welcome to). If you don’t have a wikimoz account you can still comment on the bug. — Tonymec (talk) 00:17, 27 September 2015 (PDT)
      • So far no wiki comments, no wiki changes, and no bug comments. If such an ear-splitting silence means that there is nothing to improve, please tell me where the page should find its permanent home. If somewhere at wikimoz I can move it myself once I know where. If elsewhere the move will have to be done by someone with file-create permissions at that location, together with a reformatting if not a wikimedia-powered site. I am willing to convert the page to “plain HTML+CSS” if the destination requires it. Tonymec (talk) 19:09, 10 October 2015 (PDT)

Open reviews/flags:
51 review
5 super-review
1 ui-review
13 feedback

  • See Feature List page for major wanted/needed features.
  • TODO:
    • Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
      • bug 1127784 added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
      • more work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
  • What about declaring linux-x86_64 builds found at seamonkey-project.org and at ftp.m.o as “official” ?

On October 7 two people asked in #seamonkey at a few minutes’ interval when there would be “official” 64-bit SM builds for Linux. I pointed them to the x86_64 release at the bottom of the “Other languages” release page for 2.38 and to the x86_64 2.40a2 aurora & 2.41a1 trunk builds at the bottom of the ftp.m.o nightly/latest-comm-* pages but they said these were not “official”.

So — how are we going to get out of the following vicious circle? 64-bit builds are not “official” because too few users, and users don’t install them (some even prefer compiling their own) because they aren’t “official”.

Maybe change the online documentation? (perhaps as part of bug 1208822 “System Requirements page needs update”?)

Tonymec (talk) 13:56, 7 October 2015 (PDT)

  • [ewong:] what’s the prerequisites of making the Linux64 builds ‘official’ aside for the issue of getting the tests done for Linux64; but our testing infrastructure is busted. bug 1209378

Roundtable – Personal Status Updates

Status Updates from developers – what are you working on, what’s the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).

ewong

  • Working on:
    • bug 1022319 – Implement support for sync 1.5 and FxA in SeaMonkey
    • bug 1209378 – [Tracking bug] Fix SeaMonkey’s testing infrastructure
    • bug 1213144 – Fix fallout from bug 957911

IanN

  • Usual localising, testing, reviewing, commenting and approving.
  • Fixed:
  • Fixed for c-c:
  • Fixed for m-c:
  • Fixed for m-i/fx-i:
  • Pending tree opening:
  • Pending approval for check in:
  • Pending checkin for dependent bugs:
    • bug 653386 Consider overriding netErrorApp.dtd rather than netError.dtd
  • Checked in pending review:
  • Waiting for feedback/review/information:
    • bug 1061348 Port |bug 575283 – Cleanup mozconfig files on all platforms| to SeaMonkey
    • bug 1163441 Use FINAL_TARGET_FILES and DIST_FILES for Thunderbird themes
    • bug 1195129 Port |bug 1027890 – Remove all sorts of build system code dedicated to pymake| and |bug 1082323 – Reject pymake in client.mk| to comm-central
    • bug 1195246 Port client.mk changes from |bug 1188766 – sccache setup with UPLOAD_EXTRA_FILES makes some files uploaded multiple times| to comm-central
    • bug 1195258 Port |bug 710147 – Pass more targets from client.mk to the build system| and |bug 911936 – Kill make depend| to comm-central
    • bug 1195264 Port |bug 741839 – client.mk: consolidate $(wildcard calls) to reduce overhead| and client.mk parts of |bug 774106 – Change how virtualenv is populated| to comm-central
    • bug 1195331 Port |bug 762358 – .mozconfig changes don’t cause configure to run| to comm-central
  • Fixing review comments before checkin:
    • bug 757230 When using add button for permissions in Data Manager set a displayHost
    • bug 798147 Switch to correct pref pane if pref window already open
  • Working on:
    • bug 1101381 Printing throws error: DEPRECATION WARNING: getWebBrowserPrint is now deprecated, and fully unsupported for multi-process browsers. Please use a frame script to get access to nsIWebBrowserPrint from content
    • bug 1190179 Port |bug 1067325 – Add an option to view html source in a tab| to SeaMonkey
    • bug 1051642 Allow for flat chrome format when packaging extensions
    • bug 943335 [TB] Update icons used in searchplugins (Yahoo, eBay, Wikipedia, Amazon, Bing, Twitter)
    • Various SM Council documents.
    • bug 606683 Allow customization of toolbar in Composer and MailNews Composition
    • bug 639690 [META] Re-arrange code between editor and editorOverlay
    • bug 773979 [META] Switch to new drag and drop api in SeaMonkey
    • bug 657234 Move pasteQuote and pasteNoFormatting into contentAreaContextOverlay
    • File/Folder selection in windows.
  • To Do:
    • bug 639395 Get cmd_fontSize to reflect current state of selected content / content at caret.
    • Prefs-in-a-tab.
    • Create FAQ for Friends of the Fish Tank.
    • Help get composer standalone builds working with –enable-tests.

Neil

Needs checkin and uplift to comm-aurora and comm-beta:

Still waiting for feedback:

  • bug 888915 Convert SeaMonkey Downloads Manager to Downloads.jsm

Still waiting for review:

Ratty

Fixed:

  • bug 1208112 Package DevTools client in SeaMonkey now that it’s been moved out of /browser/.
  • bug 1215829 (package-manifest.in) Packaging update for SeaMonkey; Sync with Firefox; 2013 Part 2 of 2.
  • mozilla-central:
    • bug 1189918 Theme overrides should work in safe mode for comm-central applications too. [Mozilla Core]
    • bug 1190465 Move default theme overrides into separate chrome.manifest for other non-firefox toolkit consumers too. [Toolkit].

In Progress:

  • bug 1011857 Implement CustomizableUI shim for SeaMonkey.
  • bug 1022354 SeaMonkey forces 3rd-party themes to not use defaultFavicon.png but hardcode a bookmarks-item.png.
    • Thunderbird defaut theme overrides.
  • bug 1149775 Implement tabbrowser methods getBrowserForOuterWindowID() and getTabForBrowser() used by about:performance
  • bug 1174466 Popup blocker: Need to allow popups opened by loaded javascript: URIs from the location bar. Regression from bug 896947.
  • bug 1204338 More Refactoring: Followup to bug 403800 Refactor netError.dtd/netErrorApp.dtd. [mozilla-central]
  • bug 1211166 Use AppConstants in SessionRecorder.jsm [Toolkit].
  • bug 1218087 NS_ERROR_FAILURE: Failure arg 0 [nsICacheStorageService.diskCacheStorage] in pageInfo.js and metadata.js; [nsICacheStorageService.appCacheStorage] in pref-offlineapps.js.
  • bug 1218103 Update references to devtools paths after Bug 1203159 (Migrate DevTools resources to resource://devtools/ URLs).

TODO:

  • Front end changes needed for bug 1042699 Block cross-origin add-on install requests.
  • Port bug 1048048 add preload content policy types for images.

Other stuff:

  • Did some reviews and approvals.
  • Bug triage and Bug discussions.
  • Usual end user support and PR in newsgroups and Mozillazine.

rsx11m

Waiting for checkin:

  • bug 1152644 Add UI in Notifications preference pane whether or not to use libnotify for new-mail alerts on Linux.

Pushed on github (thanks ewong!):

  • bug 1209484 Update SeaMonkey vulnerabilities page for 2.35 and 2.38 releases.

May need retargeting:

  • bug 1123673 Consider exposing security.tls.version.fallback-limit in SSL prefpane to accommodate SSL 3.0 legacy sites.

Other:

Any other business?

  • North-American Daylight Saving Time ends November 1st, thus back to regular 8am Eastern Standard Time for the November 10th meeting.

SeaMonkey Meeting Details

13-October-2015

SeaMonkey: 2015-10-13

Filed under: Posts — Tags: — Jesper Kristensen @ 11:00 pm

Agenda

  • Who’s taking minutes? -> TBD
  • Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
    • TBD

Action Items

(who needs to do what that hasn’t been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

NEW

OPEN

  • Need to port Sync 2.0 to SeaMonkey – IanN has spoken briefly to ewong about options, Ratty might be able to help too.
  • bug 1198340 The carousel within Add-On Manager can be used for SeaMonkey specific content. TO DO: Find out what sort of format AMO needs for the carousel. Get our webdev person to create necessary content. Submit content for upload to AMO.
    • Unfortunately nobody knows exactly how addons.mozilla.works because there’s no full time developer working on AMO. Ratty was given bug 1009759 as an example. So now we need someone who knows python+django.
  • bug 1121281 tracks the RelEng automation migration off CVS. Everything is now in a single repo, patches for using that new repo are awaiting a review from Callek.

CLOSED

Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree

  • Notes:
    • Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as bug 1092468 and bug 1108970. Migrating our Windows builders to Win2008 and our compiler toolchain to VS2013 would likely solve this and other bustages.
    • There are also some upcoming changes to L10n build system in Q1 2015 (bug 1107635).
    • Buildmaster is up and running, and produces en-US builds, see 9/16 meeting’s Friends of the Fish Tank. Builds and langpacks in 18 languages including en-US are available unofficially thanks to A.Kalla.
    • bug 1083689 Langpacks aren’t updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren’t uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).
    • For various reasons we don’t have a working SeaMonkey Treeherder.
    • wrt bug 1155011, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on bug 1155013 require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.
  • [29th September 2015]
    • All trees:
      • Windows platform still busted due to needing Win2008R2 installed.
      • We have a loaner which ewong is working on (see blog for more information).
    • comm-central to comm-beta:
    • comm-aurora to comm-beta:
      • Linux32-debug : busted due to bug 1204162.
        • temporary patch was pushed to c-c so it’s green there; but, needs to either be pushed to c-a and c-b, or the bug fixed. (depends on bug 1203803).
    • comm-release:
      • OSX64: Orange due to bug 958812. (This has always been orange since a long time ago.)
  • Re: Tests.. This hasn’t been mentioned before, but that was only because we have been trying to get our normal builds to run.
    • That said, all the tests are busted in some way or another. (SERGE… WHERE ARE YOU?)
  • See RelEng page for the RelEng status history.

Release Train

  • SeaMonkey 2.38 was released September 26th 2015.
  • No ETA for 2.39 beta 1 yet.
  • Next merges:
    • Beta → Release merge scheduled for October 26th;
    • remaining merges scheduled for November 2nd.
  • Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: Releases Scheduling

Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking

  • See Basics page. Please only list current changes here.
  • Addon Compatibility Listings
  • We are looking for a new place to host the Addon Compatibility Listings for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in this post.
  • Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/
    This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf – it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there’s only so much an automated tool like that can do.
    • Lemon Juice continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [1].
    • looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [2], bug 1145026.
    • Rainer Bielefeld will no longer update the list of Firefox addons that have been successfully converted by the Addon Converter. — Rrbd (talk) 09:59, 16 August 2015 (PDT)
    • Ratty filed bug 1130390 to add a link on seamonkey-projects.org to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.
  • The Thunderbird team is now shipping Lightning with Thunderbird. IanN will work on shipping lightning too. Related bugs:
    • bug 516026 Integrate Lightning Into SeaMonkey by Default and Ship SeaMonkey with Lightning Enabled
    • bug 1130854 Package Lightning with Thunderbird for c-c and c-a builds.
    • bug 1113183 Integrate Lightning Into Thunderbird by Default.
    • bug 1130852 Add opt-in dialog to promote Calendar integration [Thunderbird].
  • Proposed replacement for Venkman for shipping with SeaMonkey: Tiny JavaScript Debugger. TinyJSD is a JavaScript debugger for privileged code running Mozilla products like Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey. It serves to debug the application as well as extensions written in JavaScript.
    • IanN filed bug 1133723 Investigate options for replacing Venkman with the TinyJSDebugger.

2.x (Last, Current, Next)

2.38

open tracking (0)
tracking requests (2)
targeted (1)
fixed (12)

2.Next

  • We have official permission to use the Firefox FxA 2.0 sync servers! We need someone to work on porting sync 2.0 over to replace legacy sync code. The finer details of how are so far unknown, but we should have a usable solution before legacy sync is turned off. See: New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly. Tracked in:
    • bug 998807 Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
    • bug 1003434 Add support for about:sync-progress.
  • Stalled. Needs a kick.
    • bug 815954 Click-to-Play: Port bug 812562 (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).
    • bug 476108 GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].
  • Current breakages:
  • Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:
    • Changes to Safe Browsing.
    • mozilla-central bug 1146454 changed the printing API. IanN has migrated comm-central to the new API [bug 1195863].
    • Firefox is currently changing styles of several Toolkit pages
      • already affected: config.xul for about:config, bug 1125636
      • Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: bug 1097111 – SeaMonkey tracking in bug 1133743
      • Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles
      • Fallout thus far: bug 1133582 about:config (Modern)
      • Ratty restored about:privatebrowsing UI to before it was messed up by Project Chameleon styles [bug 1192276]. Subsequent to Chameleon, Firefox developers have again redesigned the about:privatebrowsing UI to include UI for tracking protection. We should look into picking any changes we like.
      • other affected pages are about:addons, about:support (look ok in Modern but hurt in the Default theme).
    • A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.
    • bug 566746 (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:
      • bug 912031 Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite.
    • bug 769764 move proxy resolution to separate thread and remove sync api. Tracked in:
      • MailNews bug 791645 Rewrite calls to synchronous nsIProtocolProxyService::DeprecatedBlockingResolve with Async code before DeprecatedBlockingResolve disappears as well.
    • The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.
    • bug 825588 Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and bug 851471 Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:
      • bug 888915 Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. Neil has a WIP patch on hand.
    • We’ve picked up he default for security.tls.version.min from Mozilla Core, but security.tls.version.fallback-limit is new. So we need to consider adding the latter to our preferences UI (bug 1123673).
      • Currently unclear whether or not this should be done after bug 1084025 disable insecure TLS version fallback entirely by default [3]
      • alternative proposal is to make whitelist for acceptable fallback sites available in the UI, which seems to make more sense.

Feature List, Planning

Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: 32 new, 1 fixed, 17 triaged.

  • Medium-low triaging effort, larger-than-average number of new bugs filed.
  • IanN thinks it would be useful to remind people on the newsgroups / forums that they can contribute by triaging. Tonymec will post a reminder to newsgroups / forums. See bug 1092632 (Sm_tri_HowTo) Document how to triage SeaMonkey bugs.
    • The draft is currently at https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Tonymec/Triage_HowTo
    • I have a new computer (at last) and on the last Sunday of August I even found out how to connect it to the Internet. I think the page is essentially finished but I badly need your opinion about it. Anyone with a wikimoz account can edit the page and/or create its Talk page (and is welcome to). If you don’t have a wikimoz account you can still comment on the bug. — Tonymec (talk) 00:17, 27 September 2015 (PDT)
      • So far no wiki comments, no wiki changes, and no bug comments. If such an ear-splitting silence means that there is nothing to improve, please tell me where the page should find its permanent home. If somewhere at wikimoz I can move it myself once I know where. If elsewhere the move will have to be done by someone with file-create permissions at that location, together with a reformatting if not a wikimedia-powered site. I am willing to convert the page to “plain HTML+CSS” if the destination requires it. Tonymec (talk) 19:09, 10 October 2015 (PDT)

Open reviews/flags:
49 review
5 super-review
1 ui-review
11 feedback

  • See Feature List page for major wanted/needed features.
  • TODO:
    • Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
      • bug 1127784 added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
      • more work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
  • What about declaring linux-x86_64 builds found at seamonkey-project.org and at ftp.m.o as “official” ?

On October 7 two people asked in #seamonkey at a few minutes’ interval when there would be “official” 64-bit SM builds for Linux. I pointed them to the x86_64 release at the bottom of the “Other languages” release page for 2.38 and to the x86_64 2.40a2 aurora & 2.41a1 trunk builds at the bottom of the ftp.m.o nightly/latest-comm-* pages but they said these were not “official”.

So — how are we going to get out of the following vicious circle? 64-bit builds are not “official” because too few users, and users don’t install them (some even prefer compiling their own) because they aren’t “official”.

Maybe change the online documentation? (perhaps as part of bug 1208822 “System Requirements page needs update”?)

Tonymec (talk) 13:56, 7 October 2015 (PDT)

Roundtable – Personal Status Updates

Status Updates from developers – what are you working on, what’s the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).

IanN

  • Usual localising, testing, reviewing, commenting and approving.
  • Fixed:
  • Fixed for c-c:
  • Fixed for m-c:
  • Fixed for m-i/fx-i:
  • Pending tree opening:
  • Pending approval for check in:
  • Pending checkin for dependent bugs:
    • bug 653386 Consider overriding netErrorApp.dtd rather than netError.dtd
  • Checked in pending review:
  • Waiting for feedback/review/information:
    • bug 1061348 Port |bug 575283 – Cleanup mozconfig files on all platforms| to SeaMonkey
    • bug 1163441 Use FINAL_TARGET_FILES and DIST_FILES for Thunderbird themes
    • bug 1195129 Port |bug 1027890 – Remove all sorts of build system code dedicated to pymake| and |bug 1082323 – Reject pymake in client.mk| to comm-central
    • bug 1195246 Port client.mk changes from |bug 1188766 – sccache setup with UPLOAD_EXTRA_FILES makes some files uploaded multiple times| to comm-central
    • bug 1195258 Port |bug 710147 – Pass more targets from client.mk to the build system| and |bug 911936 – Kill make depend| to comm-central
    • bug 1195264 Port |bug 741839 – client.mk: consolidate $(wildcard calls) to reduce overhead| and client.mk parts of |bug 774106 – Change how virtualenv is populated| to comm-central
    • bug 1195331 Port |bug 762358 – .mozconfig changes don’t cause configure to run| to comm-central
  • Fixing review comments before checkin:
    • bug 757230 When using add button for permissions in Data Manager set a displayHost
    • bug 798147 Switch to correct pref pane if pref window already open
  • Working on:
    • bug 1213703 Update en-GB for Gecko 42
    • bug 1101381 Printing throws error: DEPRECATION WARNING: getWebBrowserPrint is now deprecated, and fully unsupported for multi-process browsers. Please use a frame script to get access to nsIWebBrowserPrint from content
    • bug 1190179 Port |bug 1067325 – Add an option to view html source in a tab| to SeaMonkey
    • bug 1051642 Allow for flat chrome format when packaging extensions
    • bug 943335 [TB] Update icons used in searchplugins (Yahoo, eBay, Wikipedia, Amazon, Bing, Twitter)
    • Various SM Council documents.
    • bug 606683 Allow customization of toolbar in Composer and MailNews Composition
    • bug 639690 [META] Re-arrange code between editor and editorOverlay
    • bug 773979 [META] Switch to new drag and drop api in SeaMonkey
    • bug 657234 Move pasteQuote and pasteNoFormatting into contentAreaContextOverlay
    • File/Folder selection in windows.
  • To Do:
    • bug 639395 Get cmd_fontSize to reflect current state of selected content / content at caret.
    • Prefs-in-a-tab.
    • Create FAQ for Friends of the Fish Tank.
    • Help get composer standalone builds working with –enable-tests.

Neil

Waiting for review:

Still waiting for feedback:

  • bug 888915 Convert SeaMonkey Downloads Manager to Downloads.jsm

Still waiting for review:

Ratty

Fixed:

  • Bug 1212510 – Bustage fix: Rename NS_ParseContentType to NS_ParseResponseContentType (caused by Bug 1210302)

In Progress:

  • bug 1011857 Implement CustomizableUI shim for SeaMonkey.
  • bug 1022354 SeaMonkey forces 3rd-party themes to not use defaultFavicon.png but hardcode a bookmarks-item.png.
    • bug 1189918 Theme overrides should work in safe mode for comm-central applications too. [Mozilla Core]
    • bug 1190465 Move default theme overrides into separate chrome.manifest for other non-firefox toolkit consumers too. [Toolkit].
    • Thunderbird defaut theme overrides.
  • bug 1174466 Popup blocker: Need to allow popups opened by loaded javascript: URIs from the location bar. Regression from bug 896947.
  • bug 1204338 More Refactoring: Followup to bug 403800 Refactor netError.dtd/netErrorApp.dtd. [mozilla-central]
  • bug 1208112 Package DevTools client in SeaMonkey now that it’s been moved out of /browser/.
  • bug 1211166 Use AppConstants in SessionRecorder.jsm [Toolkit].

TODO:

  • Front end changes needed for bug 1042699 Block cross-origin add-on install requests.
  • Port bug 1048048 add preload content policy types for images.
  • Implement tabbrowser methods getBrowserForOuterWindowID() and getTabForBrowser() used by about:performance

Other stuff:

  • Did some reviews and approvals.
  • Bug triage and Bug discussions.
  • Usual end user support and PR in newsgroups and Mozillazine.

rsx11m

Waiting for re-review:

  • bug 1152644 Add UI in Notifications preference pane whether or not to use libnotify for new-mail alerts on Linux.

Posted patch and working with Mozilla staff on:

  • bug 1209484 Update SeaMonkey vulnerabilities page for 2.35 and 2.38 releases.

May need retargeting:

  • bug 1123673 Consider exposing security.tls.version.fallback-limit in SSL prefpane to accommodate SSL 3.0 legacy sites.

Other:

  • Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.
  • End-user information and discussion on MozillaZine.

tonymec

See Feature List, Planning above.

Any other business?

  • European Daylight Saving Time ends October 25th, thus the October 27 meeting will be held at 13:00 UTC.

SeaMonkey Meeting Details

29-September-2015

SeaMonkey: 2015-09-29

Filed under: Posts — Tags: — Jesper Kristensen @ 11:00 pm

Agenda

  • Who’s taking minutes? -> TBD
  • Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
    • TBD

Action Items

(who needs to do what that hasn’t been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

NEW

  • Need to port Sync 2.0 to SeaMonkey – IanN has spoken briefly to ewong about options, Ratty might be able to help too.

OPEN

  • bug 1198340 The carousel within Add-On Manager can be used for SeaMonkey specific content. TO DO: Find out what sort of format AMO needs for the carousel. Get our webdev person to create necessary content. Submit content for upload to AMO.
    • Unfortunately nobody knows exactly how addons.mozilla.works because there’s no full time developer working on AMO. Ratty was given bug 1009759 as an example. So now we need someone who knows python+django.
  • bug 1121281 tracks the RelEng automation migration off CVS. Everything is now in a single repo, patches for using that new repo are awaiting a review from Callek.

CLOSED

Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree

  • Notes:
    • Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as bug 1092468 and bug 1108970. Migrating our Windows builders to Win2008 and our compiler toolchain to VS2013 would likely solve this and other bustages.
    • There are also some upcoming changes to L10n build system in Q1 2015 (bug 1107635).
    • Buildmaster is up and running, and produces en-US builds, see 9/16 meeting’s Friends of the Fish Tank. Builds and langpacks in 18 languages including en-US are available unofficially thanks to A.Kalla.
    • bug 1083689 Langpacks aren’t updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren’t uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).
    • For various reasons we don’t have a working SeaMonkey Treeherder.
    • wrt bug 1155011, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on bug 1155013 require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.
  • [29th September 2015]
    • All trees:
      • Windows platform still busted due to needing Win2008R2 installed.
      • We have a loaner which ewong is working on (see blog for more information).
    • comm-central to comm-beta:
    • comm-aurora to comm-beta:
      • Linux32-debug : busted due to bug 1204162.
        • temporary patch was pushed to c-c so it’s green there; but, needs to either be pushed to c-a and c-b, or the bug fixed. (depends on bug 1203803).
    • comm-release:
      • OSX64: Orange due to bug 958812. (This has always been orange since a long time ago.)
  • Re: Tests.. This hasn’t been mentioned before, but that was only because we have been trying to get our normal builds to run.
    • That said, all the tests are busted in some way or another. (SERGE… WHERE ARE YOU?)
  • See RelEng page for the RelEng status history.

Release Train

  • SeaMonkey 2.38 release:
    • Released September 26th 2015.
    • Merge day was September 21 as scheduled
  • Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: Releases Scheduling
ewong
  • Started doing nightlies again on the Win32, but due to the fact that they need to be triggered manually, ‘nightlies’ would be considered a misnomer. “Regularlies” would probably be a better word. Maybe “somewhat regularly”.

Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking

  • See Basics page. Please only list current changes here.
  • Addon Compatibility Listings
  • We are looking for a new place to host the Addon Compatibility Listings for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in this post.
  • Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/
    This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf – it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there’s only so much an automated tool like that can do.
    • Lemon Juice continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [1].
    • looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [2], bug 1145026.
    • Rainer Bielefeld will no longer update the list of Firefox addons that have been successfully converted by the Addon Converter. — Rrbd (talk) 09:59, 16 August 2015 (PDT)
    • Ratty filed bug 1130390 to add a link on seamonkey-projects.org to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.
  • The Thunderbird team is now shipping Lightning with Thunderbird. IanN will work on shipping lightning too. Related bugs:
    • bug 516026 Integrate Lightning Into SeaMonkey by Default and Ship SeaMonkey with Lightning Enabled
    • bug 1130854 Package Lightning with Thunderbird for c-c and c-a builds.
    • bug 1113183 Integrate Lightning Into Thunderbird by Default.
    • bug 1130852 Add opt-in dialog to promote Calendar integration [Thunderbird].
  • Proposed replacement for Venkman for shipping with SeaMonkey: Tiny JavaScript Debugger. TinyJSD is a JavaScript debugger for privileged code running Mozilla products like Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey. It serves to debug the application as well as extensions written in JavaScript.
    • IanN filed bug 1133723 Investigate options for replacing Venkman with the TinyJSDebugger.

2.x (Last, Current, Next)

2.38

open tracking (0)
tracking requests (2)
targeted (1)
fixed (12)

2.Next

  • We have official permission to use the Firefox FxA 2.0 sync servers! We need someone to work on porting sync 2.0 over to replace legacy sync code. The finer details of how are so far unknown, but we should have a usable solution before legacy sync is turned off. See: New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly. Tracked in:
    • bug 998807 Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
    • bug 1003434 Add support for about:sync-progress.
  • Stalled. Needs a kick.
    • bug 815954 Click-to-Play: Port bug 812562 (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).
    • bug 476108 GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].
  • Current breakages:
  • Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:
    • Changes to Safe Browsing.
    • mozilla-central bug 1146454 changed the printing API. IanN has migrated comm-central to the new API [bug 1195863].
    • Firefox is currently changing styles of several Toolkit pages
      • already affected: config.xul for about:config, bug 1125636
      • Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: bug 1097111 – SeaMonkey tracking in bug 1133743
      • Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles
      • Fallout thus far: bug 1133582 about:config (Modern)
      • Ratty restored about:privatebrowsing UI to before it was messed up by Project Chameleon styles [bug 1192276]. Subsequent to Chameleon, Firefox developers have again redesigned the about:privatebrowsing UI to include UI for tracking protection. We should look into picking any changes we like.
    • A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.
    • bug 566746 (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:
      • bug 912031 Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite.
    • bug 769764 move proxy resolution to separate thread and remove sync api. Tracked in:
      • MailNews bug 791645 Rewrite calls to synchronous nsIProtocolProxyService::DeprecatedBlockingResolve with Async code before DeprecatedBlockingResolve disappears as well.
    • The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.
    • bug 825588 Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and bug 851471 Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:
      • bug 888915 Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. Neil has a WIP patch on hand.
    • We’ve picked up he default for security.tls.version.min from Mozilla Core, but security.tls.version.fallback-limit is new. So we need to consider adding the latter to our preferences UI (bug 1123673).
      • Currently unclear whether or not this should be done after bug 1084025 disable insecure TLS version fallback entirely by default [3]
      • alternative proposal is to make whitelist for acceptable fallback sites available in the UI, which seems to make more sense.

Feature List, Planning

Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: 19 new, 16 fixed, 19 triaged.

  • Medium triaging effort, medium-low number of new bugs filed.
  • IanN thinks it would be useful to remind people on the newsgroups / forums that they can contribute by triaging. Tonymec will post a reminder to newsgroups / forums. See bug 1092632 (Sm_tri_HowTo) Document how to triage SeaMonkey bugs.
    • The draft is currently at https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Tonymec/Triage_HowTo
    • I have a new computer (at last) and on the last Sunday of August I even found out how to connect it to the Internet. I think the page is essentially finished but I badly need your opinion about it. Anyone with a wikimoz account can edit the page and/or create its Talk page (and is welcome to). If you don’t have a wikimoz account you can still comment on the bug. — Tonymec (talk) 00:17, 27 September 2015 (PDT)

Open reviews/flags:
47 review
5 super-review
1 ui-review
10 feedback

  • See Feature List page for major wanted/needed features.
  • TODO:
    • bug 1127784 proposes to add a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions.
      • FIXED has landed, with UI seen in non-release builds only
      • but uncertain if it does anything useful to be tested

Roundtable – Personal Status Updates

Status Updates from developers – what are you working on, what’s the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).

ewong

  • Been working on the 2.38 release and working on bug 1187222 for most of my waking moments.
  • Did start on the Sync 1.5 bug, but that got backburnered again.

IanN

  • Usual testing, reviewing, commenting and approving.
  • Fixed:
  • Fixed for c-c:
  • Fixed for m-c:
  • Fixed for m-i/fx-i:
  • Pending tree opening:
  • Pending approval for check in:
  • Pending checkin for dependent bugs:
    • bug 653386 Consider overriding netErrorApp.dtd rather than netError.dtd
  • Checked in pending review:
  • Waiting for feedback/review/information:
    • bug 1061348 Port |bug 575283 – Cleanup mozconfig files on all platforms| to SeaMonkey
    • bug 1163441 Use FINAL_TARGET_FILES and DIST_FILES for Thunderbird themes
    • bug 1195129 Port |bug 1027890 – Remove all sorts of build system code dedicated to pymake| and |bug 1082323 – Reject pymake in client.mk| to comm-central
    • bug 1195246 Port client.mk changes from |bug 1188766 – sccache setup with UPLOAD_EXTRA_FILES makes some files uploaded multiple times| to comm-central
    • bug 1195258 Port |bug 710147 – Pass more targets from client.mk to the build system| and |bug 911936 – Kill make depend| to comm-central
    • bug 1195264 Port |bug 741839 – client.mk: consolidate $(wildcard calls) to reduce overhead| and client.mk parts of |bug 774106 – Change how virtualenv is populated| to comm-central
    • bug 1195331 Port |bug 762358 – .mozconfig changes don’t cause configure to run| to comm-central
  • Fixing review comments before checkin:
    • bug 757230 When using add button for permissions in Data Manager set a displayHost
    • bug 798147 Switch to correct pref pane if pref window already open
  • Working on:
    • bug 1200199 Update en-GB for Gecko 41
    • bug 1101381 Printing throws error: DEPRECATION WARNING: getWebBrowserPrint is now deprecated, and fully unsupported for multi-process browsers. Please use a frame script to get access to nsIWebBrowserPrint from content
    • bug 1190179 Port |bug 1067325 – Add an option to view html source in a tab| to SeaMonkey
    • bug 1051642 Allow for flat chrome format when packaging extensions
    • bug 943335 [TB] Update icons used in searchplugins (Yahoo, eBay, Wikipedia, Amazon, Bing, Twitter)
    • Various SM Council documents.
    • bug 606683 Allow customization of toolbar in Composer and MailNews Composition
    • bug 639690 [META] Re-arrange code between editor and editorOverlay
    • bug 773979 [META] Switch to new drag and drop api in SeaMonkey
    • bug 657234 Move pasteQuote and pasteNoFormatting into contentAreaContextOverlay
    • File/Folder selection in windows.
  • To Do:
    • bug 639395 Get cmd_fontSize to reflect current state of selected content / content at caret.
    • Prefs-in-a-tab.
    • Create FAQ for Friends of the Fish Tank.
    • Help get composer standalone builds working with –enable-tests.

Neil

Still need to look into that Livemarks bug…

Checked in to comm-central:

  • bug 1202216 Clicking on a desktop notification should switch to the notifying tab.
  • bug 1204513 DOM Full Screen should be really full screen.

Waiting for feedback:

  • bug 888915 Convert SeaMonkey Downloads Manager to Downloads.jsm

Still waiting for review:

Ratty

From the previous meeting. Reviewed and checked-in on a greenish tree:

  • bug 507676 Port bug 435804 Remaining rdf cleanup for FilterListDialog| to SeaMonkey.
  • bug 640420 Add draggable splitter between urlbar and searchbar.
  • bug 1176602 Make sure that the dictionary stored in spellchecker.dictionary is valid (Adapt Thunderbird bug 1175908).
  • bug 1192276 Restore about:privatebrowsing UI to before it was messed up by Project Chameleon styles.

Fixed:

  • bug 1125689 Lightning isn’t working in SeaMonkey due to __LOCATION__ missing (Error: ReferenceError: __LOCATION__ is not defined). Do not pack Lightning into a XPI. Also leaves the default theme unpacked (needed for bug 1189918)

In Progress:

  • bug 1011857 Implement CustomizableUI shim for SeaMonkey.
  • bug 1022354 SeaMonkey forces 3rd-party themes to not use defaultFavicon.png but hardcode a bookmarks-item.png.
    • bug 1189918 Theme overrides should work in safe mode for comm-central applications too. [Mozilla Core]
    • bug 1190465 Move default theme overrides into separate chrome.manifest for other non-firefox toolkit consumers too. [Toolkit].
    • Thunderbird defaut theme overrides.
  • bug 1174466 Popup blocker: Need to allow popups opened by loaded javascript: URIs from the location bar. Regression from bug 896947.
  • bug 1204338 More Refactoring: Followup to bug 403800 Refactor netError.dtd/netErrorApp.dtd. [mozilla-central]
  • bug 1208112 Package DevTools client in SeaMonkey now that it’s been moved out of /browser/.

TODO

  • Front end changes needed for bug 1042699 Block cross-origin add-on install requests.
  • Port bug 1048048 add preload content policy types for images.
  • Implement tabbrowser methods getBrowserForOuterWindowID() and getTabForBrowser() used by about:performance

Other stuff:

  • Did some reviews and approvals.
  • Bug triage and Bug discussions.
  • Usual end user support and PR in newsgroups and Mozillazine.

rsx11m

Landed on comm-central:

  • bug 1149581 Remove SSLv3 strings from SSL panel in Privacy & Security preferences.

Waiting for re-review:

  • bug 1152644 Add UI in Notifications preference pane whether or not to use libnotify for new-mail alerts on Linux.

May need retargeting:

  • bug 1123673 Consider exposing security.tls.version.fallback-limit in SSL prefpane to accommodate SSL 3.0 legacy sites.

Other:

  • Updated Releases and main SeaMonkey wiki pages for 2.38 release.
  • Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.
  • End-user information and discussion on MozillaZine.

tonymec

I have a new computer and I think the QA HowTo is essentially done. I badly need your opinion about it, and I don’t know where its permanent home shall be. See Feature List, Planning above.

Data Manager is badly broken, see bug 1208700

Any other business?


SeaMonkey Meeting Details

15-September-2015

SeaMonkey: 2015-09-15

Filed under: Posts — Tags: — Jesper Kristensen @ 11:00 pm

Agenda

  • Who’s taking minutes? -> TBD
  • Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
    • ewong

Action Items

(who needs to do what that hasn’t been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

NEW

  • Need to port Sync 2.0 to SeaMonkey – IanN to talk to ewong about options.

OPEN

  • bug 1198340 The carousel within Add-On Manager can be used for SeaMonkey specific content. TO DO: Find out what sort of format AMO needs for the carousel. Get our webdev person to create necessary content. Submit content for upload to AMO.
  • bug 1121281 tracks the RelEng automation migration off CVS. Everything is now in a single repo, patches for using that new repo are awaiting a review from Callek.

CLOSED

Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree

  • Notes:
    • Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as bug 1092468 and bug 1108970. Migrating our Windows builders to Win2008 and our compiler toolchain to VS2013 would likely solve this and other bustages.
    • There are also some upcoming changes to L10n build system in Q1 2015 (bug 1107635).
    • Buildmaster is up and running, and produces en-US builds, see 9/16 meeting’s Friends of the Fish Tank. Builds and langpacks in 18 languages including en-US are available unofficially thanks to A.Kalla.
    • bug 1083689 Langpacks aren’t updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren’t uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).
    • For various reasons we don’t have a working SeaMonkey Treeherder.
    • wrt bug 1155011, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on bug 1155013 require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.
  • [15th September 2015]
    • All trees:
      • Windows platform still busted due to needing Win2008R2 installed.
      • We have a loaner which ewong is working on (see blog for more information).
    • comm-central & comm-aurora:
    • comm-release:
      • All platforms: Possibly bustage due to (early?) merge of m-b to m-r.
  • See RelEng page for the RelEng status history.

Release Train

  • SeaMonkey 2.33.1 was released on 23 March and is the most recent release.
  • Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: Releases Scheduling
    • merge day was 10 August as scheduled
  • SeaMonkey 2.35 release:
    • Released September 3rd 2015.
  • SeaMonkey 2.38b1 release:
    • Released September 7th 2015.
ewong
  • Started doing nightlies again on the Win32, but due to the fact that they need to be triggered manually, ‘nightlies’ would be considered a misnomer. “Regularlies” would probably be a better word. Maybe “somewhat regularly”.

Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking

  • See Basics page. Please only list current changes here.
  • Addon Compatibility Listings
  • We are looking for a new place to host the Addon Compatibility Listings for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in this post.
  • Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/
    This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf – it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there’s only so much an automated tool like that can do.
    • Lemon Juice continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [1].
    • looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [2], bug 1145026.
    • Rainer Bielefeld will no longer update the list of Firefox addons that have been successfully converted by the Addon Converter. — Rrbd (talk) 09:59, 16 August 2015 (PDT)
    • Ratty filed bug 1130390 to add a link on seamonkey-projects.org to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.
  • The Thunderbird team is now shipping Lightning with Thunderbird. IanN will work on shipping lightning too. Related bugs:
    • bug 516026 Integrate Lightning Into SeaMonkey by Default and Ship SeaMonkey with Lightning Enabled
    • bug 1130854 Package Lightning with Thunderbird for c-c and c-a builds.
    • bug 1113183 Integrate Lightning Into Thunderbird by Default.
    • bug 1130852 Add opt-in dialog to promote Calendar integration [Thunderbird].
  • Proposed replacement for Venkman for shipping with SeaMonkey: Tiny JavaScript Debugger. TinyJSD is a JavaScript debugger for privileged code running Mozilla products like Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey. It serves to debug the application as well as extensions written in JavaScript.
    • IanN filed bug 1133723 Investigate options for replacing Venkman with the TinyJSDebugger.

2.x (Last, Current, Next)

2.35

open tracking (1)
tracking requests (2)
targeted (0)
fixed (45)

2.38

open tracking (0)
tracking requests (0)
targeted (0)
fixed (7)

2.Next

  • Stalled. Needs a kick.
    • bug 815954 Click-to-Play: Port bug 812562 (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).
    • bug 476108 GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].
  • Current breakages:
  • Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:
    • Change to Safe Browsing
    • Change of printing API bug 1146454 needs to be ported, immediate bustage was fixed in bug 1190344.
      • IanN is working on migrating comm-central to the new API [bug 1195863].
    • Firefox is currently changing styles of several Toolkit pages
      • already affected: config.xul for about:config, bug 1125636
      • Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: bug 1097111 – SeaMonkey tracking in bug 1133743
      • Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles
      • Fallout thus far: bug 1133380 about:privatebrowsing (Default), bug 1133582 about:config (Modern)
      • further work to separate function from style in CSS for about:privatebrowsing in bug 1178008 (3rd-party themes)
      • Ratty restored about:privatebrowsing UI to before it was messed up by Project Chameleon styles [bug 1192276]
    • Our front end Sync UI needs to be updated as the old backend has gone away. See: New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly. Tracked in:
      • bug 998807 Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
      • bug 1003434 Add support for about:sync-progress.
    • A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.
    • bug 566746 (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:
      • bug 912031 Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite.
    • bug 769764 move proxy resolution to separate thread and remove sync api. Tracked in:
      • MailNews bug 791645 Rewrite calls to synchronous nsIProtocolProxyService::DeprecatedBlockingResolve with Async code before DeprecatedBlockingResolve disappears as well.
    • The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.
    • bug 825588 Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and bug 851471 Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:
      • bug 888915 Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. Neil has a WIP patch on hand.
    • We’ve picked up he default for security.tls.version.min from Mozilla Core, but security.tls.version.fallback-limit is new. So we need to consider adding the latter to our preferences UI (bug 1123673).
      • Currently unclear whether or not this should be done after bug 1084025 disable insecure TLS version fallback entirely by default [3]
      • alternative proposal is to make whitelist for acceptable fallback sites available in the UI, which seems to make more sense.

Feature List, Planning

Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: 17 new, 8 fixed, 18 triaged.

  • Medium-low triaging effort, low number of new bugs filed.
  • IanN thinks it would be useful to remind people on the newsgroups / forums that they can contribute by triaging. Tonymec will post a reminder to newsgroups / forums. See bug 1092632 (Sm_tri_HowTo) Document how to triage SeaMonkey bugs.
    • The draft is currently at https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Tonymec/Triage_HowTo
    • Progress is stalled due to hardware/firmware problems with Tonymec’s current computer. Current ETA for newer computer is after Easter but this is a rough estimate. Anyone with a wikimoz account can edit the page (and is welcome to). — Tonymec (talk) 17:35, 21 January 2015 (PST)

Open reviews/flags:
49 review
5 super-review
5 ui-review
13 feedback

  • See Feature List page for major wanted/needed features.
  • TODO:
    • bug 1127784 proposes to add a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions.
      • FIXED has landed, with UI seen in non-release builds only
      • but uncertain if it does anything useful to be tested

Roundtable – Personal Status Updates

Status Updates from developers – what are you working on, what’s the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).

ewong

  • ‘Fought’ to release SeaMonkey 2.35 and 2.38b1.
  • Trying to fix the plethora of bustages, namely:
    • bug 1187222 – Supporting building with GTK3 in suite/

IanN

  • Usual testing, reviewing, commenting and approving.
  • Fixed:
  • Fixed for c-c:
  • Fixed for m-c:
  • Fixed for m-i/fx-i:
  • Pending tree opening:
  • Pending approval for check in:
  • Checked in pending review:
  • Waiting for feedback/review/information:
    • bug 1061348 Port |bug 575283 – Cleanup mozconfig files on all platforms| to SeaMonkey
    • bug 1163441 Use FINAL_TARGET_FILES and DIST_FILES for Thunderbird themes
    • bug 1195129 Port |bug 1027890 – Remove all sorts of build system code dedicated to pymake| and |bug 1082323 – Reject pymake in client.mk| to comm-central
    • bug 1195246 Port client.mk changes from |bug 1188766 – sccache setup with UPLOAD_EXTRA_FILES makes some files uploaded multiple times| to comm-central
    • bug 1195258 Port |bug 710147 – Pass more targets from client.mk to the build system| and |bug 911936 – Kill make depend| to comm-central
    • bug 1195264 Port |bug 741839 – client.mk: consolidate $(wildcard calls) to reduce overhead| and client.mk parts of |bug 774106 – Change how virtualenv is populated| to comm-central
    • bug 1195331 Port |bug 762358 – .mozconfig changes don’t cause configure to run| to comm-central
  • Fixing review comments before checkin:
    • bug 757230 When using add button for permissions in Data Manager set a displayHost
    • bug 798147 Switch to correct pref pane if pref window already open
  • Working on:
    • bug 1200199 Update en-GB for Gecko 41
    • bug 1101381 Printing throws error: DEPRECATION WARNING: getWebBrowserPrint is now deprecated, and fully unsupported for multi-process browsers. Please use a frame script to get access to nsIWebBrowserPrint from content
    • bug 1190179 Port |bug 1067325 – Add an option to view html source in a tab| to SeaMonkey
    • bug 1051642 Allow for flat chrome format when packaging extensions
    • bug 943335 [TB] Update icons used in searchplugins (Yahoo, eBay, Wikipedia, Amazon, Bing, Twitter)
    • Various SM Council documents.
    • bug 606683 Allow customization of toolbar in Composer and MailNews Composition
    • bug 639690 [META] Re-arrange code between editor and editorOverlay
    • bug 773979 [META] Switch to new drag and drop api in SeaMonkey
    • bug 657234 Move pasteQuote and pasteNoFormatting into contentAreaContextOverlay
    • File/Folder selection in windows.
  • To Do:
    • bug 639395 Get cmd_fontSize to reflect current state of selected content / content at caret.
    • Prefs-in-a-tab.
    • Create FAQ for Friends of the Fish Tank.
    • Help get composer standalone builds working with –enable-tests.

Neil

Still need to look into that Livemarks bug…

Needs checkin:

  • bug 1202216 Clicking on a desktop notification should switch to the notifying tab.

Need to update patch:

  • bug 888915 Convert SeaMonkey Downloads Manager to Downloads.jsm

Waiting for review:

  • bug 1204513 DOM Full Screen should be really full screen.

Still waiting for review:

Rainer Bielefeld

I will not participate.

Ratty

Have Review. Waiting for a greener tree before checking in:

  • bug 507676 Port bug 435804 Remaining rdf cleanup for FilterListDialog| to SeaMonkey.
  • bug 640420 Add draggable splitter between urlbar and searchbar.
  • bug 1176602 Make sure that the dictionary stored in spellchecker.dictionary is valid (Adapt Thunderbird bug 1175908).
  • bug 1192276 Restore about:privatebrowsing UI to before it was messed up by Project Chameleon styles.

Fixed:

In Progress:

  • bug 1011857 Implement CustomizableUI shim for SeaMonkey.
  • bug 1022354 SeaMonkey forces 3rd-party themes to not use defaultFavicon.png but hardcode a bookmarks-item.png.
    • bug 1189918 Theme overrides should work in safe mode for comm-central applications too. [Toolkit]
    • bug 1190465 Move default theme overrides into separate chrome.manifest for other non-firefox toolkit consumers too. [Toolkit].
    • Thunderbird defaut theme overrides.
  • bug 1204338 More Refactoring: Followup to Bug 403800 Refactor netError.dtd/netErrorApp.dtd.

Investigate:

Other stuff:

  • Did some reviews and approvals.
  • Bug triage and Bug discussions.
  • Usual end user support and PR in newsgroups and Mozillazine.

Any other business?


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