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18-August-2015

SeaMonkey: 2015-08-18

Filed under: Posts — Tags: — Jesper Kristensen @ 11:00 pm

Agenda

  • Who’s taking minutes? -> TBD
  • Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
    • Adrian Kalla

Action Items

(who needs to do what that hasn’t been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

NEW

OPEN

  • The carousel within Add-On Manager can be used for SeaMonkey specific content. [Ratty] needs to file a bug. Find out what sort of format AMO needs for the carousel. Get our webdev person to create necessary content.
  • bug 1121281 tracks the RelEng automation migration off CVS. Everything is now in a single repo, patches for using that new repo are awaiting a review from Callek.

CLOSED

Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree

  • Notes:
    • Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as bug 1092468 and bug 1108970. Migrating our Windows builders to Win2008 and our compiler toolchain to VS2013 would likely solve this and other bustages.
    • Ratty has put up some win32 contributed builds on http://seamonkey.callek.net/contrib/.
    • There are also some upcoming changes to L10n build system in Q1 2015 (bug 1107635).
    • Buildmaster is up and running, and produces en-US builds, see 9/16 meeting’s Friends of the Fish Tank. Builds and langpacks in 18 languages including en-US are available unofficially thanks to A.Kalla.
    • bug 1083689 Langpacks aren’t updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren’t uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).
    • For various reasons we don’t have a working SeaMonkey Treeherder.
    • wrt bug 1155011, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on bug 1155013 require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.
  • [18th August 2015]
    • All trees:
      • Windows platform still busted due to needing Win2008R2 installed.
      • We have a loaner which ewong is working on (see blog for more information).
    • comm-central & comm-aurora:
  • See RelEng page for the RelEng status history.

Release Train

  • SeaMonkey 2.33.1 was released on 23 March and is the most recent release.
  • Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: Releases Scheduling
    • merge day was 10 August as scheduled
  • SeaMonkey 2.35 release is expected this week, along with, hopefully, 2.37 beta.

SeaMonkey 2.35 Release

  • We plan to release SeaMonkey 2.35 asap in August.
    • For windows builds, we have a loaner win machine from Mozilla for us (i.e. ewong) to do manual window builds.
ewong
  • I have (albeit inconsistently) generated Nightly Win32 trunk builds (2.39a1) and have uploaded them to http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/latest-comm-central-trunk.
  • bug 1177634 prevented me from building on the loaner. The patch attached to that bug is hot-patched to the source prior to the build. (Since this is a ‘building’ issue and not an application code issue, it shouldn’t affect running SeaMonkey.)
  • Complete/partial snippets are not available as I’m trying to figure ’em out.
  • After having done it for a day, the windows builds were broken by bug 1180065 and bug 1180356.
    • The patch attached to bug 1180065 is now pushed to buildbotcustom code repo for a post-land-review, so it’s working now,
    • bug 1180356 is fixed.
  • Trying to refactor the process to also include the l10n repack steps (which I’m still trying to figure out as I go along).
Ratty
  • IN PROGRESS: —
    • mozilla-esr38: Regularly merge default branch to SEAMONKEY_2_35_RELEASE_BRANCH to pick up the latest stability and security fixes. We now have all the security and stability fixes that are now in Gecko 38.2+.
  • TO DO: —

Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking

  • See Basics page. Please only list current changes here.
  • Addon Compatibility Listings
  • We are looking for a new place to host the Addon Compatibility Listings for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in this post.
  • Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/
    This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf – it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there’s only so much an automated tool like that can do.
    • Lemon Juice continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [1].
    • looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [2], bug 1145026.
    • Rainer Bielefeld will no longer update the list of Firefox addons that have been successfully converted by the Addon Converter. — Rrbd (talk) 09:59, 16 August 2015 (PDT)
    • Ratty filed bug 1130390 to add a link on seamonkey-projects.org to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.
  • The Thunderbird team is now shipping Lightning with Thunderbird. IanN will work on shipping lightning too. Related bugs:
    • bug 516026 Integrate Lightning Into SeaMonkey by Default and Ship SeaMonkey with Lightning Enabled
    • bug 1130854 Package Lightning with Thunderbird for c-c and c-a builds.
    • bug 1113183 Integrate Lightning Into Thunderbird by Default.
    • bug 1130852 Add opt-in dialog to promote Calendar integration [Thunderbird].
  • Proposed replacement for Venkman for shipping with SeaMonkey: Tiny JavaScript Debugger. TinyJSD is a JavaScript debugger for privileged code running Mozilla products like Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey. It serves to debug the application as well as extensions written in JavaScript.
    • IanN filed bug 1133723 Investigate options for replacing Venkman with the TinyJSDebugger.

2.x (Last, Current, Next)

2.33

open tracking (0)
tracking requests (1)
targeted (0)
fixed (21)

2.35

open tracking (1)
tracking requests (2)
targeted (0)
fixed (45)

2.36

open tracking (0)
tracking requests (0)
targeted (0)
fixed (7)

  • SeaMonkey 2.36 Release Notes (yet to come)
  • SEAMONKEY_2_36_RELEASE_BRANCH has been established in comm-release.
  • [Ratty] We will probably skip to SeaMonkey 2.37 after releasing SeaMonkey 2.35.

2.Next

  • Stalled. Needs a kick.
    • bug 815954 Click-to-Play: Port bug 812562 (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).
    • bug 476108 GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].
  • Current breakages:
  • Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:
    • Change to Safe Browsing
    • Change of printing API bug 1146454 needs to be ported, immediate bustage was fixed in bug 1190344.
      • IanN is looking to migrate comm-central to the new API.
    • Change of add-on installation whitelist from a pref to permissions manager, bug 1072751:
      • bug 1190233 “Default” permissions being added to an existing profile without user’s consent or awareness.
      • some confusion whether or not they should be picked up by existing profiles or just by new ones.
      • patch ready for checkin and received branch approval to remove FF-specific sites from the current whitelist.
      • FIXED (thanks to Ratty for checking the patch in on all branches!)
    • Firefox is currently changing styles of several Toolkit pages
      • already affected: config.xul for about:config, bug 1125636
      • Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: bug 1097111 – SeaMonkey tracking in bug 1133743
      • Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles
      • Fallout thus far: bug 1133380 about:privatebrowsing (Default), bug 1133582 about:config (Modern)
      • further work to separate function from style in CSS for about:privatebrowsing in bug 1178008 (3rd-party themes)
      • Ratty is currently working on restoring about:privatebrowsing UI to before it was messed up by Project Chameleon styles [No bug number yet]
    • Our front end Sync UI needs to be updated as the old backend is going away in Gecko/Firefox 31. See: New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly. Tracked in:
      • bug 998807 Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
      • bug 1003434 Add support for about:sync-progress.
      • Ewong has set up a PoC FxA 1.5 server but need to complete the porting of the UI from Firefox.
    • A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.
    • bug 566746 (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:
      • bug 912031 Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite.
    • bug 769764 move proxy resolution to separate thread and remove sync api. Tracked in:
      • MailNews bug 791645 Rewrite calls to synchronous nsIProtocolProxyService::DeprecatedBlockingResolve with Async code before DeprecatedBlockingResolve disappears as well.
    • The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.
    • bug 825588 Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and bug 851471 Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:
      • bug 888915 Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. Neil has a WIP patch on hand.
    • Removal of SSL 3.0 support after POODLE Attack with 2.36, see bug 1106470.
      • bug 1137991 has removed SSL 3.0 checkbox from SSL preferences
      • bug 1149581 covers removal of the related strings
      • Firefox has proceeded with the removal in 39.0 given that Chrome goes the same way [3]
    • We’ve picked up he default for security.tls.version.min from Mozilla Core, but security.tls.version.fallback-limit is new. So we need to consider adding the latter to our preferences UI (bug 1123673).
      • Currently unclear whether or not this should be done after bug 1084025 disable insecure TLS version fallback entirely by default [4]
      • alternative proposal is to make whitelist for acceptable fallback sites available in the UI, which seems to make more sense.

Feature List, Planning

Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: 17 new, 8 fixed, 18 triaged.

  • Medium-low triaging effort, low number of new bugs filed.
  • IanN thinks it would be useful to remind people on the newsgroups / forums that they can contribute by triaging. Tonymec will post a reminder to newsgroups / forums. See bug 1092632 (Sm_tri_HowTo) Document how to triage SeaMonkey bugs.
    • The draft is currently at https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Tonymec/Triage_HowTo
    • Progress is stalled due to hardware/firmware problems with Tonymec’s current computer. Current ETA for newer computer is after Easter but this is a rough estimate. Anyone with a wikimoz account can edit the page (and is welcome to). — Tonymec (talk) 17:35, 21 January 2015 (PST)

Open reviews/flags:
49 review
5 super-review
5 ui-review
13 feedback

  • See Feature List page for major wanted/needed features.
  • TODO:
    • bug 1127784 proposes to add a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions.
      • FIXED has landed, with UI seen in non-release builds only
      • but uncertain if it does anything useful to be tested

Roundtable – Personal Status Updates

Status Updates from developers – what are you working on, what’s the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).

IanN

  • Usual testing, reviewing, commenting and approving.
  • Fixed:
  • Fixed for c-c:
  • Fixed for m-c:
  • Fixed for m-i/fx-i:
  • Pending tree opening:
  • Pending approval for check in:
    • bug 1187964 View source from Thunderbird uses deprecated API
  • Checked in pending review:
  • Waiting for feedback/review/information:
  • Fixing review comments before checkin:
    • bug 757230 When using add button for permissions in Data Manager set a displayHost
    • bug 798147 Switch to correct pref pane if pref window already open
  • Working on:
    • bug 1190179 Port |bug 1067325 – Add an option to view html source in a tab| to SeaMonkey
    • bug 1051642 Allow for flat chrome format when packaging extensions
    • bug 943335 [TB] Update icons used in searchplugins (Yahoo, eBay, Wikipedia, Amazon, Bing, Twitter)
    • Various SM Council documents.
    • bug 606683 Allow customization of toolbar in Composer and MailNews Composition
    • bug 639690 [META] Re-arrange code between editor and editorOverlay
    • bug 773979 [META] Switch to new drag and drop api in SeaMonkey
    • bug 657234 Move pasteQuote and pasteNoFormatting into contentAreaContextOverlay
    • File/Folder selection in windows.
  • To Do:
    • bug 639395 Get cmd_fontSize to reflect current state of selected content / content at caret.
    • Prefs-in-a-tab.
    • Create FAQ for Friends of the Fish Tank.
    • Help get composer standalone builds working with –enable-tests.

Neil

Still need to look into that Livemarks bug…

Landed on comm-central before uplift:

  • bug 1131122 “Recheck Page” doesn’t recheck “Ignore All” words the first time.

Landed on comm-central before uplift and comm-beta after uplift:

Landed on comm-central before uplift and comm-beta and comm-release after uplift:

Waiting for more feedback:

  • bug 888915 Convert SeaMonkey Downloads Manager to Downloads.jsm

Still waiting for review:

Rainer Bielefeld

German Blog statistics

To Dos

  • I am planning to add a category “SeaMonkey in business environment” (or so) for the German blog, because for those users the lacking of reliable information of next releases, security issues and similar is even more unbearable than for normal users. We should have something similar in the official blog, but currently nearby all requirements for a useful and attractive design are missing, see my posting Improvements for the BlogRrbd (talk)
    • Ideas?
  • What is so difficult with fixing “bug 1176562 – Please add SeaMonkey Blog to planet.mozilla.org“? — Rrbd (talk)
  • Strategic concept for SeaMonkey Help:
Help is outdated, buggy, a horror. KaiRo already suggested to change to a web based solution, but currently that will not help. It does not matter whether we have nobody to do maintenance for build-in help or nobody to do maintenance (and new creation) for a web based solution. We need a rough concept before we start to try to find volunteers
  • youth development: I know, that’s nearby more difficult than to find a spouse, but we can’t ignore that completely. I already tried to mentor these 2 possible volunteers from OpenHatch, but that did not work, I made several suggestions how they could become familiar with SeaMoneka project and find a working area, but they simply followed none of my suggestions.
    • Ideas?
  • SeaMonkey Add-On Compatibility database: currently we do not have a promising approach to enthuse SeaMonkey-Users to contribute their compatibility experience. Neither SeaMonkey/AddonCompat nor this will work. — Rrbd (talk)
    • Ideas?
  • bug 1165707 – Publish information concerning SeaMonkey e.V.: Is it really sure that that club does exist? I doubt that anybody will donate for such an organization what is completely unknown and where nobody knows for what donated money will be used.

Questions

  • Should we publish statistics of SeaMonkey downloads in the Blogs?

Info – no discussion required

  • Interest in 2.35 Language Packs was not big, 106 downloads, and I doubt that all those Linux downloads — what a coincidence, nearby all same number 4 downloads :-/ — were really user downloads.
  • Statistics unofficial German Blog: See at the right above! — Rrbd (talk)

Ratty

Has Review. Waiting for a greener tree before checking in:

  • bug 507676 Port bug 435804 Remaining rdf cleanup for FilterListDialog| to SeaMonkey.
  • bug 1192276 Restore about:privatebrowsing UI to before it was messed up by Project Chameleon styles (Needs one more review).

In Progress:

  • bug 640420 Add draggable splitter between urlbar and searchbar.
  • bug 1011857 Implement CustomizableUI for SeaMonkey.
  • bug 1022354 SeaMonkey forces 3rd-party themes to not use defaultFavicon.png but hardcode a bookmarks-item.png.
    • bug 1189918 Theme overrides should work in safe mode for comm-central applications too. [Toolkit]
    • bug 1190465 Move default theme overrides into separate chrome.manifest for other non-firefox toolkit consumers too. [Toolkit].
  • bug 1176602 Make sure that the dictionary stored in spellchecker.dictionary is valid (Adapt Thunderbird bug 1175908).
  • Working on SeaMonkey 2.35 Release. Bug triage and necessary preparations.

Investigate:
TODO:

  • Safe Browsing updates.

Other stuff:

  • Did some reviews and approvals.
  • Bug triage and Bug discussions.
  • Usual end user support and PR in newsgroups and Mozillazine.

rsx11m

Landed:

  • bug 1141324 Upgrade the SSL panel in Privacy & Security preferences to refer to TLS {instead,too}.
  • bug 1139004 Rename all “Character Encoding” to “Text Encoding” in Help content (Toolkit bug 951695).
  • bug 1032302 8BITMIME keyword ignored in EHLO greeting, BODY=8BITMIME absent in MAIL request for 8-bit transfers. (MailNews)
  • bug 1190233 “Default” permissions being added to an existing profile without user’s consent or awareness. (all branches)
  • bug 1127784 [EME] Add a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions. (prefpane part)

Waiting for ui-review:

  • bug 1152644 Add UI in Notifications preference pane whether or not to use libnotify for new-mail alerts on Linux.

May need retargeting:

  • bug 1123673 Consider exposing security.tls.version.fallback-limit in SSL prefpane to accommodate SSL 3.0 legacy sites.

Waiting for dependencies:

  • bug 1149581 Remove SSLv3 strings from SSL panel in Privacy & Security preferences.
    • to be reviewed once bug 1137991 has hit the releases (Firefox 39.0 was shipped with the SSLv3 removal code).
    • per bug 1141394, emk wants to wait until Chrome 44 is released before removing Firefox strings and interfaces.

Other:

  • Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.
  • End-user information and discussion on MozillaZine.

Any other business?


SeaMonkey Meeting Details

4-August-2015

SeaMonkey: 2015-08-04

Filed under: Posts — Tags: — Jesper Kristensen @ 11:00 pm

Agenda

  • Who’s taking minutes? -> TBD
  • Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
    • None

Action Items

(who needs to do what that hasn’t been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

NEW

OPEN

  • Need to check if the carousel within Add-On Manager can be used for SeaMonkey specific content.
    • [Ratty] Discussed this with #amo developers over IRC. Confirmed that the Carousel can be populated but needs admin access. I noticed that one of the slides in the Firefox carousel was still showing St. Patrick’s Day theme. amyt tried to delete that slide but ended up deleting the whole carousel, so now the Firefox discovery pane has a large blank space too. So now we are at parity with Firefox, just not the way I expected.
  • bug 1121281 tracks the RelEng automation migration off CVS. Will be migrating to a single repo for all the RelEng tools. Ewong has created a patch and is awaiting a review from Callek.

CLOSED

Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree

  • Notes:
    • Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as bug 1092468 and bug 1108970. Migrating our Windows builders to Win2008 and our compiler toolchain to VS2013 would likely solve this and other bustages.
    • Ratty has put up some win32 contributed builds on http://seamonkey.callek.net/contrib/.
    • There are also some upcoming changes to L10n build system in Q1 2015 (bug 1107635).
    • Buildmaster is up and running, and produces en-US builds, see 9/16 meeting’s Friends of the Fish Tank. Builds and langpacks in 18 languages including en-US are available unofficially thanks to A.Kalla.
    • bug 1083689 Langpacks aren’t updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren’t uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).
    • For various reasons we don’t have a working SeaMonkey Treeherder.
    • wrt bug 1155011, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on bug 1155013 require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.
  • [4th August 2015]
    • All trees:
      • Windows platform still busted due to needing Win2008R2 installed.
      • We have a loaner which ewong is working on (see blog for more information).
    • comm-central:
  • See RelEng page for the RelEng status history.

Release Train

SeaMonkey 2.35 Release

  • We plan to release SeaMonkey 2.35 asap in August.
    • For windows builds, we have a loaner win machine from Mozilla for us (i.e. ewong) to do manual window builds.
ewong
  • I have (albeit inconsistently) generated Nightly Win32 trunk builds (2.39a1) and have uploaded them to http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/latest-comm-central-trunk.
  • bug 1177634 prevented me from building on the loaner. The patch attached to that bug is hot-patched to the source prior to the build. (Since this is a ‘building’ issue and not an application code issue, it shouldn’t affect running SeaMonkey.)
  • Complete/partial snippets are not available as I’m trying to figure ’em out.
  • After having done it for a day, the windows builds were broken by bug 1180065 and bug 1180356.
    • The patch attached to bug 1180065 was manually applied to the buildbotmaster, so it’s working now (but needs to be reviewed and pushed to the buildbotcustom repo),
    • bug 1180356 is fixed.
  • Trying to refactor the process to also include the l10n repack steps (which I’m still trying to figure out as I go along).
Ratty
  • DONE: Again Merge mozilla-esr38 default branch to mozilla-esr38 SEAMONKEY_2_35_RELEASE_BRANCH. We now have all the security and stability fixes that are now in Gecko 38.1.
  • IN PROGRESS: bug 1187952 Update comm-release client.py to pull from mozilla-esr38 SEAMONKEY_2_35_RELEASE_BRANCH only.
  • TO DO: —

Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking

  • See Basics page. Please only list current changes here.
  • Addon Compatibility Listings
  • We are looking for a new place to host the Addon Compatibility Listings for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in this post.
  • Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/
    This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf – it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there’s only so much an automated tool like that can do.
    • Lemon Juice continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [1].
    • looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [2], bug 1145026.
    • Rainer Bielefeld together with other community members have been updating the list of Firefox addons that have been successfully converted by the Addon Converter.
    • Ratty filed bug 1130390 to add a link on seamonkey-projects.org to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.
  • The Thunderbird team is now shipping Lightning with Thunderbird. IanN will work on shipping lightning too. Related bugs:
    • bug 516026 Integrate Lightning Into SeaMonkey by Default and Ship SeaMonkey with Lightning Enabled
    • bug 1130854 Package Lightning with Thunderbird for c-c and c-a builds.
    • bug 1113183 Integrate Lightning Into Thunderbird by Default.
    • bug 1130852 Add opt-in dialog to promote Calendar integration [Thunderbird].
  • Proposed replacement for Venkman for shipping with SeaMonkey: Tiny JavaScript Debugger. TinyJSD is a JavaScript debugger for privileged code running Mozilla products like Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey. It serves to debug the application as well as extensions written in JavaScript.
    • IanN filed bug 1133723 Investigate options for replacing Venkman with the TinyJSDebugger.

2.x (Last, Current, Next)

2.33

open tracking (0)
tracking requests (1)
targeted (0)
fixed (21)

2.35

open tracking (0)
tracking requests (2)
targeted (0)
fixed (44)

2.Next

  • Stalled. Needs a kick.
    • bug 815954 Click-to-Play: Port bug 812562 (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).
    • bug 476108 GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].
  • Current breakages:
  • Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:
    • Change of printing API bug 1146454 has broken printing from non-browser windows.
    • Change of add-on installation whitelist from a pref to permissions manager, bug 1072751:
      • bug 1190233 “Default” permissions being added to an existing profile without user’s consent or awareness.
      • some confusion whether or not they should be picked up by existing profiles or just by new ones.
      • patch ready for checkin and branch approval to remove FF-specific sites from the current whitelist.
    • Firefox is currently changing styles of several Toolkit pages
      • already affected: config.xul for about:config, bug 1125636
      • Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: bug 1097111 – SeaMonkey tracking in bug 1133743
      • Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles
      • Fallout thus far: bug 1133380 about:privatebrowsing (Default), bug 1133582 about:config (Modern)
      • further work to separate function from style in CSS for about:privatebrowsing in bug 1178008 (3rd-party themes)
      • Ratty is currently working on restoring about:privatebrowsing UI to before it was messed up by Project Chameleon styles [No bug number yet]
    • Our front end Sync UI needs to be updated as the old backend is going away in Gecko/Firefox 31. See: New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly. Tracked in:
      • bug 998807 Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
      • bug 1003434 Add support for about:sync-progress.
      • SeaMonkey won’t be allowed to use the Firefox Sync 1.5 servers. Ewong has set up a FxA 1.5 server and is looking into hosting our own FxAccounts server on a community machine or VPS.
    • A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.
    • bug 566746 (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:
      • bug 912031 Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite.
    • bug 769764 move proxy resolution to separate thread and remove sync api. Tracked in:
      • MailNews bug 791645 Rewrite calls to synchronous nsIProtocolProxyService::DeprecatedBlockingResolve with Async code before DeprecatedBlockingResolve disappears as well.
    • The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.
    • bug 825588 Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and bug 851471 Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:
      • bug 888915 Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. Neil has a WIP patch on hand.
    • Removal of SSL 3.0 support after POODLE Attack with 2.36, see bug 1106470.
      • bug 1137991 has removed SSL 3.0 checkbox from SSL preferences
      • bug 1149581 covers removal of the related strings
      • Firefox has proceeded with the removal in 39.0 given that Chrome goes the same way [3]
    • We’ve picked up he default for security.tls.version.min from Mozilla Core, but security.tls.version.fallback-limit is new. So we need to consider adding the latter to our preferences UI (bug 1123673).
      • Currently unclear whether or not this should be done after bug 1084025 disable insecure TLS version fallback entirely by default [4]
      • alternative proposal is to make whitelist for acceptable fallback sites available in the UI, which seems to make more sense.

Feature List, Planning

Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: 32 new, 15 fixed, 23 triaged.

  • Medium-high triaging effort, average number of new bugs filed.
  • IanN thinks it would be useful to remind people on the newsgroups / forums that they can contribute by triaging. Tonymec will post a reminder to newsgroups / forums. See bug 1092632 (Sm_tri_HowTo) Document how to triage SeaMonkey bugs.
    • The draft is currently at https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Tonymec/Triage_HowTo
    • Progress is stalled due to hardware/firmware problems with Tonymec’s current computer. Current ETA for newer computer is after Easter but this is a rough estimate. Anyone with a wikimoz account can edit the page (and is welcome to). — Tonymec (talk) 17:35, 21 January 2015 (PST)

Open reviews/flags:
45 review
5 super-review
4 ui-review
13 feedback

  • See Feature List page for major wanted/needed features.
  • TODO:
    • bug 1127784 proposes to add a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions.
      • ready to land, with UI seen in non-release builds only
      • but uncertain if it does anything useful to be tested

Roundtable – Personal Status Updates

Status Updates from developers – what are you working on, what’s the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).

IanN

  • Usual testing, reviewing and commenting.
  • Fixed:
  • Fixed for c-c:
  • Fixed for m-c:
  • Fixed for m-i:
  • Pending tree opening:
  • Pending approval for check in:
    • bug 1187964 View source from Thunderbird uses deprecated API
  • Checked in pending review:
  • Waiting for feedback/review/information:
    • bug 1061348 Port |bug 575283 – Cleanup mozconfig files on all platforms| to SeaMonkey
    • bug 1163441 Use FINAL_TARGET_FILES and DIST_FILES for Thunderbird themes
  • Fixing review comments before checkin:
    • bug 757230 When using add button for permissions in Data Manager set a displayHost
    • bug 798147 Switch to correct pref pane if pref window already open
  • Working on:
    • bug 1190185 Switch default search engine to DuckDuckGo
    • bug 1190179 Port |bug 1067325 – Add an option to view html source in a tab| to SeaMonkey
    • bug 1051642 Allow for flat chrome format when packaging extensions
    • bug 943335 [TB] Update icons used in searchplugins (Yahoo, eBay, Wikipedia, Amazon, Bing, Twitter)
    • Various SM Council documents.
    • bug 606683 Allow customization of toolbar in Composer and MailNews Composition
    • bug 639690 [META] Re-arrange code between editor and editorOverlay
    • bug 773979 [META] Switch to new drag and drop api in SeaMonkey
    • bug 657234 Move pasteQuote and pasteNoFormatting into contentAreaContextOverlay
    • File/Folder selection in windows.
  • To Do:
    • bug 639395 Get cmd_fontSize to reflect current state of selected content / content at caret.
    • Prefs-in-a-tab.
    • Create FAQ for Friends of the Fish Tank.
    • Help get composer standalone builds working with –enable-tests.

Misak

  • bug 1189619 Port bug 1188745 [Rename nsTArray::SizeOfExcludingThis() as ShallowSizeOfExcludingThis() ] to comm-central
  • bug 1189736 Port bug 1189156 [Don’t use enumeration style in hash table SizeOf*() functions ] to comm-central

Neil

Whoops, forgot to look into that Livemarks bug…

Landed on comm-central, comm-aurora, comm-beta and comm-release:

  • bug 1115566 Certificate exception dialog not working for Mail & Newsgroups.

Waiting for greener trees:

Waiting for feedback:

  • bug 888915 Convert SeaMonkey Downloads Manager to Downloads.jsm

Still waiting for review:

Rainer Bielefeld

PENDING:

  • * Nothing new about bug 1145026 – AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input paneRrbd (talk) 04:36, 4 August 2015 (PDT)

IN PROGRESS:

TO DO:

Ratty

Fixed:

  • bug 1153577 Users should be able to hide the menubar and show it with the ALT key.
  • bug 1164817 .eml files should be opened in a mail message window and not in a browser window
  • bug 1174601 Copy nsDragAndDrop.js from toolkit to SeaMonkey because it will be removed in bug 1162050.
  • bug 1177979 Gtk3 build fail with /usr/bin/ld: libxul.so: hidden symbol `_ZN26nsMessengerUnixIntegrationC1Ev’ isn’t defined.
  • bug 1178459 Run password autofill code when a password field is added to a document outside of a <form> (Port relevant parts of bug 1168707).
  • bug 1183351 Update suite moz.build files for GTK3.
  • bug 1186579 TypeError: aEvent.target is undefined when calling openUILink(kSupportUri, {}); [Lightning]
  • bug 1188393 (package-manifest.in) Packaging update for SeaMonkey; Sync with Firefox; 2013 Part 1.
  • bug 1189528 mailnews/local/src/nsMailboxService.cpp:29:22: fatal error: nsRefPtr.h: No such file or directory.

Has Review:

In Progress:

  • bug 1011857 Implement CustomizableUI for SeaMonkey.
  • bug 1022354 SeaMonkey forces 3rd-party themes to not use defaultFavicon.png but hardcode a bookmarks-item.png.
    • bug 1190465 Move default theme overrides into separate chrome.manifest for other non-firefox toolkit consumers too. [Toolkit].
  • bug 1176602 In message compose make sure that the dictionary stored in spellchecker.dictionary is valid (Adapt Thunderbird bug 1175908).
  • Working on SeaMonkey 2.35 Release. Bug triage and necessary preparations.
    • bug 1187952 Update comm-release client.py to pull from mozilla-esr38 SEAMONKEY_2_35_RELEASE_BRANCH only.
    • Merge mozilla-esr38 default branch to mozilla-esr38 SEAMONKEY_2_35_RELEASE_BRANCH. We now have all the security and stability fixes that are now in Gecko 38.1
    • See Also: bug 1177041 (SM2.35-Uplift) Bugs / Patches to be uplifted to comm-release for SeaMonkey 2.35 (and dependencies).

Investigate:

  • According to John-Galt the reason we have a blank space in the discovery pane of the addons manager is that our carousel is empty. So we can fill it with links to the addon converter etc (we may need admin access). Need to ask Mossop who in Firefox land is responsible for updating their Carousel and what the procedure is.
    • Some progress. We know it can be done, but requires admin access. Over at #AMO amyt tried a few things and now Firefox doesn’t show the carousel at all. [well that’s one way of achieving parity-firefox but not quite what I expected].

TODO:

  • Safe Browsing updates.

Other stuff:

  • Did some reviews and approvals.
  • Bug triage and Bug discussions.
  • Usual end user support and PR in newsgroups and Mozillazine.

rsx11m

Waiting for checkin:

  • bug 1141324 Upgrade the SSL panel in Privacy & Security preferences to refer to TLS {instead,too}.
  • bug 1139004 Rename all “Character Encoding” to “Text Encoding” in Help content (Toolkit bug 951695).
  • bug 1032302 8BITMIME keyword ignored in EHLO greeting, BODY=8BITMIME absent in MAIL request for 8-bit transfers. (MailNews)
  • bug 1190233 “Default” permissions being added to an existing profile without user’s consent or awareness. (mitigating patch)

Waiting for branch approval:

  • bug 1190233 “Default” permissions being added to an existing profile without user’s consent or awareness. (mitigating patch)

Waiting for ui-review:

  • bug 1152644 Add UI in Notifications preference pane whether or not to use libnotify for new-mail alerts on Linux.

Ready to land:

  • bug 1127784 [EME] Add a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions. (prefpane part)
    • would be visible in non-release versions only for testing, but
    • uncertain if it does anything useful in SM right now

Filed:

May need retargeting:

  • bug 1123673 Consider exposing security.tls.version.fallback-limit in SSL prefpane to accommodate SSL 3.0 legacy sites.

Waiting for dependencies:

  • bug 1149581 Remove SSLv3 strings from SSL panel in Privacy & Security preferences.
    • to be reviewed once bug 1137991 has hit the releases (Firefox 39.0 was shipped with the SSLv3 removal code).
    • per bug 1141394, emk wants to wait until Chrome 44 is released before removing Firefox strings and interfaces.

Other:

  • Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.
  • End-user information and discussion on MozillaZine.

Any other business?


SeaMonkey Meeting Details

21-July-2015

SeaMonkey: 2015-07-21

Filed under: Posts — Tags: — Jesper Kristensen @ 11:00 pm

Agenda

  • Who’s taking minutes? -> TBD
  • Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
    • TBD

Action Items

(who needs to do what that hasn’t been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

NEW

  • Need to check if the carousel within Add-On Manager can be used for SeaMonkey specific content. Ted might know.

OPEN

  • bug 1121281 tracks the RelEng automation migration off CVS. Currently two option patches awaiting for Callek’s decision. Once settled, ewong will follow up with RelEng patches based on that decision.

CLOSED

Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree

  • Notes:
    • Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as bug 1092468 and bug 1108970. Migrating our Windows builders to Win2008 and our compiler toolchain to VS2013 would likely solve this and other bustages.
    • Ratty has put up some win32 contributed builds on http://seamonkey.callek.net/contrib/.
    • There are also some upcoming changes to L10n build system in Q1 2015 (bug 1107635).
    • Buildmaster is up and running, and produces en-US builds, see 9/16 meeting’s Friends of the Fish Tank. Builds and langpacks in 18 languages including en-US are available unofficially thanks to A.Kalla.
    • bug 1083689 Langpacks aren’t updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren’t uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).
    • For various reasons we don’t have a working SeaMonkey Treeherder.
    • wrt bug 1155011, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on bug 1155013 require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.
  • [21th July 2015]
    • All trees:
      • Windows platform still busted due to needing Win2008R2 installed.
      • We have a loaner which ewong is working on (see blog for more information).
    • comm-central:
      • All platforms: Busted due to bug 1185583. Patch is awaiting review.
  • See RelEng page for the RelEng status history.

Release Train

SeaMonkey 2.35 Release

  • We plan to release SeaMonkey 2.35 asap in July.
    • For windows builds, we have a loaner win machine from Mozilla for us (i.e. ewong) to do manual window builds.
    • Ratty has landed various patches on the comm-release’s SEAMONKEY_2_35_RELEASE_BRANCH (bug 1177041) and merged recent post-38.1.0 checkins into it on mozilla-esr38.
ewong
  • I have (albeit inconsistently) generated Nightly Win32 trunk builds (2.39a1) and have uploaded them to http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/latest-comm-central-trunk.
  • bug 1177634 prevented me from building on the loaner. The patch attached to that bug is hot-patched to the source prior to the build. (Since this is a ‘building’ issue and not an application code issue, it shouldn’t affect running SeaMonkey.)
  • Complete/partial snippets are not available as I’m trying to figure ’em out.
  • After having done it for a day, the windows builds were broken by bug 1180065 and bug 1180356.
    • The patch attached to bug 1180065 was manually applied to the buildbotmaster, so it’s working now (but needs to be reviewed and pushed to the buildbotcustom repo),
    • bug 1180356 is fixed.
  • Trying to refactor the process to also include the l10n repack steps (which I’m still trying to figure out as I go along).
Ratty

DONE:

  • bug 1177041 (SM2.35-Uplift) Bugs / Patches to be uplifted to comm-release for SeaMonkey 2.35 (and dependencies).
  • bug 1185824 (SM2.35-mozilla-esr38-Uplift) Bugs / Patches to be uplifted to mozilla-esr38 relbranch for SeaMonkey 2.35.
  • Created SEAMONKEY_2_35_RELEASE_BRANCH on mozilla-esr38 (bug 1179808) and comm-release (bug 1180911.
    • SEAMONKEY_2_35_RELEASE_BRANCH on mozilla-esr38 is branched off THUNDERBIRD_38_VERBRANCH. This should contain all the stability and security fixes for mozilla-esr38 which saves us a lot of work. (seems to be the way to go)
    • Also I’ve been doing regular merges from default to SEAMONKEY_2_35_RELEASE_BRANCH which means we are at par with Gecko 38.1.0.

IN PROGRESS:
TO DO:

Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking

  • See Basics page. Please only list current changes here.
  • Addon Compatibility Listings
  • We are looking for a new place to host the Addon Compatibility Listings for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in this post.
  • Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/
    This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf – it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there’s only so much an automated tool like that can do.
    • Lemon Juice continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [1].
    • looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [2], bug 1145026.
    • Rainer Bielefeld together with other community members have been updating the list of Firefox addons that have been successfully converted by the Addon Converter.
    • Ratty filed bug 1130390 to add a link on seamonkey-projects.org to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.
  • The Thunderbird team is now shipping Lightning with Thunderbird. IanN will work on shipping lightning too. Related bugs:
    • bug 516026 Integrate Lightning Into SeaMonkey by Default and Ship SeaMonkey with Lightning Enabled
    • bug 1130854 Package Lightning with Thunderbird for c-c and c-a builds.
    • bug 1113183 Integrate Lightning Into Thunderbird by Default.
    • bug 1130852 Add opt-in dialog to promote Calendar integration [Thunderbird].
  • Proposed replacement for Venkman for shipping with SeaMonkey: Tiny JavaScript Debugger. TinyJSD is a JavaScript debugger for privileged code running Mozilla products like Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey. It serves to debug the application as well as extensions written in JavaScript.
    • IanN filed bug 1133723 Investigate options for replacing Venkman with the TinyJSDebugger.

2.x (Last, Current, Next)

2.33

open tracking (0)
tracking requests (1)
targeted (0)
fixed (21)

2.35

open tracking (1)
tracking requests (3)
targeted (0)
fixed (40)

  • SeaMonkey 2.35 Release Notes (yet to come)
  • Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:
    • Current 38.0-branch releases are subject to Logjam weak-encryption downgrade attack [3] due to security.ssl3.dhe_rsa_aes_128_sha and security.ssl3.dhe_rsa_aes_256_sha being enabled by default
      • bug 1138554 fixed in NSS 3.19.1, uplifted to branches for 39.0+ with bug 1166031, and verified fixed for SM 2.36
      • 2.35 release branch has been established per bug 1179808 to proceed with mozilla-esr38 (THUNDERBIRD_38_VERBRANCH) so it will ship with NSS 3.19.2

2.Next

  • Stalled. Needs a kick.
    • bug 815954 Click-to-Play: Port bug 812562 (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).
    • bug 476108 GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].
  • Current breakages:
  • Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:
    • Firefox is currently changing styles of several Toolkit pages
      • already affected: config.xul for about:config, bug 1125636
      • Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: bug 1097111 – SeaMonkey tracking in bug 1133743
      • Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles
      • Fallout thus far: bug 1133380 about:privatebrowsing (Default), bug 1133582 about:config (Modern)
      • further work to separate function from style in CSS for about:privatebrowsing in bug 1178008 (3rd-party themes)
    • Our front end Sync UI needs to be updated as the old backend is going away in Gecko/Firefox 31. See: New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly. Tracked in:
      • bug 998807 Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
      • bug 1003434 Add support for about:sync-progress.
      • SeaMonkey won’t be allowed to use the Firefox Sync 1.5 servers. Ewong has set up a FxA 1.5 server and is looking into hosting our own FxAccounts server on a community machine or VPS.
    • A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.
    • bug 566746 (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:
      • bug 912031 Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite.
    • bug 769764 move proxy resolution to separate thread and remove sync api. Tracked in:
      • MailNews bug 791645 Rewrite calls to synchronous nsIProtocolProxyService::DeprecatedBlockingResolve with Async code before DeprecatedBlockingResolve disappears as well.
    • The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.
    • bug 825588 Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and bug 851471 Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:
      • bug 888915 Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. Neil has a WIP patch on hand.
    • Removal of SSL 3.0 support after POODLE Attack with 2.36, see bug 1106470.
      • bug 1137991 has removed SSL 3.0 checkbox from SSL preferences
      • bug 1149581 covers removal of the related strings
      • Firefox has proceeded with the removal in 39.0 given that Chrome goes the same way [4]
    • We’ve picked up he default for security.tls.version.min from Mozilla Core, but security.tls.version.fallback-limit is new. So we need to consider adding the latter to our preferences UI (bug 1123673).
      • Currently unclear whether or not this should be done after bug 1084025 disable insecure TLS version fallback entirely by default [5]
      • alternative proposal is to make whitelist for acceptable fallback sites available in the UI, which seems to make more sense.

Feature List, Planning

With Firefox announcing that XUL/XBL will be removed in the next couple of years probably, what is SM’s long-term plan to be able to maintain its UI? Discuss.

  • was discussed last time and deferred due to the lack of any specific roadmap and insufficient information what exactly is planned.

Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: 30 new, 13 fixed, 19 triaged.

  • Medium triaging effort, average number of new bugs filed.
  • IanN thinks it would be useful to remind people on the newsgroups / forums that they can contribute by triaging. Tonymec will post a reminder to newsgroups / forums. See bug 1092632 (Sm_tri_HowTo) Document how to triage SeaMonkey bugs.
    • The draft is currently at https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Tonymec/Triage_HowTo
    • Progress is stalled due to hardware/firmware problems with Tonymec’s current computer. Current ETA for newer computer is after Easter but this is a rough estimate. Anyone with a wikimoz account can edit the page (and is welcome to). — Tonymec (talk) 17:35, 21 January 2015 (PST)

Open reviews/flags:
46 review
5 super-review
5 ui-review
11 feedback

  • See Feature List page for major wanted/needed features.
  • TODO:
    • bug 1127784 proposes to add a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions.

Roundtable – Personal Status Updates

Status Updates from developers – what are you working on, what’s the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).

ewong

  • ‘Fixed':
    • Non-SM bugs that fixes some bustages that affect SM.
      • bug 1177634 – error occurred while processing the following file: access denied to suite/app.mozbuild
      • bug 1181434 – Fix fallout from bug 905127 due to missing headers for mail/ and mailnews/
  • Still working on the loaner: repacks and builds.

IanN

  • Usual testing, reviewing and commenting.
  • Fixed:
  • Fixed for c-c:
  • Fixed for m-c:
  • Fixed for m-i:
  • Pending tree opening:
  • Pending approval for check in:
  • Checked in pending review:
  • Waiting for feedback/review/information:
    • bug 1061348 Port |bug 575283 – Cleanup mozconfig files on all platforms| to SeaMonkey
    • bug 1163441 Use FINAL_TARGET_FILES and DIST_FILES for Thunderbird themes
  • Fixing review comments before checkin:
    • bug 757230 When using add button for permissions in Data Manager set a displayHost
    • bug 798147 Switch to correct pref pane if pref window already open
  • Working on:
    • bug 1051642 Allow for flat chrome format when packaging extensions
    • bug 943335 [TB] Update icons used in searchplugins (Yahoo, eBay, Wikipedia, Amazon, Bing, Twitter)
    • Various SM Council documents.
    • bug 606683 Allow customization of toolbar in Composer and MailNews Composition
    • bug 639690 [META] Re-arrange code between editor and editorOverlay
    • bug 773979 [META] Switch to new drag and drop api in SeaMonkey
    • bug 657234 Move pasteQuote and pasteNoFormatting into contentAreaContextOverlay
    • File/Folder selection in windows.
  • To Do:
    • bug 639395 Get cmd_fontSize to reflect current state of selected content / content at caret.
    • Prefs-in-a-tab.
    • Create FAQ for Friends of the Fish Tank.
    • Help get composer standalone builds working with –enable-tests.

Rainer Bielefeld

Blog statistics

Pending from Meeting 2015-07-07

I am going to contact lemon_juice and to discuss with him how to get some progress for folowing bug reports Rrbd (talk) 09:13, 21 July 2015 (PDT)

    • Anything new about bug 1151227 – Add-on Manager discovery pane: add Banner with link to Add-on-converter? Rrbd (talk) 04:09, 7 July 2015 (PDT)
    • Anything new about bug 1145026 – AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane? Rrbd (talk) 04:11, 7 July 2015 (PDT)
New
  • This Page is more or less the only existing source with information concerning currently discussed issues, project progress and so on. But for people only reading from time to time it is difficult to see what are pending items and what are latest news. We should try to add such info without causing too much more work. Rrbd (talk)
  • The picture at the right shows weekly statistics for German Language SeaMonkey Blog Rrbd (talk)

Ratty

Worked on SeaMonkey 2.35 Release. Bug triage and necessary preparations.

  • bug 1177041 (SM2.35-Uplift) Bugs / Patches to be uplifted to comm-release for SeaMonkey 2.35 (and dependencies).
  • bug 1185824 (SM2.35-mozilla-esr38-Uplift) Bugs / Patches to be uplifted to mozilla-esr38 relbranch for SeaMonkey 2.35 (and dependencies).
  • Created release branches on comm-release, and mozilla-esr38.

In Progress:

  • bug 507676 Port bug 435804 Remaining rdf cleanup for FilterListDialog| to SeaMonkey.
  • bug 1011857 Implement CustomizableUI for SeaMonkey.
  • bug 1164817 .eml files should be opened in a mail message window and not in a browser window
  • bug 1176602 In message compose make sure that the dictionary stored in spellchecker.dictionary is valid (Adapt Thunderbird bug 1175908).

Has Review:

  • bug 1153577 Users should be able to hide the menubar and show it with the ALT key.
  • bug 1174601 Copy nsDragAndDrop.js from toolkit to SeaMonkey because it will be removed in bug 1162050.
  • bug 1177979 Gtk3 build fail with /usr/bin/ld: libxul.so: hidden symbol `_ZN26nsMessengerUnixIntegrationC1Ev’ isn’t defined.
  • bug 1178459 Run password autofill code when a password field is added to a document outside of a <form> (Port relevant parts of bug 1168707).
  • bug 1183351 Update suite moz.build files for GTK3.

Fixed:

TODO:

  • Packaging updates.
  • Safe Browsing updates.
  • According to John-Galt the reason we have a blank space in the discovery pane of the addons manager is that our carousel is empty. So we can fill it with links to the addon converter etc (we may need admin access). Need to ask Mossop who in Firefox land is responsible for updating their Carousel and what the procedure is.

Other stuff:

  • Did some reviews and approvals.
  • Bug triage and Bug discussions.
  • Usual end user support and PR in newsgroups and Mozillazine.

rsx11m

Still waiting for checkin:

  • bug 1141324 Upgrade the SSL panel in Privacy & Security preferences to refer to TLS {instead,too}.

Still waiting for ui-review or review:

  • bug 1152644 Add UI in Notifications preference pane whether or not to use libnotify for new-mail alerts on Linux.
  • bug 1032302 8BITMIME keyword ignored in EHLO greeting, BODY=8BITMIME absent in MAIL request for 8-bit transfers. (MailNews)

Still waiting for feedback:

  • bug 1127784 [EME] Add a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions. (prefpane part)

Reopened for a minor follow-up fix, awaiting review:

  • bug 1139004 Rename all “Character Encoding” to “Text Encoding” in Help content (Toolkit bug 951695).

May need retargeting:

  • bug 1123673 Consider exposing security.tls.version.fallback-limit in SSL prefpane to accommodate SSL 3.0 legacy sites.

Waiting for dependencies:

  • bug 1149581 Remove SSLv3 strings from SSL panel in Privacy & Security preferences.
    • to be reviewed once bug 1137991 has hit the releases (Firefox 39.0 was shipped with the SSLv3 removal code).
    • per bug 1141394, emk wants to wait until Chrome 44 is released before removing Firefox strings and interfaces.

Other:

  • Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.
  • End-user information and discussion on MozillaZine.

Any other business?


SeaMonkey Meeting Details

7-July-2015

SeaMonkey: 2015-07-07

Filed under: Posts — Tags: — Jesper Kristensen @ 11:00 pm

Agenda

  • Who’s taking minutes? -> TBD
  • Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
    • TBD

Action Items

(who needs to do what that hasn’t been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

NEW

OPEN

  • bug 1121281 tracks the RelEng automation migration off CVS. Currently two option patches awaiting for Callek’s decision. Once settled, ewong will follow up with RelEng patches based on that decision.

CLOSED

  • bug 1150082 SeaMonkey Donation Page is using the PayPal all or nothing version, instead of the usual either/or one. Mcsmurf is investigating.

Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree

  • Notes:
    • Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as bug 1092468 and bug 1108970. Migrating our Windows builders to Win2008 and our compiler toolchain to VS2013 would likely solve this and other bustages.
    • Ratty has put up some win32 contributed builds on http://seamonkey.callek.net/contrib/.
    • There are also some upcoming changes to L10n build system in Q1 2015 (bug 1107635).
    • Buildmaster is up and running, and produces en-US builds, see 9/16 meeting’s Friends of the Fish Tank. Builds and langpacks in 18 languages including en-US are available unofficially thanks to A.Kalla.
    • bug 1083689 Langpacks aren’t updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren’t uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).
    • For various reasons we don’t have a working SeaMonkey Treeherder.
    • wrt bug 1155011, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on bug 1155013 require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.
  • [7th July 2015]
    • All trees:
      • Windows platform still busted due to needing Win2008R2 installed.
      • We have a loaner which ewong is working on (see blog for more information).
    • comm-aurora:
      • All platforms: Busted due to bug 1167346, but fix has been already pushed.
  • See RelEng page for the RelEng status history.

Release Train

SeaMonkey 2.35 Release

  • We plan to release SeaMonkey 2.35 asap in July.
    • For windows builds, we have a loaner win machine from Mozilla for us (i.e. ewong) to do manual window builds.

[ewong:]

  • I have (albeit inconsistently) generated Nightly Win32 trunk builds (2.39a1) and have uploaded them to http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/latest-comm-central-trunk.
  • bug 1177634 prevented me from building on the loaner. The patch attached to that bug is hot-patched to the source prior to the build. (Since this is a ‘building’ issue and not an application code issue, it shouldn’t affect running SeaMonkey.)
  • Complete/partial snippets are not available as I’m trying to figure ’em out.
  • After having done it for a day, the windows builds were broken by bug 1180065 and bug 1180356.
    • The patch attached to bug 1180065 was manually applied to the buildbotmaster, so it’s working now (but needs to be reviewed and pushed to the buildbotcustom repo),
    • bug 1180356 is fixed.
  • Trying to refactor the process to also include the l10n repack steps (which I’m still trying to figure out as I go along).

IN PROGRESS (Ratty):

  • bug 1177041 (SM2.35-Uplift) Bugs / Patches to be uplifted to comm-release for SeaMonkey 2.35 (and dependencies).
  • bug 1177785 (SM2.35-mozilla-release-Uplift) Bugs / Patches to be uplifted to mozilla-release relbranch for SeaMonkey 2.35 (and dependencies).
  • bug 1172917 Build SeaMonkey 2.35 with NSS 3.19.1+ to include fix for bug 1138554.
  • bug 1177769 Changes needed for Building SeaMonkey 2.35 with Chatzilla.
  • bug 1177773 Changes needed for Building SeaMonkey 2.35 with DOM Inspector.
  • Created release branches on mozilla-release/mozilla-esr38 (bug 1179808) and comm-release (bug 1180911.

TO DO:

  • Uplift the following patches, possibly more:
    • bug 1165732 Block WARP when using the built-in VGA driver (Firefox running very slow on Windows starting with version 38 due to hardware acceleration).
    • bug 1169996 Changing the spell check language in the message subject of a recycled message via right-click changes the composition language preference.
    • Need to check that the following bug 1166924 bug 1167356 bug 1171540 bug 1172397 bug 1172076 are fixed on what ever branch we use.
  • Alternatively use the existing THUNDERBIRD_38_VERBRANCH on mozilla-esr38, recently merged to match 31.1.0 ESR fixes. This should contain all the SM2.35-mozilla-release-Uplift Bugs / Patches which saves us some work.
  • Candidate for a corresponding comm-esr38 release branch is GECKO3810esr_2015070616_RELBRANCH
  • [Ratty] Are we basing our 2.35 release on mozilla-38.0.x or mozilla-38.1.x? Notes that mozilla-release is now at FIREFOX_39_0_BUILD3 (relbranch comes off FIREFOX_RELEASE_38_END).

Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking

  • See Basics page. Please only list current changes here.
  • Addon Compatibility Listings
  • We are looking for a new place to host the Addon Compatibility Listings for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in this post.
  • Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/
    This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf – it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there’s only so much an automated tool like that can do.
    • Lemon Juice continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [1].
    • looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [2], bug 1145026.
    • Rainer Bielefeld together with other community members have been updating the list of Firefox addons that have been successfully converted by the Addon Converter.
    • Ratty filed bug 1130390 to add a link on seamonkey-projects.org to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.
  • The Thunderbird team is now shipping Lightning with Thunderbird. IanN will work on shipping lightning too. Related bugs:
    • bug 516026 Integrate Lightning Into SeaMonkey by Default and Ship SeaMonkey with Lightning Enabled
    • bug 1130854 Package Lightning with Thunderbird for c-c and c-a builds.
    • bug 1113183 Integrate Lightning Into Thunderbird by Default.
    • bug 1130852 Add opt-in dialog to promote Calendar integration [Thunderbird].
  • Proposed replacement for Venkman for shipping with SeaMonkey: Tiny JavaScript Debugger. TinyJSD is a JavaScript debugger for privileged code running Mozilla products like Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey. It serves to debug the application as well as extensions written in JavaScript.
    • IanN filed bug 1133723 Investigate options for replacing Venkman with the TinyJSDebugger.

2.x (Last, Current, Next)

2.33

open tracking (0)
tracking requests (1)
targeted (0)
fixed (21)

2.35

open tracking (1)
tracking requests (4)
targeted (0)
fixed (18)

  • SeaMonkey 2.35 Release Notes (yet to come)
  • Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:
    • Current 38.0-branch releases are subject to Logjam weak-encryption downgrade attack [3] due to security.ssl3.dhe_rsa_aes_128_sha and security.ssl3.dhe_rsa_aes_256_sha being enabled by default
      • bug 1138554 fixed in NSS 3.19.1, uplifted to branches for 39.0+ with bug 1166031, and verified fixed for SM 2.36
      • Can 2.35 ship with NSS 3.19.1? [4]
        • bug 1172917 filed to explore the options, possibly building this version from mozilla-esr38 instead of mozilla-release.
  • release branches have been established per bug 1179808 to proceed from either mozilla-release (FIREFOX_RELEASE_38_END) or mozilla-esr38 (THUNDERBIRD_38_VERBRANCH).

2.Next

  • Stalled. Needs a kick.
    • bug 815954 Click-to-Play: Port bug 812562 (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).
    • bug 476108 GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].
  • Current breakages:
  • Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:
    • Firefox is currently changing styles of several Toolkit pages
      • already affected: config.xul for about:config, bug 1125636
      • Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: bug 1097111 – SeaMonkey tracking in bug 1133743
      • Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles
      • Fallout thus far: bug 1133380 about:privatebrowsing (Default), bug 1133582 about:config (Modern)
      • further work to separate function from style in CSS for about:privatebrowsing in bug 1178008 (3rd-party themes)
    • Our front end Sync UI needs to be updated as the old backend is going away in Gecko/Firefox 31. See: New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly. Tracked in:
      • bug 998807 Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
      • bug 1003434 Add support for about:sync-progress.
      • SeaMonkey won’t be allowed to use the Firefox Sync 1.5 servers. Ewong has set up a FxA 1.5 server and is looking into hosting our own FxAccounts server on a community machine or VPS.
    • A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.
    • bug 566746 (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:
      • bug 912031 Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite.
    • bug 769764 move proxy resolution to separate thread and remove sync api. Tracked in:
      • MailNews bug 791645 Rewrite calls to synchronous nsIProtocolProxyService::DeprecatedBlockingResolve with Async code before DeprecatedBlockingResolve disappears as well.
    • The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.
    • bug 825588 Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and bug 851471 Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:
      • bug 888915 Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. Neil has a WIP patch on hand.
    • Removal of SSL 3.0 support after POODLE Attack with 2.36, see bug 1106470.
      • bug 1137991 has removed SSL 3.0 checkbox from SSL preferences
      • bug 1149581 covers removal of the related strings
      • Firefox has proceeded with the removal in 39.0 given that Chrome goes the same way [5]
    • We’ve picked up he default for security.tls.version.min from Mozilla Core, but security.tls.version.fallback-limit is new. So we need to consider adding the latter to our preferences UI (bug 1123673).
      • Currently unclear whether or not this should be done after bug 1084025 disable insecure TLS version fallback entirely by default [6]
      • alternative proposal is to make whitelist for acceptable fallback sites available in the UI, which seems to make more sense.

Feature List, Planning

With Firefox announcing that XUL/XBL will be removed in the next couple of years probably, what is SM’s long-term plan to be able to maintain its UI? Discuss.

Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: 21 new, 9 fixed, 13 triaged.

  • Medium triaging effort, lower than average number of new bugs filed.
  • IanN thinks it would be useful to remind people on the newsgroups / forums that they can contribute by triaging. Tonymec will post a reminder to newsgroups / forums. See bug 1092632 (Sm_tri_HowTo) Document how to triage SeaMonkey bugs.
    • The draft is currently at https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Tonymec/Triage_HowTo
    • Progress is stalled due to hardware/firmware problems with Tonymec’s current computer. Current ETA for newer computer is after Easter but this is a rough estimate. Anyone with a wikimoz account can edit the page (and is welcome to). — Tonymec (talk) 17:35, 21 January 2015 (PST)

Open reviews/flags:
48 review
5 super-review
5 ui-review
11 feedback

  • See Feature List page for major wanted/needed features.
  • TODO:
    • bug 1127784 proposes to add a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions.

Roundtable – Personal Status Updates

Status Updates from developers – what are you working on, what’s the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).

ewong

  • Fixed
    • bug 1180356 – Cannot find wrl.h : No such file or directory when building WindowsUIUtils.obj
  • Waiting for Review:
    • bug 1177634 – error occurred while processing the following file: access denied to suite/app.mozbuild
    • bug 1180065 – db/sqlite3/src/libdb_sqlite3_src.a needed by libmozsqlite3.so

IanN

  • Usual testing, reviewing and commenting.
  • Fixed:
  • Fixed for c-c:
  • Fixed for m-c:
  • Fixed for m-i:
  • Pending tree opening:
  • Pending approval for check in:
  • Checked in pending review:
  • Waiting for feedback/review/information:
    • bug 1061348 Port |bug 575283 – Cleanup mozconfig files on all platforms| to SeaMonkey
    • bug 1163441 Use FINAL_TARGET_FILES and DIST_FILES for Thunderbird themes
  • Fixing review comments before checkin:
    • bug 757230 When using add button for permissions in Data Manager set a displayHost
    • bug 798147 Switch to correct pref pane if pref window already open
  • Working on:
    • bug 1180656 Update en-GB for Gecko 40
    • bug 1051642 Allow for flat chrome format when packaging extensions
    • bug 943335 [TB] Update icons used in searchplugins (Yahoo, eBay, Wikipedia, Amazon, Bing, Twitter)
    • Various SM Council documents.
    • bug 606683 Allow customization of toolbar in Composer and MailNews Composition
    • bug 639690 [META] Re-arrange code between editor and editorOverlay
    • bug 773979 [META] Switch to new drag and drop api in SeaMonkey
    • bug 657234 Move pasteQuote and pasteNoFormatting into contentAreaContextOverlay
    • File/Folder selection in windows.
  • To Do:
    • bug 639395 Get cmd_fontSize to reflect current state of selected content / content at caret.
    • Prefs-in-a-tab.
    • Create FAQ for Friends of the Fish Tank.
    • Help get composer standalone builds working with –enable-tests.

Neil

I still didn’t get much done over the last month because I was too busy. Hopefully I can catch up a bit over the next couple of months.

Uplifted by Ratty (thanks!):

  • bug 1170002 Display name with comma does not get properly quoted in From field.

Still needs uplift:

  • bug 1165316 Replace Livemark callback function usage.

Needs updating for bitrot:

  • bug 888915 Convert SeaMonkey Downloads Manager to Downloads.jsm

Still waiting for review:

Rainer Bielefeld

  • Anyghing new about bug 1151227 – Add-on Manager discovery pane: add Banner with link to Add-on-converter? Rrbd (talk) 04:09, 7 July 2015 (PDT)
  • Anything new about bug 1145026 – AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane? Rrbd (talk) 04:11, 7 July 2015 (PDT)

Ratty

Worked on SeaMonkey 2.35 Release. Bug triage and necessary preparations.

  • bug 1177041 (SM2.35-Uplift) Bugs / Patches to be uplifted to comm-release for SeaMonkey 2.35 (and dependencies).
  • bug 1177785 (SM2.35-mozilla-release-Uplift) Bugs / Patches to be uplifted to mozilla-release relbranch for SeaMonkey 2.35 (and dependencies).
  • bug 1172917 Build SeaMonkey 2.35 with NSS 3.19.1+ to include fix for bug 1138554.
  • bug 1177769 Changes needed for Building SeaMonkey 2.35 with Chatzilla.
  • bug 1177773 Changes needed for Building SeaMonkey 2.35 with DOM Inspector.
  • Created release branches on comm-release, mozilla-release, and mozilla-esr38.

Fixed:

Waiting for check-in on CLOSED TREE:

In Progress:

  • bug 507676 Port bug 435804 Remaining rdf cleanup for FilterListDialog| to SeaMonkey.
  • bug 1011857 Implement CustomizableUI for SeaMonkey.
  • bug 1153577 Users should be able to hide the menubar and show it with the ALT key.
  • bug 1174601 Copy nsDragAndDrop.js from toolkit to SeaMonkey because it will be removed in bug 1162050.
  • bug 1176602 In message compose make sure that the dictionary stored in spellchecker.dictionary is valid (Adapt Thunderbird bug 1175908).
  • bug 1178459 Run password autofill code when a password field is added to a document outside of a <form> (Port relevant parts of bug 1168707).

checked-in on CLOSED TREE:

  • bug 1040910 Support XHTML in feed titles.
  • bug 1158496 JavaScript error: …/nsSuiteGlue.js, line 291: NS_NOINTERFACE: Component returned failure code: 0x80004002 (NS_NOINTERFACE) [nsIWebProgress.DOMWindow].

TODO:

  • Packaging updates.
  • Safe Browsing updates.
  • According to John-Galt the reason we have a blank space in the discovery pane of the addons manager is that our carousel is empty. So we can fill it with links to the addon converter etc (we may need admin access). Need to ask Mossop who in Firefox land is responsible for updating their Carousel and what the procedure is.

Other stuff:

  • Did some reviews and approvals.
  • Bug triage and Bug discussions.
  • Usual end user support and PR in newsgroups and Mozillazine.

rsx11m

Still waiting for checkin:

  • bug 1141324 Upgrade the SSL panel in Privacy & Security preferences to refer to TLS {instead,too}.

Still waiting for ui-review or review:

  • bug 1152644 Add UI in Notifications preference pane whether or not to use libnotify for new-mail alerts on Linux.
  • bug 1032302 8BITMIME keyword ignored in EHLO greeting, BODY=8BITMIME absent in MAIL request for 8-bit transfers. (MailNews)

Still waiting for feedback:

  • bug 1127784 [EME] Add a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions. (prefpane part)

May need retargeting:

  • bug 1123673 Consider exposing security.tls.version.fallback-limit in SSL prefpane to accommodate SSL 3.0 legacy sites.

Waiting for dependencies:

  • bug 1149581 Remove SSLv3 strings from SSL panel in Privacy & Security preferences.
    • to be reviewed once bug 1137991 has hit the releases (Firefox 39.0 was shipped with the SSLv3 removal code).
    • per bug 1141394, emk wants to wait until Chrome 44 is released before removing Firefox strings and interfaces.

Other:

  • Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.
  • End-user information and discussion on MozillaZine.

Any other business?


SeaMonkey Meeting Details

23-June-2015

SeaMonkey: 2015-06-23

Filed under: Posts — Tags: — Jesper Kristensen @ 11:00 pm

Agenda

  • Who’s taking minutes? -> TBD
  • Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
    • TBD

Action Items

(who needs to do what that hasn’t been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

NEW

OPEN

  • bug 1150082 SeaMonkey Donation Page is using the PayPal all or nothing version, instead of the usual either/or one. Mcsmurf is investigating.
  • bug 1121281 tracks the RelEng automation migration off CVS. Currently two option patches awaiting for Callek’s decision. Once settled, ewong will follow up with RelEng patches based on that decision.

CLOSED

Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree

  • Notes:
    • Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as bug 1092468 and bug 1108970. Migrating our Windows builders to Win2008 and our compiler toolchain to VS2013 would likely solve this and other bustages.
    • Ratty has put up some win32 contributed builds on http://seamonkey.callek.net/contrib/.
    • There are also some upcoming changes to L10n build system in Q1 2015 (bug 1107635).
    • Buildmaster is up and running, and produces en-US builds, see 9/16 meeting’s Friends of the Fish Tank. Builds and langpacks in 18 languages including en-US are available unofficially thanks to A.Kalla.
    • bug 1083689 Langpacks aren’t updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren’t uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).
    • For various reasons we don’t have a working SeaMonkey Treeherder.
    • wrt bug 1155011, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.
  • [23th June 2015]
    • All trees:
      • Windows platform still busted due to needing Win2008R2 installed.
      • We have a loaner which ewong is working on (see Release Train section).
  • See RelEng page for the RelEng status history.

Release Train

SeaMonkey 2.35 Release

  • We plan to release SeaMonkey 2.35 by the end of June.
    • For windows builds, we have a loaner win machine from Mozilla for us (i.e. ewong) to do manual window builds.
      • [ewong:] doing the buildbot steps manually on a Windows machine is proving to be a bit more involved as there are bits missing(these bits are normally created within the buildmaster so manually creating these bits is slow going) and it doesn’t help that I’ve been swamped elsewhere.

TODO:

  • Patches to uplift to comm-release: status-seamonkey2.35: affected
  • Create a relbranch on mozilla-release. Uplift the following patches:
    • bug 1151345 [OSX Widget] Firefox app menu contains only “Quit” on Firefox 38 beta (“About Firefox” and all other items are missing)
    • bug 1165732 Firefox running very slow on Windows starting with version 38 due to hardware acceleration
    • bug 1169996 Changing the spell check language in the message subject of a recycled message via right-click changes the composition language preference.
    • Need to check that the following bug 1166924 bug 1167356 bug 1171540 bug 1172397 bug 1172076 are fixed on what ever branch we use.
  • Alternatively use the existing THUNDERBIRD_38_VERBRANCH on mozilla-esr38.
  • [Ratty] Are we basing our 2.35 release on mozilla-38.0.x or mozilla-38.1.x? Notes that mozilla-release is now at FIREFOX_39_0_BUILD3.

Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking

  • See Basics page. Please only list current changes here.
  • Addon Compatibility Listings
  • We are looking for a new place to host the Addon Compatibility Listings for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in this post.
  • Lightning (other extensions with binary XPCOM components) was broken on trunk due to bug 1159737, fixed (at least for now) in bug 1165428 introducing MOZ_BINARY_EXTENSIONS build-time switch, enabled in bug 1166842.
  • Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/
    This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf – it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there’s only so much an automated tool like that can do.
    • Lemon Juice continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [1].
    • looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [2], bug 1145026.
    • Rainer Bielefeld together with other community members have been updating the list of Firefox addons that have been successfully converted by the Addon Converter.
    • Ratty filed bug 1130390 to add a link on seamonkey-projects.org to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.
  • The Thunderbird team is now shipping Lightning with Thunderbird. IanN will work on shipping lightning too. Related bugs:
    • bug 516026 Integrate Lightning Into SeaMonkey by Default and Ship SeaMonkey with Lightning Enabled
    • bug 1130854 Package Lightning with Thunderbird for c-c and c-a builds.
    • bug 1113183 Integrate Lightning Into Thunderbird by Default.
    • bug 1130852 Add opt-in dialog to promote Calendar integration [Thunderbird].
  • Proposed replacement for Venkman for shipping with SeaMonkey: Tiny JavaScript Debugger. TinyJSD is a JavaScript debugger for privileged code running Mozilla products like Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey. It serves to debug the application as well as extensions written in JavaScript.
    • IanN filed bug 1133723 Investigate options for replacing Venkman with the TinyJSDebugger.
  • Our build team needs to automate DOMI branch selection rather than having to tweak the client.py every 6 weeks. bug 763506

2.x (Last, Current, Next)

  • SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at https://dataviz.mozilla.org Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.
    • Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on seamonkey-projects.org or https://dev.seamonkey.at
    • bug 1133728 Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.
    • Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption.
  • See Basics page for the usual reminders.

2.33

open tracking (0)
tracking requests (1)
targeted (0)
fixed (20)

2.35

  • Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:
    • Current 38.0-branch releases are subject to Logjam weak-encryption downgrade attack [3] due to security.ssl3.dhe_rsa_aes_128_sha and security.ssl3.dhe_rsa_aes_256_sha being enabled by default
      • bug 1138554 fixed in NSS 3.19.1, uplifted to branches for 39.0+ with bug 1166031, and verified fixed for SM 2.36
      • Can 2.35 ship with NSS 3.19.1? [4]
        • bug 1172917 filed to explore the options, possibly building this version from mozilla-esr38 instead of mozilla-release.
  • one week left to get a 2.35 release done, merge scheduled for next week

2.Next

  • Stalled. Needs a kick.
    • bug 815954 Click-to-Play: Port bug 812562 (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).
    • bug 476108 GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].
  • Current breakages:
  • Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:
    • Firefox is currently changing styles of several Toolkit pages
      • already affected: config.xul for about:config, bug 1125636
      • Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: bug 1097111 – SeaMonkey tracking in bug 1133743
      • Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles
      • Fallout thus far: bug 1133380 about:privatebrowsing (Default), bug 1133582 about:config (Modern)
    • Our front end Sync UI needs to be updated as the old backend is going away in Gecko/Firefox 31. See: New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly. Tracked in:
      • bug 998807 Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
      • bug 1003434 Add support for about:sync-progress.
      • SeaMonkey won’t be allowed to use the Firefox Sync 1.5 servers. Ewong has set up a FxA 1.5 server and is looking into hosting our own FxAccounts server on a community machine or VPS.
    • A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.
    • bug 566746 (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:
      • bug 912031 Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite.
    • bug 769764 move proxy resolution to separate thread and remove sync api. Tracked in:
      • MailNews bug 791645 Rewrite calls to synchronous nsIProtocolProxyService::DeprecatedBlockingResolve with Async code before DeprecatedBlockingResolve disappears as well.
    • The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.
    • bug 825588 Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and bug 851471 Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:
      • bug 888915 Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. Neil has a WIP patch on hand.
    • Removal of SSL 3.0 support after POODLE Attack with 2.36, see bug 1106470.
      • bug 1137991 has removed SSL 3.0 checkbox from SSL preferences
      • bug 1149581 covers removal of the related strings
      • Firefox will likely proceed with the removal in 39.0 given that Chrome goes the same way [5]
    • We’ve picked up he default for security.tls.version.min from Mozilla Core, but security.tls.version.fallback-limit is new. So we need to consider adding the latter to our preferences UI (bug 1123673).
      • Currently unclear whether or not this should be done after bug 1084025 disable insecure TLS version fallback entirely by default [6]
      • alternative proposal is to make whitelist for acceptable fallback sites available in the UI, which seems to make more sense.

Feature List, Planning

Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: 16 new, 3 fixed, 14 triaged.

  • Medium triaging effort, lower than average number of new bugs filed.
  • IanN thinks it would be useful to remind people on the newsgroups / forums that they can contribute by triaging. Tonymec will post a reminder to newsgroups / forums. See bug 1092632 (Sm_tri_HowTo) Document how to triage SeaMonkey bugs.
    • The draft is currently at https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Tonymec/Triage_HowTo
    • Progress is stalled due to hardware/firmware problems with Tonymec’s current computer. Current ETA for newer computer is after Easter but this is a rough estimate. Anyone with a wikimoz account can edit the page (and is welcome to). — Tonymec (talk) 17:35, 21 January 2015 (PST)

Open reviews/flags:
43 review
5 super-review
5 ui-review
10 feedback

  • See Feature List page for major wanted/needed features.
  • TODO:
    • bug 1127784 proposes to add a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions.

Roundtable – Personal Status Updates

Status Updates from developers – what are you working on, what’s the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).

ewong

  • Fixed:
    • bug 1099585 – Make JS callers of ios.newChannel call ios.newChannel2 in suite/
  • Working on:
    • manually creating builds on the loaner.

IanN

  • Usual testing, reviewing and commenting.
  • Fixed:
    • bug 1163442 Use FINAL_TARGET_FILES and PP_TARGETS for SeaMonkey themes
    • bug 1168525 Port |bug 1166538 – Use mozbuild.jar-based zip tool instead of $(ZIP) for simple cases| to Calendar
  • Fixed for c-c:
  • Fixed for m-c:
  • Fixed for m-i:
  • Pending tree opening:
  • Pending approval for check in:
  • Checked in pending review:
  • Waiting for feedback/review/information:
    • bug 1061348 Port |bug 575283 – Cleanup mozconfig files on all platforms| to SeaMonkey
    • bug 1163441 Use FINAL_TARGET_FILES and DIST_FILES for Thunderbird themes
  • Fixing review comments before checkin:
    • bug 757230 When using add button for permissions in Data Manager set a displayHost
    • bug 798147 Switch to correct pref pane if pref window already open
  • Working on:
    • bug 1051642 Allow for flat chrome format when packaging extensions
    • bug 943335 [TB] Update icons used in searchplugins (Yahoo, eBay, Wikipedia, Amazon, Bing, Twitter)
    • Various SM Council documents.
    • bug 606683 Allow customization of toolbar in Composer and MailNews Composition
    • bug 639690 [META] Re-arrange code between editor and editorOverlay
    • bug 773979 [META] Switch to new drag and drop api in SeaMonkey
    • bug 657234 Move pasteQuote and pasteNoFormatting into contentAreaContextOverlay
    • File/Folder selection in windows.
  • To Do:
    • bug 639395 Get cmd_fontSize to reflect current state of selected content / content at caret.
    • Prefs-in-a-tab.
    • Create FAQ for Friends of the Fish Tank.
    • Help get composer standalone builds working with –enable-tests.

Neil

I didn’t get much done over the last fortnight because I was too busy with work and other stuff. Hopefully I can catch up over the next couple of months.
Still needs uplift(s):

  • bug 1170002 Display name with comma does not get properly quoted in From field.
  • bug 1165316 Replace Livemark callback function usage.

Still hoping for feedback:

  • bug 888915 Convert SeaMonkey Downloads Manager to Downloads.jsm

Still waiting for review:

Ratty

WONTFIX:

  • bug 1176055 Re-implement keyword.URL (search from the locationbar) unsync it from the default search engine.

Waiting on check-in on CLOSED TREE:

  • bug 1040910 Support XHTML in feed titles.
  • bug 1158496 JavaScript error: …/nsSuiteGlue.js, line 291: NS_NOINTERFACE: Component returned failure code: 0x80004002 (NS_NOINTERFACE) [nsIWebProgress.DOMWindow].

Needs uplift to comm-aurora:

  • bug 1163395 Port bug 967494 to SeaMonkey (Preference Composition/Spelling/Language is ignored, and changing spellcheck language in one composition window affects all open and new compositions).

Working on:

  • bug 507676 Port bug 435804 Remaining rdf cleanup for FilterListDialog| to SeaMonkey.
  • bug 1011857 Implement CustomizableUI for SeaMonkey.
  • bug 1153577 Users should be able to hide the menubar and show it with the ALT key.
  • bug 1174601 Copy nsDragAndDrop.js from toolkit to SeaMonkey because it will be removed in bug 1162050.

TODO:

  • bug 1176602 In message compose make sure that the dictionary stored in spellchecker.dictionary is valid (Adapt Thunderbird Bug 1175908).
  • Packaging updates.
  • Safe Browsing updates.
  • According to John-Galt the reason we have a blank space in the discovery pane of the addons manager is that our carousel is empty. So we can fill it with links to the addon converter etc (we may need admin access). Need to ask Mossop who in Firefox land is responsible for updating their Carousel and what the procedure is.

Other stuff:

  • Did some reviews and approvals.
  • Bug triage and Bug discussions.
  • Usual end user support and PR in newsgroups and Mozillazine.

rsx11m

Still waiting for checkin:

  • bug 1141324 Upgrade the SSL panel in Privacy & Security preferences to refer to TLS {instead,too}.

Still waiting for ui-review or review:

  • bug 1152644 Add UI in Notifications preference pane whether or not to use libnotify for new-mail alerts on Linux.
  • bug 1032302 8BITMIME keyword ignored in EHLO greeting, BODY=8BITMIME absent in MAIL request for 8-bit transfers. (MailNews)

Still waiting for feedback:

  • bug 1127784 [EME] Add a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions. (prefpane part)

Filed:

May need retargeting:

  • bug 1123673 Consider exposing security.tls.version.fallback-limit in SSL prefpane to accommodate SSL 3.0 legacy sites.

Waiting for dependencies:

  • bug 1149581 Remove SSLv3 strings from SSL panel in Privacy & Security preferences.
    • to be reviewed once bug 1137991 has hit the releases (timing depends on the Firefox/Core side but seems to become effective as planned with 39.0).

Other:

  • Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.
  • End-user information and discussion on MozillaZine.

Any other business?


SeaMonkey Meeting Details

9-June-2015

SeaMonkey: 2015-06-09

Filed under: Posts — Tags: — Jesper Kristensen @ 11:00 pm

Agenda

  • Who’s taking minutes? -> TBD
  • Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
    • TBD

Action Items

(who needs to do what that hasn’t been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

NEW

OPEN

  • bug 1150082 SeaMonkey Donation Page is using the PayPal all or nothing version, instead of the usual either/or one. Mcsmurf is investigating.
  • bug 1121281 tracks the RelEng automation migration off CVS. Currently two option patches awaiting for Callek’s decision. Once settled, ewong will follow up with RelEng patches based on that decision.

CLOSED

Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree

  • Notes:
    • Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as bug 1092468 and bug 1108970. Migrating our Windows builders to Win2008 and our compiler toolchain to VS2013 would likely solve this and other bustages.
    • Ratty has put up some win32 contributed builds on http://seamonkey.callek.net/contrib/.
    • There are also some upcoming changes to L10n build system in Q1 2015 (bug 1107635).
    • Buildmaster is up and running, and produces en-US builds, see 9/16 meeting’s Friends of the Fish Tank. Builds and langpacks in 18 languages including en-US are available unofficially thanks to A.Kalla.
    • bug 1083689 Langpacks aren’t updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren’t uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).
    • For various reasons we don’t have a working SeaMonkey Treeherder.
    • wrt bug 1155011, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.
  • [9th June 2015]
    • All repos:
      • All repos closed due to Bug 1172750 – db corruption – Fix ETA sometime today.
    • All trees:
      • Windows platform still busted due to needing Win2008R2 installed.
      • We have a loaner which ewong is working on (see Release Train section).
  • See RelEng page for the RelEng status history.

Release Train

  • SeaMonkey 2.33.1 was released on 23 March and is the most recent release.
  • No scheduled ETA for 2.35 beta 1 yet.
    • there were 15 security fixes (5 of which critical) in the Gecko 37 cycle
    • there were 13 security fixes (5 of which critical) in the Gecko 38 cycle
  • We plan to release SeaMonkey 2.35. Initially at the end of May but put back to June.
    • For windows builds, we have a loaner win machine from Mozilla for us (i.e. ewong) to do manual window builds.
    • contributed trunk/aurora builds are available for testing, see bug 1169140 and Contributed SeaMonkey Win32 builds for testing
    • some builds up on Google Drive which Ratty will look at uploading to contrib directory too.
    • obviously, this can’t be an acceptable permanent solution…
  • Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: Releases Scheduling
    • next merge day is scheduled for 29 June

Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking

  • See Basics page. Please only list current changes here.
  • Addon Compatibility Listings
  • We are looking for a new place to host the Addon Compatibility Listings for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in this post.
  • Lightning (other extensions with binary XPCOM components) was broken on trunk due to bug 1159737, fixed (at least for now) in bug 1165428 introducing MOZ_BINARY_EXTENSIONS build-time switch, enabled in bug 1166842.
  • Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/
    This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf – it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there’s only so much an automated tool like that can do.
    • Lemon Juice continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [1].
    • Rainer Bielefeld together with other community members have been updating the list of Firefox addons that have been successfully converted by the Addon Converter.
    • Ratty filed bug 1130390 to add a link on seamonkey-projects.org to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.
  • The Thunderbird team is now shipping Lightning with Thunderbird. IanN will work on shipping lightning too. Related bugs:
    • bug 516026 Integrate Lightning Into SeaMonkey by Default and Ship SeaMonkey with Lightning Enabled
    • bug 1130854 Package Lightning with Thunderbird for c-c and c-a builds.
    • bug 1113183 Integrate Lightning Into Thunderbird by Default.
    • bug 1130852 Add opt-in dialog to promote Calendar integration [Thunderbird].
  • Proposed replacement for Venkman for shipping with SeaMonkey: Tiny JavaScript Debugger. TinyJSD is a JavaScript debugger for privileged code running Mozilla products like Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey. It serves to debug the application as well as extensions written in JavaScript.
    • IanN filed bug 1133723 Investigate options for replacing Venkman with the TinyJSDebugger.
  • Our build team needs to automate DOMI branch selection rather than having to tweak the client.py every 6 weeks. bug 763506

2.x (Last, Current, Next)

  • SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at https://dataviz.mozilla.org Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.
    • Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on seamonkey-projects.org or https://dev.seamonkey.at
    • bug 1133728 Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.
    • Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption.
  • See Basics page for the usual reminders.

2.33

open tracking (0)
tracking requests (1)
targeted (0)
fixed (20)

2.35

  • Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:
    • Current 38.0-branch releases are subject to Logjam weak-encryption downgrade attack [2] due to security.ssl3.dhe_rsa_aes_128_sha and security.ssl3.dhe_rsa_aes_256_sha being enabled by default
      • bug 1138554 fixed in NSS 3.19.1, uplifted to branches for 39.0+ with bug 1166031, thus should be fixed for SM 2.36
      • Firefox has an add-on disabling DHE cyphers for that [3], bug 1167373
      • should we just flip those prefs to “false” by default with 2.35? However, may affect adversely connections to servers relying on DHE, or may fall back to even less secure protocol. Can 2.35 ship with NSS 3.19.1? [4]
      • bug 1172917 filed to explore the options, possibly building this version from mozilla-esr38 instead of mozilla-release.

2.Next

  • Stalled. Needs a kick.
    • bug 815954 Click-to-Play: Port bug 812562 (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).
    • bug 476108 GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].
  • Current breakages:
    • bug 995737 Adapt seamonkey for the address book remote content policy change; use permission manager instead of address book property. Has a reviewed patch. Waiting for sr/moa from Mnyromyr.
  • Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:
    • Firefox is currently changing styles of several Toolkit pages
      • already affected: config.xul for about:config, bug 1125636
      • Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: bug 1097111 – SeaMonkey tracking in bug 1133743
      • Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles
      • Fallout thus far: bug 1133380 about:privatebrowsing (Default), bug 1133582 about:config (Modern)
    • Our front end Sync UI needs to be updated as the old backend is going away in Gecko/Firefox 31. See: New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly. Tracked in:
      • bug 998807 Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
      • bug 1003434 Add support for about:sync-progress.
      • SeaMonkey won’t be allowed to use the Firefox Sync 1.5 servers. Ewong has set up a FxA 1.5 server and is looking into hosting our own FxAccounts server on a community machine or VPS.
    • A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.
    • bug 566746 (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:
      • bug 912031 Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite.
    • bug 769764 move proxy resolution to separate thread and remove sync api. Tracked in:
      • MailNews bug 791645 Rewrite calls to synchronous nsIProtocolProxyService::DeprecatedBlockingResolve with Async code before DeprecatedBlockingResolve disappears as well.
    • The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.
    • bug 825588 Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and bug 851471 Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:
      • bug 888915 Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. Neil has a WIP patch on hand.
    • Removal of SSL 3.0 support after POODLE Attack with 2.36, see bug 1106470.
      • bug 1137991 has removed SSL 3.0 checkbox from SSL preferences
      • bug 1149581 covers removal of the related strings
      • Firefox will likely proceed with the removal in 39.0 given that Chrome goes the same way [5]
    • We’ve picked up he default for security.tls.version.min from Mozilla Core, but security.tls.version.fallback-limit is new. So we need to consider adding the latter to our preferences UI (bug 1123673).
      • Currently unclear whether or not this should be done after bug 1084025 disable insecure TLS version fallback entirely by default [6]
      • alternative proposal is to make whitelist for acceptable fallback sites available in the UI, which seems to make more sense.

Feature List, Planning

Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: 27 new, 9 fixed, 17 triaged.

  • Medium triaging effort, slightly lower than average number of new bugs filed.
  • IanN thinks it would be useful to remind people on the newsgroups / forums that they can contribute by triaging. Tonymec will post a reminder to newsgroups / forums. See bug 1092632 (Sm_tri_HowTo) Document how to triage SeaMonkey bugs.
    • The draft is currently at https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Tonymec/Triage_HowTo
    • Progress is stalled due to hardware/firmware problems with Tonymec’s current computer. Current ETA for newer computer is after Easter but this is a rough estimate. Anyone with a wikimoz account can edit the page (and is welcome to). — Tonymec (talk) 17:35, 21 January 2015 (PST)

Open reviews/flags:
43 review
5 super-review
5 ui-review
9 feedback

  • See Feature List page for major wanted/needed features.
  • TODO:
    • bug 1127784 proposes to add a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions.

Roundtable – Personal Status Updates

Status Updates from developers – what are you working on, what’s the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).

ewong

  • Working on:
    • bug 1099585 – Make JS callers of ios.newChannel call ios.newChannel2 in suite/

IanN

  • Usual testing, reviewing and commenting.
  • Fixed:
  • Fixed for c-c:
  • Fixed for m-c:
  • Fixed for m-i:
  • Pending tree opening:
    • bug 1168525 Port |bug 1166538 – Use mozbuild.jar-based zip tool instead of $(ZIP) for simple cases| to Calendar
  • Pending approval for check in:
    • bug 1163442 Use FINAL_TARGET_FILES and PP_TARGETS for SeaMonkey themes
  • Checked in pending review:
  • Waiting for feedback/review/information:
    • bug 1061348 Port |bug 575283 – Cleanup mozconfig files on all platforms| to SeaMonkey
    • bug 1163441 Use FINAL_TARGET_FILES and DIST_FILES for Thunderbird themes
  • Fixing review comments before checkin:
    • bug 757230 When using add button for permissions in Data Manager set a displayHost
    • bug 798147 Switch to correct pref pane if pref window already open
  • Working on:
    • bug 1051642 Allow for flat chrome format when packaging extensions
    • bug 943335 [TB] Update icons used in searchplugins (Yahoo, eBay, Wikipedia, Amazon, Bing, Twitter)
    • Various SM Council documents.
    • bug 606683 Allow customization of toolbar in Composer and MailNews Composition
    • bug 639690 [META] Re-arrange code between editor and editorOverlay
    • bug 773979 [META] Switch to new drag and drop api in SeaMonkey
    • bug 657234 Move pasteQuote and pasteNoFormatting into contentAreaContextOverlay
    • File/Folder selection in windows.
  • To Do:
    • bug 639395 Get cmd_fontSize to reflect current state of selected content / content at caret.
    • Prefs-in-a-tab.
    • Create FAQ for Friends of the Fish Tank.
    • Help get composer standalone builds working with –enable-tests.

Neil

Checked in to comm-central, needs uplift(s):

  • bug 1170002 Display name with comma does not get properly quoted in From field.
  • bug 1165316 Replace Livemark callback function usage.

Checked in to comm-beta:

  • bug 1156088 Doorhangers display useless “Learn more…” link when using the Modern theme.

Still waiting for review:

Ratty

Working on:

  • bug 507676 Port bug 435804 Remaining rdf cleanup for FilterListDialog| to SeaMonkey.
  • bug 1040910 Support XHTML in feed titles.
  • bug 1153577 Users should be able to hide the menubar and show it with the ALT key.
  • Re-implement keyword.URL (search from the locationbar) unsync it from the default search engine.

Waiting on check-in on CLOSED TREE:

  • bug 1158496 JavaScript error: …/nsSuiteGlue.js, line 291: NS_NOINTERFACE: Component returned failure code: 0x80004002 (NS_NOINTERFACE) [nsIWebProgress.DOMWindow].

Checked-in on CLOSED TREE:

  • bug 1167865 Error: formatURLPref: Couldn’t get pref: extensions.getAddons.link.url

Fixed. Needs approval for comm-aurora:

  • bug 1163395 Port bug 967494 to SeaMonkey (Preference Composition/Spelling/Language is ignored, and changing spellcheck language in one composition window affects all open and new compositions).

Fixed:

  • bug 995737 Adapt seamonkey for the addressbook remote content policy change; use the permission manager instead of address book property.
  • bug 1169399 Path specified in LOCAL_INCLUDES does not exist: /mozilla/security/manager/ssl/src .
  • bug 1172278 Error: NS_ERROR_XPC_CANT_GET_PARAM_IFACE_INFO: Cannot find interface information for parameter arg 0 [nsPIPlacesDatabase.shutdownClient].

TODO:

  • Packaging updates.
  • Safe Browsing updates.
  • Addon-SDK compatibility functions (CustomizableUI, etc).

Other stuff:

  • Did some reviews and approvals.
  • Bug triage and Bug discussions.
  • Usual end user support and PR in newsgroups and Mozillazine.

rsx11m

Waiting for checkin:

  • bug 1141324 Upgrade the SSL panel in Privacy & Security preferences to refer to TLS {instead,too}.

Waiting for comm-release approval: (MailNews Core, if any 2.33.2 is released)

  • bug 1144693 Disable libnotify usage on Linux by default for new-mail notifications.
  • bug 1144719 Allow the user to decide whether or not to use libnotify for new-mail alerts on Linux.

Waiting for ui-review or review:

  • bug 1152644 Add UI in Notifications preference pane whether or not to use libnotify for new-mail alerts on Linux.
  • bug 1032302 8BITMIME keyword ignored in EHLO greeting, BODY=8BITMIME absent in MAIL request for 8-bit transfers. (MailNews)

Waiting for feedback:

  • bug 1127784 [EME] Add a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions. (prefpane part)

May need retargeting:

  • bug 1123673 Consider exposing security.tls.version.fallback-limit in SSL prefpane to accommodate SSL 3.0 legacy sites.

Patch unbitrotted:

  • bug 1149581 Remove SSLv3 strings from SSL panel in Privacy & Security preferences.
    • to be reviewed once bug 1137991 has hit the releases (timing depends on the Firefox/Core side but seems to become effective as planned with 39.0).

Other:

  • Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.
  • End-user information and discussion on MozillaZine.

Any other business?


SeaMonkey Meeting Details

26-May-2015

SeaMonkey: 2015-05-26

Filed under: Posts — Tags: — Jesper Kristensen @ 11:00 pm

Agenda

  • Who’s taking minutes? -> TBD
  • Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
    • TBD

Action Items

(who needs to do what that hasn’t been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

NEW

OPEN

  • bug 1150082 SeaMonkey Donation Page is using the PayPal all or nothing version, instead of the usual either/or one. Mcsmurf is investigating.
  • bug 1121281 tracks the RelEng automation migration off CVS. Currently two option patches awaiting for Callek’s decision. Once settled, ewong will follow up with RelEng patches based on that decision.

CLOSED

Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree

  • Notes:
    • Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as bug 1092468 and bug 1108970. Migrating our Windows builders to Win2008 and our compiler toolchain to VS2013 would likely solve this and other bustages.
    • Ratty has offered to put up some win32 contributed builds. Just need to put them somewhere where they can be downloaded.
    • There are also some upcoming changes to L10n build system in Q1 2015 (bug 1107635).
    • Buildmaster is up and running, and produces en-US builds, see 9/16 meeting’s Friends of the Fish Tank. Builds and langpacks in 18 languages including en-US are available unofficially thanks to A.Kalla.
    • bug 1083689 Langpacks aren’t updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren’t uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).
    • Language Packs need strict versioning e.g. min 2.30 max 2.30.*. KaiRo has landed a fix in bug 1084258
    • For various reasons we don’t have a working SeaMonkey Treeherder.
    • SeaMonkey’s release/website processes have been migrated to Mercurial.
    • wrt bug 1155011, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.
  • [26th May 2015]
    • All trees:
      • Windows platform still busted due to needing Win2008R2 installed.
    • [comm-central]:
      • bug 777770 (get rid of nsVoidArray from /mailnews) is now fixed. Builders are building again.
  • See RelEng page for the RelEng status history.

Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting

  • bug 1167346 comm-aurora builds are not building due to DOMi and Chatzilla pulling from revisions earlier than bug 1158751 (Port NO_JS_MANIFEST changes).

Release Train

  • SeaMonkey 2.33.1 was released on 23 March and is the most recent release.
  • No scheduled ETA for 2.35 beta 1 yet – depends on fixing bug 1114876
    • Need to look at possibility of a further 2.33.x release if no 2.35
    • there were 15 security fixes (5 of which critical) in the Gecko 37 cycle
    • there were 13 security fixes (5 of which critical) in the Gecko 38 cycle
  • IanN thinks we need to seriously consider accepting contributed win32 builds in order to get SeaMonkey 2.35 out the door.
    • Thunderbird 38.0 is scheduled for May 26. [IanN] we’ll be aiming to get 2.35 for the same time scale as the Thunderbird release.
  • Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: Releases Scheduling
    • next merge day is scheduled for 23 June

Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking

  • See Basics page. Please only list current changes here.
  • Addon Compatibility Listings
  • We are looking for a new place to host the Addon Compatibility Listings for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in this post.
  • Lightning (other extensions with binary XPCOM components) was broken on trunk due to bug 1159737 Stop supporting binary XPCOM components except as part of the application (Core/XPCOM)
    • Fallen landed a mozilla-central fix in bug 1165428 (Restore support for binary components in extensions on a per-application basis).
      • introduced MOZ_BINARY_EXTENSIONS build-time switch.
      • Landed on comm-aurora to be effective for SeaMonkey 2.37 with Lightning 4.2b.
      • Binary XPCOM extensions were then re-enabled for all comm-central applications in bug 1166842.
  • Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/
    This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf – it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there’s only so much an automated tool like that can do.
    • Lemon Juice continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [1].
    • Rainer Bielefeld together with other community members have been updating the list of Firefox addons that have been successfully converted by the Addon Converter.
    • Ratty filed bug 1130390 to add a link on seamonkey-projects.org to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.
  • SeaMonkey 2.33 and Lightning 3.8b1/3.8b2 shows no events or tasks. bug 1144285
    • The problem is that both Thunderbird and Lightning are build with Visual C++ 2013 but SeaMonkey is still build with Visual C++ 2010. Therefore the SeaMonkey installer contains only the VS2010 (msvcp100.dll/msvcr100.dll) files but not the VS2013 (msvcp120.dll/msvcr120.dll) files. The SeaMonkey switch to VS2013 is tracked in Bug 1092468.
  • The Thunderbird team is planning to ship Lightning with Thunderbird. IanN thinks we will want to ship lightning too. We should coordinate with Thunderbird. Related bugs:
    • bug 516026 Integrate Lightning Into SeaMonkey by Default and Ship SeaMonkey with Lightning Enabled
    • bug 1130854 Package Lightning with Thunderbird for c-c and c-a builds.
    • bug 1113183 Integrate Lightning Into Thunderbird by Default.
    • bug 1130852 Add opt-in dialog to promote Calendar integration [Thunderbird].
  • Proposed replacement for Venkman for shipping with SeaMonkey: Tiny JavaScript Debugger. TinyJSD is a JavaScript debugger for privileged code running Mozilla products like Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey. It serves to debug the application as well as extensions written in JavaScript.
    • IanN filed bug 1133723 Investigate options for replacing Venkman with the TinyJSDebugger.
  • Our build team needs to automate DOMI branch selection rather than having to tweak the client.py every 6 weeks. bug 763506

2.x (Last, Current, Next)

  • SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at https://dataviz.mozilla.org Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.
    • Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on seamonkey-projects.org or https://dev.seamonkey.at
    • bug 1133728 Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.
    • Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption.
  • See Basics page for the usual reminders.

2.33

open tracking (0)
tracking requests (1)
targeted (0)
fixed (20)

2.Next

  • Stalled. Needs a kick.
    • bug 815954 Click-to-Play: Port bug 812562 (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).
    • bug 476108 GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].
  • Current breakages:
    • bug 995737 Adapt seamonkey for the address book remote content policy change; use permission manager instead of address book property. Has a reviewed patch. Waiting for sr/moa from Mnyromyr.
  • Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:
    • Firefox is currently changing styles of several Toolkit pages
      • already affected: config.xul for about:config, bug 1125636
      • Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: bug 1097111 – SeaMonkey tracking in bug 1133743
      • Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles
      • Fallout thus far: bug 1133380 about:privatebrowsing (Default), bug 1133582 about:config (Modern)
    • Our front end Sync UI needs to be updated as the old backend is going away in Gecko/Firefox 31. See: New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly. Tracked in:
      • bug 998807 Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
      • bug 1003434 Add support for about:sync-progress.
      • SeaMonkey won’t be allowed to use the Firefox Sync 1.5 servers. Ewong has set up a FxA 1.5 server and is looking into hosting our own FxAccounts server on a community machine or VPS.
    • A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.
    • bug 566746 (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:
      • bug 912031 Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite.
    • bug 769764 move proxy resolution to separate thread and remove sync api. Tracked in:
      • MailNews bug 791645 Rewrite calls to synchronous nsIProtocolProxyService::DeprecatedBlockingResolve with Async code before DeprecatedBlockingResolve disappears as well.
    • The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.
    • bug 825588 Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and bug 851471 Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:
      • bug 888915 Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. Neil has a WIP patch on hand.
    • Removal of SSL 3.0 support after POODLE Attack with 2.36, see bug 1106470.
      • bug 1137991 has removed SSL 3.0 checkbox from SSL preferences
      • bug 1149581 covers removal of the related strings
      • Firefox will likely proceed with the removal in 39.0 given that Chrome goes the same way [2]
    • We’ve picked up he default for security.tls.version.min from Mozilla Core, but security.tls.version.fallback-limit is new. So we need to consider adding the latter to our preferences UI (bug 1123673).
      • Currently unclear whether or not this should be done after bug 1084025 disable insecure TLS version fallback entirely by default [3]

Feature List, Planning

Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: 20 new, 7 fixed, 9 triaged.

  • Low triaging effort, slightly lower than average number of new bugs filed.
  • IanN thinks it would be useful to remind people on the newsgroups / forums that they can contribute by triaging. Tonymec will post a reminder to newsgroups / forums. See bug 1092632 (Sm_tri_HowTo) Document how to triage SeaMonkey bugs.
    • The draft is currently at https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Tonymec/Triage_HowTo
    • Progress is stalled due to hardware/firmware problems with Tonymec’s current computer. Current ETA for newer computer is after Easter but this is a rough estimate. Anyone with a wikimoz account can edit the page (and is welcome to). — Tonymec (talk) 17:35, 21 January 2015 (PST)

Open reviews/flags:
47 review
6 super-review
5 ui-review
8 feedback

  • See Feature List page for major wanted/needed features.
  • TODO:
    • bug 1127784 proposes to add a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions.

Discussion Points (Summary from previous meeting)

From Rainer Bielefeld:

  • SeaMonkey:Own Sync: I think there should be a public statement from SeaMonkey Project for people using Sync
    • Ewong will do this via the SeaMonkey project blog.
  • SeaMonkey:Tasks & Projects/Add-On Converter Button Do we have a “go” for lemon juice to start a fix for bug 1145026 – AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane that way?
    • Ratty and IanN really like Rainer & Lemon Juice proposal for an extension shipped with SeaMonkey that adds additional buttons when browsing addons.mozilla.org. Also see Bug 1145026 Comment 15 for the initial discussion. Rainer & Lemon Juice are proceeding with this plan.
    • Ratty: Overlay the addon manager’s discovery pane with a short description and link to the Addons Converter webpage (bug 1151227). This differs from the first option in that it’s a smaller change, that just overlays the XUL rather than injecting content into the discovery pane browser. This would be part of SeaMonkey code, not an extension. We could do both of course.
  • I am thinking about possibilities how to improve donation for SeaMonkey. In Germany Flattr is not a mass phenomenon, but rather popular, because it allows donation with a single mouse click. I am not too optimistic, I owuld be glad to gett 100€ in the first year. I would be able and willing to manage a SeaMonkey Flattr account.
    • Mcsmurf is in charge of donations/fund raising. Lets discuss this with him first.
  • But in advance I would like to provide short public “statement of accounts” for the current donations. How much did SeaMonkey get 2013, 2014 with current donation system (PayPal)? How has the money been used? Some more info concerning SeaMonkey e.V.?
    • Ratty: paranoid bicycle convenience store uplink denim sign.

Roundtable – Personal Status Updates

Status Updates from developers – what are you working on, what’s the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).

ewong

  • Working on:
    • bug 1099585 – Make JS callers of ios.newChannel call ios.newChannel2 in suite/

IanN

  • Usual testing, reviewing and commenting.
  • Fixed:
    • bug 1158774 Port |bug 1155776 – move USE_EXTENSION_MANIFEST to moz.build| to comm-central – Calendar part
    • bug 1158774 Port |bug 1155776 – move USE_EXTENSION_MANIFEST to moz.build| to comm-central – Remove app-config.mk part
    • bug 1159775 Port |bug 870891 – Move DIST_FILES to moz.build| to comm-central – Use EXTRA_PP_COMPONENTS for Calendar part
    • bug 1159775 Port |bug 870891 – Move DIST_FILES to moz.build| to comm-central – Thunderbird part
    • bug 1159775 Port |bug 870891 – Move DIST_FILES to moz.build| to comm-central – Calendar part
    • bug 1162518 Fix-up SeaMonkey browser tests after file move
    • bug 1165264 Port test from |bug 952982 – Submit inputs should be subject to constraint validation and match :valid/:invalid as needed| to SeaMonkey
  • Fixed for c-c:
  • Fixed for m-c:
  • Fixed for m-i:
  • Pending check in:
  • Checked in pending review:
  • Waiting for feedback/review/information:
  • Fixing review comments before checkin:
    • bug 757230 When using add button for permissions in Data Manager set a displayHost
    • bug 798147 Switch to correct pref pane if pref window already open
  • Working on:
    • bug 1051642 Allow for flat chrome format when packaging extensions
    • bug 943335 [TB] Update icons used in searchplugins (Yahoo, eBay, Wikipedia, Amazon, Bing, Twitter)
    • Various SM Council documents.
    • bug 606683 Allow customization of toolbar in Composer and MailNews Composition
    • bug 639690 [META] Re-arrange code between editor and editorOverlay
    • bug 773979 [META] Switch to new drag and drop api in SeaMonkey
    • bug 657234 Move pasteQuote and pasteNoFormatting into contentAreaContextOverlay
    • File/Folder selection in windows.
  • To Do:
    • bug 639395 Get cmd_fontSize to reflect current state of selected content / content at caret.
    • Prefs-in-a-tab.
    • Create FAQ for Friends of the Fish Tank.
    • Help get composer standalone builds working with –enable-tests.

Neil

Pushed to comm-central:
bug 1161918 Pages can intercept keydown events during typeaheadfind.
1098350 Add UI for new URLbar autocomplete preferences.
Pushed to comm-beta:
bug 1156037 Can’t save web site passwords from doorhanger.
Pushed to mozilla-central:
bug 1155963 Don’t allow NS_NAMED_LITERAL_CSTRING(name, NS_LITERAL_CSTRING(“value”)).
Needs comm-beta checkin:

  • bug 1156088 Doorhangers display useless “Learn more…” link when using the Modern theme.

Still waiting for review:

Rainer Bielefeld

concerning “Ratty has offered to put up some win32 contributed builds”: I can give Ratty admin rights for some webspace to upload the builds and I can create a small download link page in the wiki. Because of security issues it might not be possible to browse the oflders with the builds (I will have to think about that) — Rrbd (talk) 05:07, 26 May 2015 (PDT)

Ratty

TODO:

  • Packaging updates.
  • Safe Browsing updates.
  • Addon-SDK compatibility functions (CustomizableUI, etc).

Working on:

  • bug 1153577 Users should be able to hide the menubar and show it with the ALT key.
  • bug 1158496 JavaScript error: …/nsSuiteGlue.js, line 291: NS_NOINTERFACE: Component returned failure code: 0x80004002 (NS_NOINTERFACE) [nsIWebProgress.DOMWindow].

Waiting for check-in on CLOSED TREE:

  • bug 1167865 Error: formatURLPref: Couldn’t get pref: extensions.getAddons.link.url

Needs sr/moa:

  • bug 995737 Adapt seamonkey for the addressbook remote content policy change; use the permission manager instead of address book property.
  • bug 1163395 Port bug 967494 to SeaMonkey (Preference Composition/Spelling/Language is ignored, and changing spellcheck language in one composition window affects all open and new compositions).

Fixed. Needs approval for comm-aurora, comm-beta, comm-release.

Fixed:

  • bug 1160500 Follow up to bug 1157433 When content disposition information isn’t available in the cache for an image the user right clicks, don’t spew the console.
  • bug 1165427 Port bug 1153657 to SeaMonkey (see TB bug 1164707 missing toolkit_perfmonitoring.xpt in aurora builds).
  • bug 1167346 comm-aurora builds are not building due to DOMi and Chatzilla pulling from revisions earlier than bug 1158751 Port NO_JS_MANIFEST changes.

Other stuff:

  • Did some reviews and approvals.
  • Bug triage and Bug discussions.
  • Usual end user support and PR in newsgroups and Mozillazine.

rsx11m

Fixed on comm-central/aurora/beta:

  • bug 1165320 TEST-UNEXPECTED-FAIL | /builds/slave/test/build/tests/mozmill/notification/test-notification.js (MailNews)

Waiting for comm-release approval: (MailNews Core, if any 2.33.2 is released)

  • bug 1144693 Disable libnotify usage on Linux by default for new-mail notifications.
  • bug 1144719 Allow the user to decide whether or not to use libnotify for new-mail alerts on Linux.

Waiting for ui-review or review:

  • bug 1141324 Upgrade the SSL panel in Privacy & Security preferences to refer to TLS {instead,too}.
  • bug 1152644 Add UI in Notifications preference pane whether or not to use libnotify for new-mail alerts on Linux.
  • bug 1032302 8BITMIME keyword ignored in EHLO greeting, BODY=8BITMIME absent in MAIL request for 8-bit transfers. (MailNews)

Waiting for feedback:

  • bug 1127784 [EME] Add a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions. (prefpane part)
  • bug 1123673 Consider exposing security.tls.version.fallback-limit in SSL prefpane to accommodate SSL 3.0 legacy sites.

On the list:

  • bug 1149581 Remove SSLv3 strings from SSL panel in Privacy & Security preferences.
    • once bug 1137991 has hit the releases (timing unclear on the Firefox/Core side).

Other:

  • Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.
  • End-user information and discussion on MozillaZine.

Any other business?


SeaMonkey Meeting Details

12-May-2015

SeaMonkey: 2015-05-12

Filed under: Posts — Tags: — Jesper Kristensen @ 11:00 pm

Agenda

  • Who’s taking minutes? -> TBD
  • Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
    • TBD

Action Items

(who needs to do what that hasn’t been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

NEW

OPEN

  • bug 1150082 SeaMonkey Donation Page is using the PayPal all or nothing version, instead of the usual either/or one. Mcsmurf is investigating.
  • bug 1121281 tracks the RelEng automation migration off CVS. Currently two option patches awaiting for Callek’s decision. Once settled, ewong will follow up with RelEng patches based on that decision.

CLOSED

  • Website Document History fixed in bug 1159225 by InvisibleSmiley

Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree

  • Notes:
    • Windows nightly trunk builds arewere running again briefly (thanks to Callek and Ewong) but are down again due to bug 1108970. Migrating our Windows builders to VS2013 would likely solve this and other bustages.
    • VS2010 support was removed from mozilla-central on 15th December (bug 1092468). Our Windows slaves are in the process of being upgraded to Win2008 and VS2013 (bug 1114876). There are also some upcoming changes to L10n build system in Q1 2015 (bug 1107635).
    • Buildmaster is up and running, and produces en-US builds, see 9/16 meeting’s Friends of the Fish Tank. Builds and langpacks in 18 languages including en-US are available unofficially thanks to A.Kalla. Edit: However, only 9 languages are published daily for trunk there, and en-GB is not one of them. For Aurora I didn’t check. — Tonymec (talk) 16:49, 21 January 2015 (PST)
    • bug 1083689 Langpacks aren’t updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren’t uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).
    • Should be fixed. Waiting for verification. The langpacks need strict versioning e.g. min 2.30 max 2.30.* which makes sense since you don’t want 2.29 strings with 2.30 KaiRo has landed a fix in bug 1084258 (Language pack compatibility should be bound to Gecko branch, else undefined entity errors possible).
    • For various reasons we don’t have a working SeaMonkey TBPLTreeherder.
    • SeaMonkey’s release/website processes have been migrated to Mercurial.
    • wrt bug 1155011, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.
  • [12th May 2015]
    • Windows nightly, aurora and beta builds are broken. Will be fixed by upgrading to Windows Server 2K8 and Visual Studio 2013 (bug 1114876).
    • All Trees
      • OSX64:
        • Build – Orange : bug 958812 – References of firefox.dmg hard-coded in Mozharness tests.
    • [comm-central]:
      • All platforms are red due to bug 777770. ewong is currently working on it.
  • See RelEng page for the RelEng status history.
  • In Bug 902876 Comment 12 Mcsmurf is waiting for feedback from the build team on how to proceed.

Release Train

  • SeaMonkey 2.33.1 was released on 23 March and is the most recent release.
  • No scheduled ETA for 2.35 beta 1 yet – depends on fixing bug 1114876
    • Need to look at possibility of a further 2.33.x release if no 2.35
    • there were 15 security fixes (5 of which critical) in the Gecko 37 cycle
    • merge day was 11 May as scheduled

Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking

  • See Basics page. Please only list current changes here.
  • Addon Compatibility Listings
  • Lightning is broken on trunk and so are other extensions with binary components
    • bug 1159737 Stop supporting binary XPCOM components except as part of the application (Core/XPCOM)
    • several discussion threads on mozilla.dev.extensions
    • apparently some kind of workaround under consideration [1], nothing specific though
  • Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/
    This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf – it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there’s only so much an automated tool like that can do.
    • Lemon Juice continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [2].
    • Rainer Bielefeld together with other community members have been updating the list of Firefox addons that have been successfully converted by the Addon Converter.
    • Ratty filed bug 1130390 to add a link on seamonkey-projects.org to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.
  • SeaMonkey 2.33 and Lightning 3.8b1/3.8b2 shows no events or tasks. bug 1144285
    • The problem is that both Thunderbird and Lightning are build with Visual C++ 2013 but SeaMonkey is still build with Visual C++ 2010. Therefore the SeaMonkey installer contains only the VS2010 (msvcp100.dll/msvcr100.dll) files but not the VS2013 (msvcp120.dll/msvcr120.dll) files. The SeaMonkey switch to VS2013 is tracked in Bug 1092468.
  • The Thunderbird team is planning to ship Lightning with Thunderbird. IanN thinks we will want to ship lightning too. We should coordinate with Thunderbird. Related bugs:
    • bug 1130854 Package Lightning with Thunderbird for c-c and c-a builds.
    • bug 1113183 Integrate Lightning Into Thunderbird by Default.
    • bug 1130852 Add opt-in dialog to promote Calendar integration [Thunderbird].
  • Proposed replacement for Venkman for shipping with SeaMonkey: Tiny JavaScript Debugger. TinyJSD is a JavaScript debugger for privileged code running Mozilla products like Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey. It serves to debug the application as well as extensions written in JavaScript.
    • IanN filed bug 1133723 Investigate options for replacing Venkman with the TinyJSDebugger.
  • Our build team needs to automate DOMI branch selection rather than having to tweak the client.py every 6 weeks. bug 763506

2.x (Last, Current, Next)

2.33

open tracking (0)
tracking requests (1)
targeted (0)
fixed (20)

2.Next

  • Stalled. Needs a kick.
    • bug 815954 Click-to-Play: Port bug 812562 (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).
    • bug 476108 GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].
  • Current breakages:
    • bug 995737 adapt seamonkey for the address book remote content policy change; use permission manager instead of address book property.
  • Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:
    • Firefox is currently changing styles of several Toolkit pages
      • already affected: config.xul for about:config, bug 1125636
      • Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: bug 1097111 – SeaMonkey tracking in bug 1133743
      • Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles
      • Fallout thus far: bug 1133380 about:privatebrowsing (Default), bug 1133582 about:config (Modern)
    • Our front end Sync UI needs to be updated as the old backend is going away in Gecko/Firefox 31. See: New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly. Tracked in:
      • bug 998807 Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
      • bug 1003434 Add support for about:sync-progress.
      • Update SeaMonkey won’t be allowed to use the Firefox Sync 1.5 servers. Ewong is looking into hosting our own FxAccount server on a community machine or VPS.
    • A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.
    • bug 566746 (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:
      • bug 912031 Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite.
    • bug 769764 move proxy resolution to separate thread and remove sync api. Tracked in:
      • MailNews bug 791645 Rewrite calls to synchronous nsIProtocolProxyService::DeprecatedBlockingResolve with Async code before DeprecatedBlockingResolve disappears as well.
    • The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned. Firefox has migrated to jsdownloads. Thunderbird is in the process of migrating. We need to decide how we are going to handle this sooner rather than later.
    • bug 825588 Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and bug 851471 Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:
      • bug 888915 Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned.

Feature List, Planning

Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: 20 new, 8 fixed, 21 triaged.

  • Medium-high triaging effort, lower than average number of new bugs filed.
  • IanN thinks it would be useful to remind people on the newsgroups / forums that they can contribute by triaging. Tonymec will post a reminder to newsgroups / forums. See bug 1092632 (Sm_tri_HowTo) Document how to triage SeaMonkey bugs.
    • The draft is currently at https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Tonymec/Triage_HowTo
    • Progress is stalled due to hardware/firmware problems with Tonymec’s current computer. Current ETA for newer computer is after Easter but this is a rough estimate. Anyone with a wikimoz account can edit the page (and is welcome to). — Tonymec (talk) 17:35, 21 January 2015 (PST)

Open reviews/flags:
42 review
5 super-review
5 ui-review
7 feedback

  • See Feature List page for major wanted/needed features.
  • TODO:
    • We will need to update our Sync UI code due to the new Sync API. MoCo will not allow us to use FxAccounts (the new Sync API). One possibility is to set up our own Sync 1.5 server on a Community machine.
    • Bug 1127784 proposes to add a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions.

Discussion Points

From Rainer Bielefeld:
Hi, I will not be able to participate. It would be great if you could do some talks and decisions concering:

  • SeaMonkey:Own Sync: I think there should be a public statement from SeaMonkey Project for people using Sync
  • SeaMonkey:Tasks & Projects/Add-On Converter Button: Ideas, concerns, whatever, …. Do we have a “go” for lemon juice to start a fix for bug 1145026 – AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane that way?
  • I am thinking about possibilities how to improve donation for SeaMonkey. In Germany Flattr is not a mass phenomenon, but rather popular, because it allows donation with a single mouse click. I am not too optimistic, I owuld be glad to gett 100€ in the first year. I would be able and willing to manage a SeaMonkey Flattr account.
    • But in advance I would like to provide short public “statement of accounts” for the current donations. How much did SeaMonkey get 2013, 2014 with current donation system (PayPal)? How has the money been used? Some more info concerning SeaMonkey e.V.?

From Ratty:

  • Ewong is currently trying to set up a FxA (Sync 1.5) server. If this works we need somewhere to host the FxA server. Possibilities: (1) Mozilla community machine. (2) We set up a VPS to host (2a) OSU Open Source Lab is free if we meet their criteria.
    • Can someone help port the client code from Firefox?
  • Enhanced SeaMonkey support with AMO.
    • I really like Rainer & Lemon Juice proposal for an extension shipped with SeaMonkey that adds additional buttons when browsing addons.mozilla.org. Also see Bug 1145026 Comment 15 for the initial discussion.
  • Overlay the addon manager’s discovery pane with a short description and link to the Addons Converter webpage (bug 1151227). This differs from the first option in that it’s a smaller change, that just overlays the XUL rather than injecting content into the discovery pane browser. This would be part of SeaMonkey code, not an extension. We could do both of course.

Roundtable – Personal Status Updates

Status Updates from developers – what are you working on, what’s the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).

ewong

  • Working on:
    • bug 777770 – remove references to nsVoidArray.h.
  • Review:
    • some patches. Not listing as bug 777770 is the driver of the car that’s heading up the wall.

IanN

  • Usual testing, reviewing and commenting.
  • Fixed:
    • bug 773349 Port |bug 370750 – Add MOCHITESTS_DIR magic to config/rules.mk| and |bug 920223 – Mass convert MOCHITEST_* variables to manifests| to SeaMonkey
    • bug 1155290 stop using XULAPP_DEFINES for suite/debugQA/
    • bug 1158774 Port |bug 1155776 – move USE_EXTENSION_MANIFEST to moz.build| to comm-central – Calendar Port
    • bug 1159775 Port |bug 870891 – Move DIST_FILES to moz.build| to comm-central – SeaMonkey part
    • bug 1159775 Port |bug 870891 – Move DIST_FILES to moz.build| to comm-central – Instantbird part
  • Fixed for c-c:
  • Fixed for m-c:
  • Fixed for m-i:
  • Pending check in:
  • Checked in pending review:
  • Waiting for feedback/review/information:
  • Fixing review comments before checkin:
    • bug 757230 When using add button for permissions in Data Manager set a displayHost
    • bug 798147 Switch to correct pref pane if pref window already open
  • Working on:
    • bug 1051642 Allow for flat chrome format when packaging extensions
    • bug 943335 [TB] Update icons used in searchplugins (Yahoo, eBay, Wikipedia, Amazon, Bing, Twitter)
    • Various SM Council documents.
    • bug 606683 Allow customization of toolbar in Composer and MailNews Composition
    • bug 639690 [META] Re-arrange code between editor and editorOverlay
    • bug 773979 [META] Switch to new drag and drop api in SeaMonkey
    • bug 657234 Move pasteQuote and pasteNoFormatting into contentAreaContextOverlay
    • File/Folder selection in windows.
  • To Do:
    • bug 639395 Get cmd_fontSize to reflect current state of selected content / content at caret.
    • Prefs-in-a-tab.
    • Create FAQ for Friends of the Fish Tank.
    • Help get composer standalone builds working with –enable-tests.

Rainer Bielefeld

Hi, I will not be able to participate. It would be great if you could do some talks and decisions concering:

  • [Moved to Discussion section above]

Ratty

TODO:

  • Packaging updates.
  • Safe Browsing updates.
  • Addon-SDK compatibility functions (CustomizableUI, etc).

Working on:

  • bug 1145519 toggleSidebar shortcut command is broken in SeaMonkey for Firefox-style sidebars.
  • bug 1153577 Users should be able to hide the menubar and show it with the ALT key.

Waiting for check-in on CLOSED TREE

  • bug 995737 Adapt seamonkey for the addressbook remote content policy change; use the permission manager instead of address book property.
  • bug 1158496 JavaScript error: …/nsSuiteGlue.js, line 291: NS_NOINTERFACE: Component returned failure code: 0x80004002 (NS_NOINTERFACE) [nsIWebProgress.DOMWindow].
  • bug 1160500 Follow up to {{Bug|1157433 When content disposition information isn’t available in the cache for an image the user right clicks, don’t spew the console.
  • bug 1160565 Package FormAutofillStartup.js

Fixed:

  • bug 1157433 The Addon-SDK expects gContextMenuContentData to exist in the context menu code.
  • bug 1160647 Port |bug 1159972 – Remove the fallible version of PL_DHashTableInit()| to comm-central.
  • bug 1160770 Unnecessary return in tabScrolling property in XPFE autocomplete.xml.
  • bug 1163331 Remove PL_NewDHashTable() and PL_DHashTableDestroy() from /mailnews/.

Other stuff:

  • Did some reviews and approvals.
  • Bug triage and Bug discussions.
  • Usual end user support and PR in newsgroups and Mozillazine.

rsx11m

Checked in on trunk:

  • bug 1144693 Disable libnotify usage on Linux by default for new-mail notifications. (MailNews Core, also c-a/c-b)
  • bug 1140204 Rename “Encoding” to “Text Encoding” in Page Info labels (Toolkit bug 951695). (follow-up patch)

Waiting for comm-release approval: (MailNews Core, if any 2.33.2 is released)

  • bug 1144693 Disable libnotify usage on Linux by default for new-mail notifications.
  • bug 1144719 Allow the user to decide whether or not to use libnotify for new-mail alerts on Linux.

Waiting for ui-review and/or review:

  • bug 1127784 [EME] Add a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions. (prefpane part)
  • bug 1152644 Add UI in Notifications preference pane whether or not to use libnotify for new-mail alerts on Linux.
  • bug 1032302 8BITMIME keyword ignored in EHLO greeting, BODY=8BITMIME absent in MAIL request for 8-bit transfers. (MailNews)

Filed:

On the list:

  • bug 1149581 Remove SSLv3 strings from SSL panel in Privacy & Security preferences.
    • once bug 1137991 has hit the releases (timing unclear on the Firefox/Core side).
  • bug 1141324 Upgrade the SSL panel in Privacy & Security preferences to refer to TLS {instead,too}.

Other:

  • Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.
  • End-user information and discussion on MozillaZine.

Any other business?


SeaMonkey Meeting Details

28-April-2015

SeaMonkey: 2015-04-28

Filed under: Posts — Tags: — Jesper Kristensen @ 11:00 pm

Agenda

  • Who’s taking minutes? -> TBD
  • Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
    • TBD

Action Items

(who needs to do what that hasn’t been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

NEW

OPEN

  • bug 1150082 SeaMonkey Donation Page is using the PayPal all or nothing version, instead of the usual either/or one. Mcsmurf is investigating.
  • Official SeaMonkey Blog: Some progress with the SSL certificate issue. With the certificate, things would work easier as mcsmurf wants to sync the blog with Facebook entries. Meta bug 1147825 covers the blog work.
  • bug 1121281 tracks the RelEng automation migration off CVS. Currently two option patches awaiting for Callek’s decision. Once settled, ewong will follow up with RelEng patches based on that decision.

CLOSED

  • bug 1057920 SeaMonkey’s CVS dependency really should be removed. (currently used only for Releng Automation, and SeaMonkey Website).
    • This has been spun off into a separate bugs for the website and the rest. Ewong is poking at things related to Release Automation.
    • Move of the website from CVS to hg was due to happen on Monday bug 1150335.
    • Need to check all website links (e.g. Document History) now point to the correct place – Jens?

Random news

  • A Mozillazine member Havin_it has managed to set up a working Fx Accounts server [1]. I’ve encouraged him to create a wiki page to document the steps needed for building a working server. I should ask ewong to follow up on this.
  • Community member Martin Mokrejs [2] has learnt how to do debug builds and is busy filing bugs [3]. Can someone please contact him and invite him to the SeaMonkey irc channel and/or our developer newsgroup?

Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree

  • Notes:
    • Windows nightly trunk builds arewere running again briefly (thanks to Callek and Ewong) but are down again due to bug 1108970. Migrating our Windows builders to VS2013 would likely solve this and other bustages.
    • VS2010 support was removed from mozilla-central on 15th December (bug 1092468). Our Windows slaves are in the process of being upgraded to Win2008 and VS2013 (bug 1114876). There are also some upcoming changes to L10n build system in Q1 2015 (bug 1107635).
    • Buildmaster is up and running, and produces en-US builds, see 9/16 meeting’s Friends of the Fish Tank. Builds and langpacks in 18 languages including en-US are available unofficially thanks to A.Kalla. Edit: However, only 9 languages are published daily for trunk there, and en-GB is not one of them. For Aurora I didn’t check. — Tonymec (talk) 16:49, 21 January 2015 (PST)
    • bug 1083689 Langpacks aren’t updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren’t uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).
    • Should be fixed. Waiting for verification. The langpacks need strict versioning e.g. min 2.30 max 2.30.* which makes sense since you don’t want 2.29 strings with 2.30 KaiRo has landed a fix in bug 1084258 (Language pack compatibility should be bound to Gecko branch, else undefined entity errors possible).
    • For various reasons we don’t have a working SeaMonkey TBPLTreeherder.
    • SeaMonkey’s release/website processes have been migrated to Mercurial.
  • [28th April 2015]
    • Windows nightly, aurora and beta builds are broken. Will be fixed by upgrading to Windows Server 2K8 and Visual Studio 2013 (bug 1114876).
    • All Trees
      • OSX64:
        • Build – Orange : bug 958812 – References of firefox.dmg hard-coded in Mozharness tests.
    • [comm-central]:
      • All Nightlies are red due to bug 1155013 as we now require the use of a Socorro token. (Getting the token is tracked by bug 1155011). Currently waiting on what user account will be used for the tokens. rhelmer to advise ewong on this. Also SeaMonkey will need to switch the build process to the new way of symbol uploading.
  • See RelEng page for the RelEng status history.
  • In Bug 902876 Comment 12 Mcsmurf is waiting for feedback from the build team on how to proceed.

Release Train

  • SeaMonkey 2.33.1 was released on 23 March and is the most recent release.
  • No scheduled ETA for 2.34 beta 1 yet – depends on fixing bug 1114876
    • Need to look at possibility of a further 2.33.x release if no 2.34
    • there were 15 security fixes (5 of which critical) in the Gecko 37 cycle so far
    • Firefox has merged mozilla-beta into mozilla-release already, in preparation of the 38.0 ESR branch
    • next scheduled merge day is 11 May
  • Discussion on whether it’s worth it to do a 2.34 Beta or skip straight to a 2.35 beta – probably the latter.

Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking

  • See Basics page. Please only list current changes here.
  • Addon Compatibility Listings
  • Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/
    This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf – it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there’s only so much an automated tool like that can do.
    • Lemon Juice continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [4].
    • Rainer Bielefeld together with other community members have been updating the list of Firefox addons that have been successfully converted by the Addon Converter.
    • Ratty filed bug 1130390 to add a link on seamonkey-projects.org to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.
  • SeaMonkey 2.33 and Lightning 3.8b1/3.8b2 shows no events or tasks. bug 1144285
    • The problem is that both Thunderbird and Lightning are build with Visual C++ 2013 but SeaMonkey is still build with Visual C++ 2010. Therefore the SeaMonkey installer contains only the VS2010 (msvcp100.dll/msvcr100.dll) files but not the VS2013 (msvcp120.dll/msvcr120.dll) files. The SeaMonkey switch to VS2013 is tracked in Bug 1092468.
  • The Thunderbird team is planning to ship Lightning with Thunderbird. IanN thinks we will want to ship lightning too. We should coordinate with Thunderbird. Related bugs:
    • bug 1130854 Package Lightning with Thunderbird for c-c and c-a builds.
    • bug 1113183 Integrate Lightning Into Thunderbird by Default.
    • bug 1130852 Add opt-in dialog to promote Calendar integration [Thunderbird].
  • Proposed replacement for Venkman for shipping with SeaMonkey: Tiny JavaScript Debugger. TinyJSD is a JavaScript debugger for privileged code running Mozilla products like Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey. It serves to debug the application as well as extensions written in JavaScript.
    • IanN filed bug 1133723 Investigate options for replacing Venkman with the TinyJSDebugger.
  • Our build team needs to automate DOMI branch selection rather than having to tweak the client.py every 6 weeks. bug 763506

2.x (Last, Current, Next)

2.33

open tracking (0)
tracking requests (1)
targeted (0)
fixed (20)

2.Next

  • Stalled. Needs a kick.
    • bug 815954 Click-to-Play: Port bug 812562 (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).
    • bug 476108 GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].
  • Current breakages:
    • bug 995737 adapt seamonkey for the address book remote content policy change; use permission manager instead of address book property.
  • Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:
    • Firefox is currently changing styles of several Toolkit pages
      • already affected: config.xul for about:config, bug 1125636
      • Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: bug 1097111 – SeaMonkey tracking in bug 1133743
      • Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles
      • Fallout thus far: bug 1133380 about:privatebrowsing (Default), bug 1133582 about:config (Modern)
    • Our front end Sync UI needs to be updated as the old backend is going away in Gecko/Firefox 31. See: New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly. Tracked in:
      • bug 998807 Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
      • bug 1003434 Add support for about:sync-progress.
      • Update SeaMonkey won’t be allowed to use the Firefox Sync 1.5 servers. Ewong is looking into hosting our own FxAccount server on a community machine or VPS.
    • A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.
    • bug 566746 (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:
      • bug 912031 Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite.
    • bug 769764 move proxy resolution to separate thread and remove sync api. Tracked in:
      • MailNews bug 791645 Rewrite calls to synchronous nsIProtocolProxyService::DeprecatedBlockingResolve with Async code before DeprecatedBlockingResolve disappears as well.
    • The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned. Firefox has migrated to jsdownloads. Thunderbird is in the process of migrating. We need to decide how we are going to handle this sooner rather than later.
    • bug 825588 Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and bug 851471 Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:
      • bug 888915 Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned.

Feature List, Planning

Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: 33 new, 15 fixed, 14 triaged.

  • Low-medium triaging effort, slightly higher than average number of new bugs filed.
  • IanN thinks it would be useful to remind people on the newsgroups / forums that they can contribute by triaging. Tonymec will post a reminder to newsgroups / forums. See bug 1092632 (Sm_tri_HowTo) Document how to triage SeaMonkey bugs.
    • The draft is currently at https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Tonymec/Triage_HowTo
    • Progress is stalled due to hardware/firmware problems with Tonymec’s current computer. Current ETA for newer computer is after Easter but this is a rough estimate. Anyone with a wikimoz account can edit the page (and is welcome to). — Tonymec (talk) 17:35, 21 January 2015 (PST)

Open reviews/flags:
42 review
5 super-review
4 ui-review
7 feedback

  • See Feature List page for major wanted/needed features.
  • TODO:
    • We will need to update our Sync UI code due to the new Sync API. MoCo will not allow us to use FxAccounts (the new Sync API). We might want to update our code anyway just in case. One possibility is to set up our own Sync 1.5 server on a Community machine.
    • Bug 1127784 proposes to add a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions.

Roundtable – Personal Status Updates

Status Updates from developers – what are you working on, what’s the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).

IanN

  • Usual testing, reviewing and commenting.
  • Fixed:
    • bug 1158774 Port |bug 1155776 – move USE_EXTENSION_MANIFEST to moz.build| to comm-central – SeaMonkey Port
  • Fixed for c-c:
    • bug 1158774 Port |bug 1155776 – move USE_EXTENSION_MANIFEST to moz.build| to comm-central – Thunderbird Port
  • Fixed for m-c:
    • bug 1158774 Port |bug 1155776 – move USE_EXTENSION_MANIFEST to moz.build| to comm-central – Inspector and Chatzilla Ports
  • Fixed for m-i:
  • Pending check in:
    • bug 1158774 Port |bug 1155776 – move USE_EXTENSION_MANIFEST to moz.build| to comm-central – Calendar Port
  • Checked in pending review:
  • Waiting for feedback/review/information:
  • Fixing review comments before checkin:
    • bug 757230 When using add button for permissions in Data Manager set a displayHost
    • bug 798147 Switch to correct pref pane if pref window already open
  • Working on:
    • bug 1155290 stop using XULAPP_DEFINES for suite/debugQA/
    • bug 1051642 Allow for flat chrome format when packaging extensions
    • bug 943335 [TB] Update icons used in searchplugins (Yahoo, eBay, Wikipedia, Amazon, Bing, Twitter)
    • Various SM Council documents.
    • bug 606683 Allow customization of toolbar in Composer and MailNews Composition
    • bug 639690 [META] Re-arrange code between editor and editorOverlay
    • bug 773979 [META] Switch to new drag and drop api in SeaMonkey
    • bug 657234 Move pasteQuote and pasteNoFormatting into contentAreaContextOverlay
    • File/Folder selection in windows.
  • To Do:
    • bug 639395 Get cmd_fontSize to reflect current state of selected content / content at caret.
    • Prefs-in-a-tab.
    • Create FAQ for Friends of the Fish Tank.
    • Help get composer standalone builds working with –enable-tests.

Neil

Pushed to comm-central:

  • bug 1148191 getURLAndPostDataForKeyword() is deprecated, please use PlacesUtils.keywords.fetch() instead.

Pushed to comm-central, needs comm-aurora uplift:

  • bug 1156017 Can’t save web site passwords from doorhanger.

Pushed to comm-central, needs comm-aurora and comm-beta uplift:

  • bug 1156088 Doorhangers display useless “Learn more…” link when using the Modern theme.

Pushed to comm-central, comm-aurora and comm-beta:

  • bug 1148330 Exclude Linux generic fonts from font menulists.
  • bug 1152045 Email address missing from “From” field if the identityName pref was set.

Pushed to mozilla-central:

  • bug 1140105 Wrong font displayed in font menu when selection is collapsed.

Pushed to comm-beta:

  • bug 1098350 Need to refactor SeaMonkey Preferences and UI because bug 530209 replaced the browser.urlbar.default.behavior preference with a more flexible scheme (branch patch).

Waiting for review:

  • bug 1098350 Need to refactor SeaMonkey Preferences and UI because bug 530209 replaced the browser.urlbar.default.behavior preference with a more flexible scheme (trunk patch).

Still waiting for review:

I’m also looking into porting the Download Manager to Downloads.jsm (unfortunately I was struggling with a build failure that turned out to be down to Windows 10 Technical Preview resetting the increaseuserva setting).

Ratty

Random Notes

  • Ask IanN to look into bug 1155290
  • Clarify plan on dealing with the removal of the download manager C++ backend in /toolkit/ (1) copy necessary files to c-c/suite/common/downloads/ (2) migrate code to use the new jsdownloads API. (3) panic. Decommission heads up from Firefox developers [5]
  • Chase InvisibleSmiley on getting a link to the Addon Converter added to the SeaMonkey landing page.
  • Talk to the Dataviz people on how to generate public views ourselves.

Checked-in on CLOSED TREE:

  • bug 683728 Walking the references doesn’t fully work (msgWindow.openFolder is null).
  • bug 1147456 “View -> Page Info: Copy any information from list does not modify clipboard.
  • bug 1148798 nsSuiteGlue.js error NS_ERROR_UNEXPECTED when running tests because “app.update.lastUpdateTime.background-update-timer” isn’t set.
  • bug 1122906 First right-click on textarea shows huge contextmenu.
  • bug 1130790 Print Preview missing in composition window.
  • bug 1140353 Welcome text contains hyperlink to Thunderbird information.

TODO:

  • Packaging updates.
  • Safe Browsing updates.
  • The Addon-SDK compatibility functions (gContextMenuContentData, CustomizableUI, etc).

Working on:

  • bug 1145519 toggleSidebar shortcut command is broken in SeaMonkey for Firefox-style sidebars.
  • bug 1153577 Users should be able to hide the menubar and show it with the ALT key.
  • bug 1157433 The Addon-SDK expects gContextMenuContentData to exist in the context menu code.
  • bug 1158496 JavaScript error: …/nsSuiteGlue.js, line 291: NS_NOINTERFACE: Component returned failure code: 0x80004002 (NS_NOINTERFACE) [nsIWebProgress.DOMWindow].

Fixed:

  • bug 1133355 The Properties button and context menuitem should be disabled when multiple cards are selected.
  • bug 1156777 nsParseMailbox.cpp:505:55: error: ‘do_QueryObject’ was not declared in this scope.

Other stuff:

  • Did some reviews and approvals.
  • Bug triage and Bug discussions.
  • Usual end user support and PR in newsgroups and Mozillazine.

rsx11m

Checked in on trunk:

  • bug 1140204 Rename “Encoding” to “Text Encoding” in Page Info labels (Toolkit bug 951695). (follow-up pending)
  • bug 1139004 Rename all “Character Encoding” to “Text Encoding” in Help content (Toolkit bug 951695).
  • bug 1137991 Remove SSLv3 option from SSL panel in Privacy & Security panel. (also comm-aurora)
  • bug 1127784 [EME] Add a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions. (preference part, c-a/c-b)
  • bug 1144719 Allow the user to decide whether or not to use libnotify for new-mail alerts on Linux. (MailNews Core, c-a/c-b)

Waiting for checkin:

  • bug 1140204 Rename “Encoding” to “Text Encoding” in Page Info labels (Toolkit bug 951695). (follow-up patch)

Waiting for comm-release approval:

  • bug 1144719 Allow the user to decide whether or not to use libnotify for new-mail alerts on Linux. (MailNews Core, if any 2.33.2/2.34 is released)

Waiting for ui-review:

  • bug 1127784 [EME] Add a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions. (prefpane part)

Waiting for review:

  • bug 1032302 8BITMIME keyword ignored in EHLO greeting, BODY=8BITMIME absent in MAIL request for 8-bit transfers. (MailNews)
  • bug 1144693 New-mail notifications not always working since bug 858919 enabled libnotify usage on Linux again. (MailNews)
    • mitigating patch to set pref default after landing of bug 1144719.

On the list:

  • bug 1149581 Remove SSLv3 strings from SSL panel in Privacy & Security preferences.
    • once bug 1137991 has hit the releases (timing unclear on the Firefox/Core side).
  • bug 1152644 Add UI in Notifications preference pane whether or not to use libnotify for new-mail alerts on Linux.
  • bug 1141324 Upgrade the SSL panel in Privacy & Security preferences to refer to TLS {instead,too}.

Other:

  • Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.
  • End-user information and discussion on MozillaZine.

Any other business?


SeaMonkey Meeting Details

14-April-2015

SeaMonkey: 2015-04-14

Filed under: Posts — Tags: — Jesper Kristensen @ 11:00 pm

Agenda

  • Who’s taking minutes? -> TBD
  • Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
    • TBD

Action Items

(who needs to do what that hasn’t been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

NEW

  • bug 1150082 SeaMonkey Donation Page is using the PayPal all or nothing version, instead of the usual either/or one. Mcsmurf is investigating.

OPEN

  • Official SeaMonkey Blog: Some progress with the SSL certificate issue. With the certificate, things would work easier as mcsmurf wants to sync the blog with Facebook entries. Meta bug 1147825 covers the blog work.
  • bug 1057920 SeaMonkey’s CVS dependency really should be removed. (currently used only for Releng Automation, and SeaMonkey Website).
    • This has been spun off into a separate bugs for the website and the rest. Ewong is poking at things related to Release Automation.
    • Move of the website from CVS to hg was due to happen on Monday bug 1150335.
    • Need to check all website links (e.g. Document History) now point to the correct place – Jens?

CLOSED

Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree

  • Notes:
    • Windows nightly trunk builds arewere running again briefly (thanks to Callek and Ewong) but are down again due to bug 1108970. Migrating our Windows builders to VS2013 would likely solve this and other bustages.
    • VS2010 support was removed from mozilla-central on 15th December (bug 1092468). Our Windows slaves are in the process of being upgraded to Win2008 and VS2013 (bug 1114876). There are also some upcoming changes to L10n build system in Q1 2015 (bug 1107635).
    • Buildmaster is up and running, and produces en-US builds, see 9/16 meeting’s Friends of the Fish Tank. Builds and langpacks in 18 languages including en-US are available unofficially thanks to A.Kalla. Edit: However, only 9 languages are published daily for trunk there, and en-GB is not one of them. For Aurora I didn’t check. — Tonymec (talk) 16:49, 21 January 2015 (PST)
    • bug 1083689 Langpacks aren’t updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren’t uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).
    • The langpacks need strict versioning e.g. min 2.30 max 2.30.* which makes sense since you don’t want 2.29 strings with 2.30 KaiRo has landed a fix in bug 1084258 (Language pack compatibility should be bound to Gecko branch, else undefined entity errors possible).
    • Due to the master having some mysql issues, Callek had put a halt on the mysql updates, which affects the SeaMonkey treeherder, or rather it would have affected our treeherder if we had one.
    • Currently in the process of migrating SeaMonkey’s release/website processes to using Mercurial.
      • Website: bug 1150335 – Migrate seamonkey-project.org to Mercurial.
      • Release: bug 1121281 – Migrate SeaMonkey’s release process off cvs.
  • [14th April 2015]
    • Windows nightly, aurora and beta builds are broken. Will be fixed by upgrading to Windows Server 2K8 and Visual Studio 2013 (bug 1114876).
    • All Trees
      • OSX64:
        • Build – Orange : bug 958812 – References of firefox.dmg hard-coded in Mozharness tests.
    • [comm-central]:
      • All Nightlies are red (as of this writing) due to bug 1153187 but they’ll turn green/orange when they run next.
    • [comm-aurora]:
      • OSX64 build: red due to a glitch in the network. (could not checkout mozilla-aurora, just retriggered the last build.)
  • See RelEng page for the RelEng status history.
  • In Bug 902876 Comment 12 Mcsmurf is waiting for feedback from the build team on how to proceed.

Release Train

  • SeaMonkey 2.33.1 was released on 23 March and is the most recent release.
  • No scheduled ETA for 2.34 beta 1 yet – depends on fixing bug 1114876
    • Need to look at possibility of a further 2.33.x release if no 2.34
    • there were 15 security fixes (5 of which critical) in the Gecko 37 cycle so far
    • next scheduled merge day is 11 May

Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking

  • See Basics page. Please only list current changes here.
  • Addon Compatibility Listings
  • Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/
    This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf – it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there’s only so much an automated tool like that can do.
  • Lightning 3.8b1 builds are available for SeaMonkey 2.33.
    • reported broken bug 1133663, 3.8b2 released but may not entirely fix the issue [1].
    • Lightning 3.9b1 is available for testing once SM 2.34b1 is out.
  • SeaMonkey 2.33 and Lightning 3.8b1/3.8b2 shows no events or tasks. bug 1144285
    • The problem is that both Thunderbird and Lightning are build with Visual C++ 2013 but SeaMonkey is still build with Visual C++ 2010. Therefore the SeaMonkey installer contains only the VS2010 (msvcp100.dll/msvcr100.dll) files but not the VS2013 (msvcp120.dll/msvcr120.dll) files. The SeaMonkey switch to VS2013 is tracked in Bug 1092468.
  • The Thunderbird team is planning to ship Lightning with Thunderbird. IanN thinks we will want to ship lightning too. We should coordinate with Thunderbird. Related bugs:
    • bug 1130854 Package Lightning with Thunderbird for c-c and c-a builds.
    • bug 1113183 Integrate Lightning Into Thunderbird by Default.
    • bug 1130852 Add opt-in dialog to promote Calendar integration [Thunderbird].
  • Proposed replacement for Venkman for shipping with SeaMonkey: Tiny JavaScript Debugger. TinyJSD is a JavaScript debugger for privileged code running Mozilla products like Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey. It serves to debug the application as well as extensions written in JavaScript.
    • IanN filed bug 1133723 Investigate options for replacing Venkman with the TinyJSDebugger.
  • Our build team needs to automate DOMI branch selection rather than having to tweak the client.py every 6 weeks. bug 763506

2.x (Last, Current, Next)

2.33

open tracking (0)
tracking requests (1)
targeted (0)
fixed (20)

2.Next

  • Stalled. Needs a kick.
    • bug 815954 Click-to-Play: Port bug 812562 (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).
    • bug 476108 GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].
  • Current breakages:
    • bug 995737 adapt seamonkey for the address book remote content policy change; use permission manager instead of address book property.
  • Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:
    • Firefox is currently changing styles of several Toolkit pages
      • already affected: config.xul for about:config, bug 1125636
      • Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: bug 1097111 – SeaMonkey tracking in bug 1133743
      • Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles
      • Fallout thus far: bug 1133380 about:privatebrowsing (Default), bug 1133582 about:config (Modern)
    • Our front end Sync UI needs to be updated as the old backend is going away in Gecko/Firefox 31. See: New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly. Tracked in:
      • bug 998807 Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
      • bug 1003434 Add support for about:sync-progress.
      • Update SeaMonkey won’t be allowed to use the Firefox Sync 1.5 servers. Ewong is looking into hosting our own FxAccount server on a community machine or VPS.
    • A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.
    • bug 566746 (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:
      • bug 912031 Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite.
    • bug 769764 move proxy resolution to separate thread and remove sync api. Tracked in:
      • MailNews bug 791645 Rewrite calls to synchronous nsIProtocolProxyService::DeprecatedBlockingResolve with Async code before DeprecatedBlockingResolve disappears as well.
    • The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned. Firefox has migrated to jsdownloads. Thunderbird is in the process of migrating. We need to decide how we are going to handle this sooner rather than later.
    • bug 825588 Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and bug 851471 Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:
      • bug 888915 Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned.

Feature List, Planning

Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: 26 new, 2 fixed, 12 triaged.

  • Low triaging effort, lower than average number of new bugs filed.
  • IanN thinks it would be useful to remind people on the newsgroups / forums that they can contribute by triaging. Tonymec will post a reminder to newsgroups / forums. See bug 1092632 (Sm_tri_HowTo) Document how to triage SeaMonkey bugs.
    • The draft is currently at https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Tonymec/Triage_HowTo
    • Progress is stalled due to hardware/firmware problems with Tonymec’s current computer. Current ETA for newer computer is after Easter but this is a rough estimate. Anyone with a wikimoz account can edit the page (and is welcome to). — Tonymec (talk) 17:35, 21 January 2015 (PST)

Open reviews/flags:
40 review
5 super-review
4 ui-review
7 feedback

  • See Feature List page for major wanted/needed features.
  • TODO:
    • We will need to update our Sync UI code due to the new Sync API. MoCo will not allow us to use FxAccounts (the new Sync API). We might want to update our code anyway just in case. One possibility is to set up our own Sync 1.5 server on a Community machine.
    • Bug 1127784 proposes to add a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions.

Roundtable – Personal Status Updates

Status Updates from developers – what are you working on, what’s the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).

ewong

  • Fixed:
    • bug 1147835 – SeaMonkey linux* builders are not connected to master due to failing runslave.py’s guess_basedir()

IanN

  • Usual testing, reviewing and commenting.
  • Fixed:
  • Fixed for c-c:
  • Fixed for m-c:
  • Fixed for m-i:
  • Pending check in:
  • Checked in pending review:
  • Waiting for feedback/review/information:
  • Fixing review comments before checkin:
    • bug 757230 When using add button for permissions in Data Manager set a displayHost
    • bug 798147 Switch to correct pref pane if pref window already open
  • Working on:
    • bug 1051642 Allow for flat chrome format when packaging extensions
    • bug 943335 [TB] Update icons used in searchplugins (Yahoo, eBay, Wikipedia, Amazon, Bing, Twitter)
    • Various SM Council documents.
    • bug 606683 Allow customization of toolbar in Composer and MailNews Composition
    • bug 639690 [META] Re-arrange code between editor and editorOverlay
    • bug 773979 [META] Switch to new drag and drop api in SeaMonkey
    • bug 657234 Move pasteQuote and pasteNoFormatting into contentAreaContextOverlay
    • File/Folder selection in windows.
  • To Do:
    • bug 639395 Get cmd_fontSize to reflect current state of selected content / content at caret.
    • Prefs-in-a-tab.
    • Create FAQ for Friends of the Fish Tank.
    • Help get composer standalone builds working with –enable-tests.

Neil

Pushed to chatzilla:

  • bug 1148242 chatzilla-service.js isn’t getting built any more.

Needs comm-central checkin:

  • bug 1148191 getURLAndPostDataForKeyword() is deprecated, please use PlacesUtils.keywords.fetch() instead.

Needs comm-beta uplift:

  • bug 1098350 Need to refactor SeaMonkey Preferences and UI because bug 530209 replaced the browser.urlbar.default.behavior preference with a more flexible scheme (branch patch).

Working on:

  • bug 1098350 Need to refactor SeaMonkey Preferences and UI because bug 530209 replaced the browser.urlbar.default.behavior preference with a more flexible scheme (trunk patch).

No longer working on:

  • bug 1141017 Wrong font is sometimes displayed in font menulist.

Waiting for review:

  • bug 1140105 Wrong font displayed in font menu when selection is collapsed.
  • bug 1148330 Exclude Linux generic fonts from font menulists.

Still waiting for review:

Ratty

TODO:

Working on:

  • bug 1145519 toggleSidebar shortcut command is broken in SeaMonkey for Firefox-style sidebars.

Fixed:

  • bug 1050561 UnicodeDecodeError when running mochitest (SeaMonkey/Thunderbird only).
  • bug 1132218 Update comm-central for PLDHashTable changes in bug 1131901 [MailNews Core].
  • bug 1134234 resource://app/modules/gloda/mimemsg.js should be resource:///modules/gloda/mimemsg.js in /mail/test/mozmill/shared-modules/test-message-helpers.js [Thunderbird].
  • bug 1139958 Start using AppConstants.jsm in Toolkit.
  • bug 1142997 Cannot Print from Composer and other <editor> elements [Toolkit].
  • bug 1149548 keyword search from the location bar is now case sensitive – previously wasn’t [Places].
  • bug 1150851 Use AppConstants.jsm in Toolkit/places and stop pre-processing PlacesUtils.jsm [Places].

Waiting for review:

  • bug 1133355 The Properties button and context menuitem should be disabled when multiple cards are selected.
  • bug 1153577 Users should be able to hide the menubar and show it with the ALT key.

Waiting for check-in on CLOSED TREE:

  • bug 683728 Walking the references doesn’t fully work (msgWindow.openFolder is null).
  • bug 1147456 “View -> Page Info: Copy any information from list does not modify clipboard.
  • bug 1148798 nsSuiteGlue.js error NS_ERROR_UNEXPECTED when running tests because “app.update.lastUpdateTime.background-update-timer” isn’t set.
  • bug 1122906 First right-click on textarea shows huge contextmenu.
  • bug 1130790 Print Preview missing in composition window.
  • bug 1140353 Welcome text contains hyperlink to Thunderbird information.

Other stuff:

  • Did some reviews and approvals.
  • Bug triage and Bug discussions.
  • Usual end user support and PR in newsgroups and Mozillazine.

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Still waiting for checkin:

Waiting for checkin:

  • bug 1137991 Remove SSLv3 option from SSL panel in Privacy & Security panel.
    • also needs to land on comm-aurora.
  • bug 1144719 Allow the user to decide whether or not to use libnotify for new-mail alerts on Linux. (MailNews Core)
    • needs branch approval once it landed on trunk (workaround for bug 1144693).
  • bug 1127784 [EME] Add a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions. (preference part)
    • needs to land on comm-aurora/beta given that 2.35 is affected already.
  • bug 1139004 Rename all “Character Encoding” to “Text Encoding” in Help content (Toolkit bug 951695).

Waiting for ui-review:

  • bug 1127784 [EME] Add a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions. (prefpane part)

Waiting for review:

  • bug 1032302 8BITMIME keyword ignored in EHLO greeting, BODY=8BITMIME absent in MAIL request for 8-bit transfers. (MailNews)
  • bug 1144693 New-mail notifications not always working since bug 858919 enabled libnotify usage on Linux again. (MailNews)
    • mitigating patch to set pref default after landing of bug 1144719.

Filed:

  • bug 1149581 Remove SSLv3 strings from SSL panel in Privacy & Security preferences.
    • once bug 1137991 has hit the releases (timing unclear on the Firefox/Core side).
  • bug 1152644 Add UI in Notifications preference pane whether or not to use libnotify for new-mail alerts on Linux.
  • bug 1152773 New-mail notifications using libnotify are missing sender and subject information. (MailNews Core)

On the list:

  • bug 1141324 Upgrade the SSL panel in Privacy & Security preferences to refer to TLS {instead,too}.

Other:

  • Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.
  • End-user information and discussion on MozillaZine.

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