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SeaMonkey: 2015-07-21

Filed under: Posts — Tags: — Jesper Kristensen @ 11:00 pm


  • Who’s taking minutes? -> TBD
  • Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
    • TBD

Action Items

(who needs to do what that hasn’t been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.


  • Need to check if the carousel within Add-On Manager can be used for SeaMonkey specific content. Ted might know.


  • bug 1121281 tracks the RelEng automation migration off CVS. Currently two option patches awaiting for Callek’s decision. Once settled, ewong will follow up with RelEng patches based on that decision.


Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree

  • Notes:
    • Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as bug 1092468 and bug 1108970. Migrating our Windows builders to Win2008 and our compiler toolchain to VS2013 would likely solve this and other bustages.
    • Ratty has put up some win32 contributed builds on
    • There are also some upcoming changes to L10n build system in Q1 2015 (bug 1107635).
    • Buildmaster is up and running, and produces en-US builds, see 9/16 meeting’s Friends of the Fish Tank. Builds and langpacks in 18 languages including en-US are available unofficially thanks to A.Kalla.
    • bug 1083689 Langpacks aren’t updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren’t uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).
    • For various reasons we don’t have a working SeaMonkey Treeherder.
    • wrt bug 1155011, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on bug 1155013 require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.
  • [21th July 2015]
    • All trees:
      • Windows platform still busted due to needing Win2008R2 installed.
      • We have a loaner which ewong is working on (see blog for more information).
    • comm-central:
      • All platforms: Busted due to bug 1185583. Patch is awaiting review.
  • See RelEng page for the RelEng status history.

Release Train

SeaMonkey 2.35 Release

  • We plan to release SeaMonkey 2.35 asap in July.
    • For windows builds, we have a loaner win machine from Mozilla for us (i.e. ewong) to do manual window builds.
    • Ratty has landed various patches on the comm-release’s SEAMONKEY_2_35_RELEASE_BRANCH (bug 1177041) and merged recent post-38.1.0 checkins into it on mozilla-esr38.
  • I have (albeit inconsistently) generated Nightly Win32 trunk builds (2.39a1) and have uploaded them to
  • bug 1177634 prevented me from building on the loaner. The patch attached to that bug is hot-patched to the source prior to the build. (Since this is a ‘building’ issue and not an application code issue, it shouldn’t affect running SeaMonkey.)
  • Complete/partial snippets are not available as I’m trying to figure ’em out.
  • After having done it for a day, the windows builds were broken by bug 1180065 and bug 1180356.
    • The patch attached to bug 1180065 was manually applied to the buildbotmaster, so it’s working now (but needs to be reviewed and pushed to the buildbotcustom repo),
    • bug 1180356 is fixed.
  • Trying to refactor the process to also include the l10n repack steps (which I’m still trying to figure out as I go along).


  • bug 1177041 (SM2.35-Uplift) Bugs / Patches to be uplifted to comm-release for SeaMonkey 2.35 (and dependencies).
  • bug 1185824 (SM2.35-mozilla-esr38-Uplift) Bugs / Patches to be uplifted to mozilla-esr38 relbranch for SeaMonkey 2.35.
  • Created SEAMONKEY_2_35_RELEASE_BRANCH on mozilla-esr38 (bug 1179808) and comm-release (bug 1180911.
    • SEAMONKEY_2_35_RELEASE_BRANCH on mozilla-esr38 is branched off THUNDERBIRD_38_VERBRANCH. This should contain all the stability and security fixes for mozilla-esr38 which saves us a lot of work. (seems to be the way to go)
    • Also I’ve been doing regular merges from default to SEAMONKEY_2_35_RELEASE_BRANCH which means we are at par with Gecko 38.1.0.


Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking

  • See Basics page. Please only list current changes here.
  • Addon Compatibility Listings
  • We are looking for a new place to host the Addon Compatibility Listings for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in this post.
  • Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey
    This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf – it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there’s only so much an automated tool like that can do.
    • Lemon Juice continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [1].
    • looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [2], bug 1145026.
    • Rainer Bielefeld together with other community members have been updating the list of Firefox addons that have been successfully converted by the Addon Converter.
    • Ratty filed bug 1130390 to add a link on to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.
  • The Thunderbird team is now shipping Lightning with Thunderbird. IanN will work on shipping lightning too. Related bugs:
    • bug 516026 Integrate Lightning Into SeaMonkey by Default and Ship SeaMonkey with Lightning Enabled
    • bug 1130854 Package Lightning with Thunderbird for c-c and c-a builds.
    • bug 1113183 Integrate Lightning Into Thunderbird by Default.
    • bug 1130852 Add opt-in dialog to promote Calendar integration [Thunderbird].
  • Proposed replacement for Venkman for shipping with SeaMonkey: Tiny JavaScript Debugger. TinyJSD is a JavaScript debugger for privileged code running Mozilla products like Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey. It serves to debug the application as well as extensions written in JavaScript.
    • IanN filed bug 1133723 Investigate options for replacing Venkman with the TinyJSDebugger.

2.x (Last, Current, Next)


open tracking (0)
tracking requests (1)
targeted (0)
fixed (21)


open tracking (1)
tracking requests (3)
targeted (0)
fixed (40)

  • SeaMonkey 2.35 Release Notes (yet to come)
  • Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:
    • Current 38.0-branch releases are subject to Logjam weak-encryption downgrade attack [3] due to security.ssl3.dhe_rsa_aes_128_sha and security.ssl3.dhe_rsa_aes_256_sha being enabled by default
      • bug 1138554 fixed in NSS 3.19.1, uplifted to branches for 39.0+ with bug 1166031, and verified fixed for SM 2.36
      • 2.35 release branch has been established per bug 1179808 to proceed with mozilla-esr38 (THUNDERBIRD_38_VERBRANCH) so it will ship with NSS 3.19.2


  • Stalled. Needs a kick.
    • bug 815954 Click-to-Play: Port bug 812562 (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).
    • bug 476108 GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].
  • Current breakages:
  • Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:
    • Firefox is currently changing styles of several Toolkit pages
      • already affected: config.xul for about:config, bug 1125636
      • Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: bug 1097111 – SeaMonkey tracking in bug 1133743
      • Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles
      • Fallout thus far: bug 1133380 about:privatebrowsing (Default), bug 1133582 about:config (Modern)
      • further work to separate function from style in CSS for about:privatebrowsing in bug 1178008 (3rd-party themes)
    • Our front end Sync UI needs to be updated as the old backend is going away in Gecko/Firefox 31. See: New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly. Tracked in:
      • bug 998807 Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
      • bug 1003434 Add support for about:sync-progress.
      • SeaMonkey won’t be allowed to use the Firefox Sync 1.5 servers. Ewong has set up a FxA 1.5 server and is looking into hosting our own FxAccounts server on a community machine or VPS.
    • A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.
    • bug 566746 (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:
      • bug 912031 Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite.
    • bug 769764 move proxy resolution to separate thread and remove sync api. Tracked in:
      • MailNews bug 791645 Rewrite calls to synchronous nsIProtocolProxyService::DeprecatedBlockingResolve with Async code before DeprecatedBlockingResolve disappears as well.
    • The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.
    • bug 825588 Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and bug 851471 Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:
      • bug 888915 Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. Neil has a WIP patch on hand.
    • Removal of SSL 3.0 support after POODLE Attack with 2.36, see bug 1106470.
      • bug 1137991 has removed SSL 3.0 checkbox from SSL preferences
      • bug 1149581 covers removal of the related strings
      • Firefox has proceeded with the removal in 39.0 given that Chrome goes the same way [4]
    • We’ve picked up he default for security.tls.version.min from Mozilla Core, but security.tls.version.fallback-limit is new. So we need to consider adding the latter to our preferences UI (bug 1123673).
      • Currently unclear whether or not this should be done after bug 1084025 disable insecure TLS version fallback entirely by default [5]
      • alternative proposal is to make whitelist for acceptable fallback sites available in the UI, which seems to make more sense.

Feature List, Planning

With Firefox announcing that XUL/XBL will be removed in the next couple of years probably, what is SM’s long-term plan to be able to maintain its UI? Discuss.

  • was discussed last time and deferred due to the lack of any specific roadmap and insufficient information what exactly is planned.

Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: 30 new, 13 fixed, 19 triaged.

  • Medium triaging effort, average number of new bugs filed.
  • IanN thinks it would be useful to remind people on the newsgroups / forums that they can contribute by triaging. Tonymec will post a reminder to newsgroups / forums. See bug 1092632 (Sm_tri_HowTo) Document how to triage SeaMonkey bugs.
    • The draft is currently at
    • Progress is stalled due to hardware/firmware problems with Tonymec’s current computer. Current ETA for newer computer is after Easter but this is a rough estimate. Anyone with a wikimoz account can edit the page (and is welcome to). — Tonymec (talk) 17:35, 21 January 2015 (PST)

Open reviews/flags:
46 review
5 super-review
5 ui-review
11 feedback

  • See Feature List page for major wanted/needed features.
  • TODO:
    • bug 1127784 proposes to add a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions.

Roundtable – Personal Status Updates

Status Updates from developers – what are you working on, what’s the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).


  • ‘Fixed’:
    • Non-SM bugs that fixes some bustages that affect SM.
      • bug 1177634 – error occurred while processing the following file: access denied to suite/app.mozbuild
      • bug 1181434 – Fix fallout from bug 905127 due to missing headers for mail/ and mailnews/
  • Still working on the loaner: repacks and builds.


  • Usual testing, reviewing and commenting.
  • Fixed:
  • Fixed for c-c:
  • Fixed for m-c:
  • Fixed for m-i:
  • Pending tree opening:
  • Pending approval for check in:
  • Checked in pending review:
  • Waiting for feedback/review/information:
    • bug 1061348 Port |bug 575283 – Cleanup mozconfig files on all platforms| to SeaMonkey
    • bug 1163441 Use FINAL_TARGET_FILES and DIST_FILES for Thunderbird themes
  • Fixing review comments before checkin:
    • bug 757230 When using add button for permissions in Data Manager set a displayHost
    • bug 798147 Switch to correct pref pane if pref window already open
  • Working on:
    • bug 1051642 Allow for flat chrome format when packaging extensions
    • bug 943335 [TB] Update icons used in searchplugins (Yahoo, eBay, Wikipedia, Amazon, Bing, Twitter)
    • Various SM Council documents.
    • bug 606683 Allow customization of toolbar in Composer and MailNews Composition
    • bug 639690 [META] Re-arrange code between editor and editorOverlay
    • bug 773979 [META] Switch to new drag and drop api in SeaMonkey
    • bug 657234 Move pasteQuote and pasteNoFormatting into contentAreaContextOverlay
    • File/Folder selection in windows.
  • To Do:
    • bug 639395 Get cmd_fontSize to reflect current state of selected content / content at caret.
    • Prefs-in-a-tab.
    • Create FAQ for Friends of the Fish Tank.
    • Help get composer standalone builds working with –enable-tests.

Rainer Bielefeld

Blog statistics

Pending from Meeting 2015-07-07

I am going to contact lemon_juice and to discuss with him how to get some progress for folowing bug reports Rrbd (talk) 09:13, 21 July 2015 (PDT)

    • Anything new about bug 1151227 – Add-on Manager discovery pane: add Banner with link to Add-on-converter? Rrbd (talk) 04:09, 7 July 2015 (PDT)
    • Anything new about bug 1145026 – AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane? Rrbd (talk) 04:11, 7 July 2015 (PDT)
  • This Page is more or less the only existing source with information concerning currently discussed issues, project progress and so on. But for people only reading from time to time it is difficult to see what are pending items and what are latest news. We should try to add such info without causing too much more work. Rrbd (talk)
  • The picture at the right shows weekly statistics for German Language SeaMonkey Blog Rrbd (talk)


Worked on SeaMonkey 2.35 Release. Bug triage and necessary preparations.

  • bug 1177041 (SM2.35-Uplift) Bugs / Patches to be uplifted to comm-release for SeaMonkey 2.35 (and dependencies).
  • bug 1185824 (SM2.35-mozilla-esr38-Uplift) Bugs / Patches to be uplifted to mozilla-esr38 relbranch for SeaMonkey 2.35 (and dependencies).
  • Created release branches on comm-release, and mozilla-esr38.

In Progress:

  • bug 507676 Port bug 435804 Remaining rdf cleanup for FilterListDialog| to SeaMonkey.
  • bug 1011857 Implement CustomizableUI for SeaMonkey.
  • bug 1164817 .eml files should be opened in a mail message window and not in a browser window
  • bug 1176602 In message compose make sure that the dictionary stored in spellchecker.dictionary is valid (Adapt Thunderbird bug 1175908).

Has Review:

  • bug 1153577 Users should be able to hide the menubar and show it with the ALT key.
  • bug 1174601 Copy nsDragAndDrop.js from toolkit to SeaMonkey because it will be removed in bug 1162050.
  • bug 1177979 Gtk3 build fail with /usr/bin/ld: hidden symbol `_ZN26nsMessengerUnixIntegrationC1Ev’ isn’t defined.
  • bug 1178459 Run password autofill code when a password field is added to a document outside of a <form> (Port relevant parts of bug 1168707).
  • bug 1183351 Update suite files for GTK3.



  • Packaging updates.
  • Safe Browsing updates.
  • According to John-Galt the reason we have a blank space in the discovery pane of the addons manager is that our carousel is empty. So we can fill it with links to the addon converter etc (we may need admin access). Need to ask Mossop who in Firefox land is responsible for updating their Carousel and what the procedure is.

Other stuff:

  • Did some reviews and approvals.
  • Bug triage and Bug discussions.
  • Usual end user support and PR in newsgroups and Mozillazine.


Still waiting for checkin:

  • bug 1141324 Upgrade the SSL panel in Privacy & Security preferences to refer to TLS {instead,too}.

Still waiting for ui-review or review:

  • bug 1152644 Add UI in Notifications preference pane whether or not to use libnotify for new-mail alerts on Linux.
  • bug 1032302 8BITMIME keyword ignored in EHLO greeting, BODY=8BITMIME absent in MAIL request for 8-bit transfers. (MailNews)

Still waiting for feedback:

  • bug 1127784 [EME] Add a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions. (prefpane part)

Reopened for a minor follow-up fix, awaiting review:

  • bug 1139004 Rename all “Character Encoding” to “Text Encoding” in Help content (Toolkit bug 951695).

May need retargeting:

  • bug 1123673 Consider exposing security.tls.version.fallback-limit in SSL prefpane to accommodate SSL 3.0 legacy sites.

Waiting for dependencies:

  • bug 1149581 Remove SSLv3 strings from SSL panel in Privacy & Security preferences.
    • to be reviewed once bug 1137991 has hit the releases (Firefox 39.0 was shipped with the SSLv3 removal code).
    • per bug 1141394, emk wants to wait until Chrome 44 is released before removing Firefox strings and interfaces.


  • Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.
  • End-user information and discussion on MozillaZine.

Any other business?

SeaMonkey Meeting Details

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