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SeaMonkey Meeting Minutes: 2011-12-13

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SeaMonkey Meeting Details


  • Who’s taking minutes? -> ewong
  • Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank?
    • Callek nominates ewong. Ewong has been helping create the configuration files for our betas for SeaMonkey 2.6 and has agreed to be “trained” to do the release in full… So thanks ewong.
    • ewong and IanN nominates InvisibleSmiley for his contributions to the Add-ons Compatibility Listings.
    • ewong and IanN nominates Mnyromyr for his triaging efforts.
    • Please note A person or entity can’t be nominated twice in a row.

Action Items

(who needs to do what that hasn’t been recorded in a bug) We should assign people to the open items.



  • IanN to write the “Friends of the Fish Tank” F.A.Q.


Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree

  • “Where do we stand with the machine(s) right now?”
    • bug 702490 (Rack 2 – 1U mac mini chassis(4 Mini’s) in SCL2 for SeaMonkey).
      • These won’t be racked until emux can get power situated at SCL2.
  • The SeaMonkey tree is missing the some build boxes.
    • We still need to bring up the linux 32 boxes we had, but its progressing. (had to fight fires with the newly brought up win boxes, but all should be good now)
  • The tree status is currently OPEN and un-METERED.

Release Train

  • Get comm-aurora and comm-beta on MXR (bug 653424).
    • Jake Maul [:jakem] from Server Ops has taken over the bug from Callek.
  • 2.6b3 shipped 9th December.
  • The next six-weekly merge will be on 20th December.
    • Firefox has decided against putting the release of that day on automatic update until after Christmas. Callek is thinking of doing the same for SeaMonkey. (Firefox Mobile will go full-speed as they cannot do otherwise, but with the small population there, the risk is lower).
    • InvisibleSmiley will be AFK for one week starting Christmas. Any website updates during that time will either have to wait or go through Callek/KaiRo.
  • en-GB patches needs review. Check to see if a blanket approval to land. (IanN)
  • 2.6b4 will be out Wednesday (14th December 2011). (Callek)

Extensions Compatibility Tracking

  • Addon Compatibility Listings created and maintained by InvisibleSmiley, with help from some community members like DERoss.
    • The ACR has been updated.
    • Recent changes can be found here.
    • The External Sources part is no longer TODO since InvisibleSmiley bit the bullet and did it all himself.
  • Enigmail provides versions for release (AMO) and all branches (Enigmail nightly page). The current release is compatible with both 2.5 and 2.6.
  • Lightning provides versions for the current stable and beta releases (AMO) and all branches (Calendar Versions page).
  • The latest Firebug is now fully compatible but still not flagged as such on AMO (which seems to depend on automatic tests being set up and run on the Firebug side, see Issue 4430). Use Firebug 1.9 pre-releases for 2.4 and later (maybe even earlier SM versions).
  • Besides the above, we should also take a look at other add-ons that are important for our users when they switch to 2.x.
  • bug 709630 discussion:
    • Something to be done by InvisibleSmiley to close bug.
  • KaiRo created a SeaMonkey Features page and sub-pages for all those that are in development. Please add major features to the respective pages, ideally as they land.

We should also add some information on this to the release notes of future betas.

  • If an extension supports 2.8a1, list it under 2.7 which will be a full release when it comes out – bug 709630 filed.

2.x (Last, Current, Next)

  • 2.5 had ~73,000 ADU by last Thursday and 2.5 has had ~108,800 downloads so far.
    • Of the released versions, as of last Thursday, we have 21.2% on 2.0, 1.1% on 2.1, 3.3% on 2.2, 3.7% on 2.3, 12.9% on 2.4 and 57.8% on 2.5. So, in the last four weeks, ~3k (an additional 3% of ADU) have migrated to 2.4 or above.
  • Figure out what is preventing people from moving from 2.0.x to the latest versions.
    • Perhaps putting resources into getting certain extensions working with SM 2.4 and above.
    • Still need volunteers to look at what is keeping people at below 2.4. IanN could try knocking something up and send it round members lists for polishing but he’s not on all the channels (mozillazine, etc) to post it to when finished.
  • The take up of 2.5 seems slower than for previous releases, again perhaps this is due to the long Thanksgiving weekend in the US.
  • Please make sure that anything that landed on comm-beta (for TB) or mozilla-beta (for FF) which affected non-shared code and which fixed regressions will be fixed on our side, too. Please mark bugs we feel *need* to land on a particular train tracking+ or tracking? so that when we to do a release we can be sure that we don’t miss anything.
    • Priority should be given to fixing regressions ASAP. Also keep an eye on and prioritize bugs to be ported from FF/TB that land on branches (Aurora, Beta). We need to keep an eye especially on Session Restore, Sync, Tabbrowser and Address Book.
    • Be careful not to break code shared with Thunderbird, otherwise patches might have to be backed out of string frozen repositories.


open tracking (1)
tracking requests (0)
targeted (0)
fixed (31)

  • One tracked issue still open. If not resolved or no response by then, Callek plans to morph this into removing |ka| from our [current] automation entirely (all-locales).
  • The New 2.5 Features page has a comprehensive list of features.


  • Remember to help update the New Features pages as we go along.

Feature List, Planning

Bug statistics for last two (full) weeks: 24 new, 15 fixed, 104 triaged.

  • Great triaging effort! 🙂
  • Good further triage targets could come out of looking at the component bug counts, pick yours!

Open reviews/flags:
31 review
13 super-review
0 ui-review
6 feedback

Major wanted/needed features:


  • bug 606683 Allow customization of toolbar in Composer and MailNews Composition [IanN].
    • Progressing slowly, still waiting on reviews from TB side. Full customization has to go to (currently 2.6 but could be pushed back further) as it needs work on TB too which is taking a while to get reviews on, plus feedback from kaze.
    • IanN will need to poke some people about reviews not happening quickly enough.
    • IanN is still wading through the unpicking of Composer/Mail Compose code in the dependent bugs. After that he will be reworking his customising patches.
  • bug 477845 Build a standalone (Comm-central) Composer. [kaze]
    • kaze has done a bit of work in this bug recently. Building on Windows works. Now supports debug builds on Linux if tests are disabled (–disable-tests). Still a lot to do.
    • IanN was supposed to help get builds working with --enable-tests.
      • Will look into this once he gets his customization patches reworked.
  • Real full-screen (bug 610509) and DOM full-screen (bug 701714)
    • patches provided by Mnyromyr and InvisibleSmiley.
  • Port HTML5 “context menu” feature (contextmenu attribute) UI (bug 702019)
    • fixed and available starting with 2.6!
  • bug 702792 – Add-ons not updated in a long time should not be Compatible-by-default. (InvisibleSmiley)

Needing help, Unowned, Stalled

  • Kill-RDF:
    • bug 657607 Port jminta’s kill-rdf to SeaMonkey where applicable Part 2 [meta].
    • bug 657604 Remove the RDF global object. [serge]
  • bug 436794 Enable Mac OS X system address book per default and add UI.
    • SM UI needed, unowned, helpwanted.
  • bug 449728 Drag tabs between windows.
  • bug 477840 Backport KompoZer to Composer (Depends on bug 477845).
    • kaze has done a ton of work there. We still need to work out some organizational issues. At the moment there is no active interest from MoMo for bringing standalone composer into comm-central. That’s something we (KaiRo and kaze) will have to negotiate with the Thunderbird team (Standard8).
  • bug 507841 Port Bug 422814 – Make account configuration quick, easy, and more secure (autoconfig, Quick Account Setup).
  • bug 533908 SeaMonkey Mail: tabs not restored [misak].
  • bug 523274 Complete new default theme icon set.
  • bug 526210 Update the icon set for the SeaMonkey Modern Theme.
    • bug 548778 New communicator icons (based on Strata theme) for SeaMonkey. Some proposed icons got posted, we should take a look how to get that contribution into the product.
    • The rest is unowned so far.
  • bug 87098 [SeaMonkey] Delete key should delete location bar history list entry.
    • Note: Our location bar history doesn’t and can’t use autocomplete at all.
  • bug 677484 Individual SeaMonkey components are not properly handled by the Windows 7 taskbar.
  • bug 654009 Reply to list: automatically determine From: address
    • Note: The actual task here is to port bug 45715 “Reply to List” [button/(context) menu item]
  • bug 664309 Make the built-in ChatZilla display a cZ icon in SeaMonkey (now helpwanted)

Roundtable – Personal Status Updates

Status Updates from developers – what are you working on, what’s the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).




Completed Release Engineering tasks:

  • bug 689437 Drop support for migrating from old profiles (drop usages of libreg).
    • bug 703876 (SM2.6b1) Tracking bug for build and release of SeaMonkey 2.6 Beta 1.
    • bug 704814 (SM2.6b2) Tracking bug for build and release of SeaMonkey 2.6 Beta 2.
    • bug 708513 (SM2.6b3) Tracking bug for build and release of SeaMonkey 2.6 Beta 3.

Working on:

  • bug 591848 SeaMonkey linux and Windows machines need device support for sound enabled.
  • bug 702337 Stop uploading try symbols to symbol server, upload full symbol package to ftp.

Investigating OS/2 packaging issue in:

  • bug 705821 Seamonkey fails to update DOM Inspector.


  • Has commit privileges now and already landed several patches.
  • Assisted Callek with Release Engineering:
    • bug 703876 (SM2.6b1) Tracking bug for build and release of SeaMonkey 2.6 Beta 1.
    • bug 704814 (SM2.6b2) Tracking bug for build and release of SeaMonkey 2.6 Beta 2.
    • bug 708513 (SM2.6b3) Tracking bug for build and release of SeaMonkey 2.6 Beta 3.
  • Fixed:
    • bug 78357 Account wizard doesn’t have place to enter port info.
    • bug 102275 Number untitled pages.
    • bug 612031 follow-up to removal of region.dtd (Sunbird).
    • bug 670561 show profile path in profile manager.
    • bug 701683 Port |bug 698248 Remove FORCE_USE_PIC| to SeaMonkey
    • bug 702297 Recently Closed Tabs/Windows in the Go menu are no longer disabled when empty.
  • Needs Review/Feedback:
    • bug 562048 notification bar needs to look slicker (Thunderbird).
  • Working On:
    • bug 675431 Duplicate accesskey in Messenger’s Tools menu.
    • bug 675589 Group all session restore menu items together.


  • Usual testing, reviewing and commenting.
  • Fixed:
  • Waiting for review on:
    • bug 638643 Remove obsolete EditorToggleParagraphMarks from editor.js
    • bug 702013 Update en-GB for Firefox 9.0/Thunderbird 9.0/SeaMonkey 2.6 (9 patches)
    • bug 702098 Update en-GB for Firefox 10.0/Thunderbird 10.0/SeaMonkey 2.7 (9 patches)
  • Waiting for additional review on:
  • Reviewed and waiting for feedback from mobile peer:
    • bug 689253 Update en-GB for Mobile 10.0 (comm-aurora)
  • Working on:
    • bug 695842 Move Editor startup/shutdown functions to editingOverlay
    • bug 606683 Allow customization of toolbar in Composer and MailNews Composition
    • bug 639690 [META] Re-arrange code between editor and editorOverlay
    • bug 657234 Move pasteQuote and pasteNoFormatting into contentAreaContextOverlay
    • File/Folder selection in windows.
  • To Do:
    • bug 639395 Get cmd_fontSize to reflect current state of selected content / content at caret.
    • Prefs-in-a-tab.


  • Fixed:
    • bug 708972 Update SeaMonkey website for 2.6 Beta 3 release
    • bug 706923 Update SeaMonkey website for 2.6 Beta 2 release
    • bug 706293 version typo in SeaMonkey 2.6b1 release notes
  • Working On:
    • bug 700184 Add mozapps/extensions/selectAddons.css to Modern
    • bug 707225 Addon update check should take into account compatibility preferences
    • bug 701714 Add support for DOM full-screen
    • look into bug 698038 Update Preferences help for the new section to control crash report
    • track bug 687316 (Remaining) Sync changes to port to Suite


  • Created linux64 update snippets for SeaMonkey 2.5 (bug 706718).
  • I did split up my Firefox search UI cleanup patches (backports from SeaMonkey work/reviews) into logical parts (bug 643172), and put the engine manager cleanup in its own bug, also split apart into smaller patches (bug 709589).
  • Did the rest of the porting of Firefox 9 changes to my LCARStrek theme, so both EarlyBlue and LCARStrek 2.6 are basically done and only need some testing before I can send them to AMO.
  • Tested OpenGL layers and reported its problems (bug 707722).



  • bug 705141 Fix silly typos in SuiteBrowser.manifest.

Working on:

  • bug 688615 Wrong reg key used in Installer shell icon handler code (Firefox).



Working on:

  • bug 356742 [cocoa] Sheets are offscreen if opened when all windows closed (attached to hiddenwindow),
  • bug 539738 Tree width of Preferences window has been hardcoded (need category splitter).
  • bug 127399 Allow sending emails with IDN based email addresses.
  • bug 610509 Make fullscreen mode really fullscreen.




  • bug 667962 jemalloc in 2010 doesn’t work on gmake.
  • bug 703522 Simplify focus-restoring code.
  • bug 705553 Make mailnews/addrbook compile with frozen linkage on Windows.
  • bug 705573 Make mailnews compile with frozen linkage on debug Windows.

Working on:

  • bug 669026 Scrolling with arrow keys is broken if any element on the page has contenteditable=true. (Editor)
  • bug 692731 Fork nsISidebar.
  • bug 698217 Simplify new static Preference methods (Core).
  • bug 698256 Want Substring(data, length) convenience method (Core).
  • bug 707305 Re-enable building with --enable-incomplete-external-linkage (MailNews Core).



  • bug 701428 Include hyphenation dictionaries in omnijar – remove old files from builds on update.
  • bug 706421 Implement Application.platformIsMac in order to support Lightning bug 316916.
  • bug 708640 Should be able to open a new tab by middle-clicking the “Go” button.

Working on:

  • bug 485686 Page Info does not display any information about video stream from video tag.
  • bug 705452 BrowserSearch.loadSearch() uses the current search engine if the search sidebar is selected even if the sidebar itself is hidden.

Waiting for review/feedback:

  • bug 701432 Add support for fave icons on jump list uri entries.
  • bug 703836 MsgComposeCommands.js Code cleanup: Use Services more, reuse code, and remove commented dumps.


  • Bug triage and Bug discussions.
  • End user support and PR in newsgroups and Mozillazine.



  • Fixed (or in-progress) SeaMonkey (related) bugs:
    • bug 523573 Unused entities in pageInfo.dtd
    • bug 686278 Drop –disable-mailnews
    • bug 694371 [c-c] “Warning: package error or possible missing or unnecessary file:” : 4 “VC80” files
  • Fixed MailNews Core bugs:
    • bug 694464 c-c port bug 464088 and bug 690369. (NSS_DISABLE_DBM)
    • bug 707021 Support MSVC 2011 compiler in comm-central. (Port bug 687225)
  • Fixed (or in-progress) Core bugs:
    • bug 705957 test_bug_511615.html: correct the spelling of “privledged”
  • Fixed other projects bugs:
    • [Thunderbird] bug 442838 Unfork <msgCompSecurityInfo.xul>



Working on bug 677667 [Mac default] Make use of the new nsNativeTheme toolbarbutton styling in DM and PageInfo.


Any other business?

  • Need to review project areas
    • IanN has put out a final draft of the project areas list, and will then confirm that anyone who is not in the loop already has been consulted.
      • There are two items that need answering still in the areas. IanN will remind people about what still needs answering.
    • in the end, we also need to update the Mozilla-wide list of official reviewers
  • Extended Support Releases (ESR)
    • At the moment looks like that will be based off Gecko 10 so that will be 2.7 for us. Assuming we have the machines, we will also have an ESR which might help move some of those still on 2.0 up to 2.7.
    • Our ESR should use the same branch as Firefox ESR so any Security and Stability “extended” fixes for Gecko will be picked up by the SeaMonkey ESR.
    • An ESR (Extended Security Release) may not be a given for us out of the gate. Callek thinks we should revisit that, separately, once it is clearer what MoCo’s general plans for their marketing/target/support levels etc. are.
    • mcsmurf is on the ESR mailing list and has volunteered to be our ESR goto guy.
  • Geolocation
    • Geolocation now works out of the box. MoCo turned it on by default for all applications that build off mozilla-central.
    • For comm-beta all we need to do is (bug 494421) to add pref("geo.wifi.uri", ""); to browser-prefs.js. However we’re not even sure we are legally allowed to ship with the URL in, we might need to actually put in a pref to disable that in newer builds.
  • Christmas
    • The meeting scheduled for 27th December has been cancelled. The next one will be 10th January 2012. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year everyone! 🙂

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