Agenda

• Who’s taking minutes? -> Ratty
• Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
  • No nominees this time

Action Items

(who needs to do what that hasn’t been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

NEW

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OPEN

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CLOSED

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Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree

• Notes:
  • Callek: Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I’m hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I’m realistic expecting it won’t be until january at earliest.
  • Ewong will set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine.
    • The loaner machine was decommissioned without notice.
    • Got a new loaner.
  • Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as bug 1092468 and bug 1108970. Migrating our Windows builders to Win2008 and our compiler toolchain to VS2013 would likely solve this and other bustages.
  • There are also some upcoming changes to L10n build system in Q1 2015 (bug 1107635).
  • Even en-US builds have stopped again. The latest trunk nightlies were 2.43a1 dated 9-Jan-2016 for L32 & L64, 6-Jan-2016 for Mac, and 2.42a1 dated 11-Nov-2015 for W32. No 2.44a1 yet, to parallel Firefox 47.0a1 which is being published every night (or every day depending on your timezone).
  • bug 1083689 Langpacks aren’t updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren’t uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).
  • For various reasons we don’t have a working SeaMonkey Treeherder.
  • wrt bug 1155011, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on bug 1155013 require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.
• [2nd February 2016]
  • [Tonymec] Building has stopped since 9 January. No tinderbox builds either. [frg] c-c would be clear to me. c-a pulls the wrong Chatzilla and Inspector again. Not sure if this is the cause. See bug 1167346. [IanN] ewong|away has mentioned looking at Jenkins.
• [19th January 2016]
  • [comm-central]
    • All platforms red because of bug 1238428
    • frg is having trouble building non en-US debugQA (bug 1238767).
• [8th December 2015]
• No Update. Ewong is hospitalized. Get well soon!
• Excluding Windows, the tree is green for most part. We’re down one osx64 slave.
• Re: Tests. Still broken.
  • Currently bug 1209378 is in progress to fix the perma-brokeness of our testing infrastructure; but it is ‘hard’.

• See RelEng page for the RelEng status history.

Release Train

• SeaMonkey 2.39 was released November 8th, 2015.
• SeaMonkey 2.40 final (tracking bug 1233615) is in progress:
  • en-US build #4 are up for all platforms
  • localized builds are up for Linux and Mac OSX
  • new Windows loaner having issues with l10n builds
• Merges were performed January 25th as scheduled.
• Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: Releases Scheduling

Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking

• See Basics page. Please only list current changes here.
• Addon Compatibility Listings
• Lightning betas are up for both 2.40 and 2.41.
• We are looking for a new place to host the Addon Compatibility Listings for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in this post.
• Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/
  This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf – it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there’s only so much an automated tool like that can do.
  • Lemon Juice continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [1].
  • looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [2], bug 1145026.
  • Rainer Bielefeld will no longer update the list of Firefox addons that have been successfully converted by the Addon Converter. — Rrbd (talk) 09:59, 16 August 2015 (PDT)
  • Ratty filed bug 1130390 to add a link on seamonkey-projects.org to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.
  • The AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, seems mature. (It had 9 successive revisions between 27 September and 3 October, and no change since then.) It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a “built-in extension” besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane; the extension actually does much more than the bug’s Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid “You need Firefox 10 or later” popups.
• The Thunderbird team is now shipping Lightning with Thunderbird. IanN will work on shipping lightning too. Related bugs:
  • bug 516026 Integrate Lightning Into SeaMonkey by Default and Ship SeaMonkey with Lightning Enabled
  • bug 1130854 Package Lightning with Thunderbird for c-c and c-a builds.
  • bug 1113183 Integrate Lightning Into Thunderbird by Default.
  • bug 1130852 Add opt-in dialog to promote Calendar integration [Thunderbird].
• Ratty has the Firefox Devtools up and running. We can now use the Firefox Devtools debugger in both remote and local mode.
  • Venkman is now totally retired R.I.P..

2.x (Last, Current, Next)

• SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at https://dataviz.mozilla.org Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.
  • Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on seamonkey-projects.org or https://dev.seamonkey.at
  • bug 1133728 Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.
  • Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption bug 1173006.
• See Basics page for the usual reminders.

2.40

open tracking (0)
tracking requests (6)
targeted (0)
fixed (15)

• SeaMonkey 2.40 Release Notes

2.Next

• We have official permission to use the Firefox FxA 2.0 sync servers! We need someone to work on porting sync 2.0 over to replace legacy sync code. The finer details of how are so far unknown, but we should have a usable solution before legacy sync is turned off. See: New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly. Tracked in:
  • bug 998807 Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
  • bug 1003434 Add support for about:sync-progress.
• Stalled. Needs a kick.
  • bug 815954 Click-to-Play: Port bug 812562 (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).
  • bug 476108 GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].
• Current breakages:
  • bug 1243760 Replace nsPIDOMWindow with nsPIDOMWindowInner/Outer in comm-central due to bug 1241764.
  • bug 1244758 Rename nsAutoTArray to AutoTArray in Mailnews due to bug 1235261 (bustage fix).
  • bug 1209875 did break any builds of 2.41+ containing a localized ChatZilla – bug 1213641 filled
  • No en-US trunk builds later than 30 November yet (or even 11 November on win32). Aurora is currently building on Linux (L32 / L64) only.
• Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:
  • Changes to Safe Browsing.
  • Firefox is currently changing styles of several Toolkit pages
    • already affected: config.xul for about:config, bug 1125636
    • Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: bug 1097111 – SeaMonkey tracking in bug 1133743
    • Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles
    • Fallout thus far: bug 1133582 about:config (Modern)
    • Ratty restored about:privatebrowsing UI to before it was messed up by Project Chameleon styles [bug 1192276]. Subsequent to Chameleon, Firefox developers have again redesigned the about:privatebrowsing UI to include UI for tracking protection. We should look into picking any changes we like.
    • mozilla-central bug 1189918 and bug 1190465 allow to fork Toolkit style pages for the classic/default/modern theme without harming theme developers. SeaMonkey bug 1022354 will move theme overrides to the theme manifests.
      • affected pages that should be reverted are about:config [bug 1222816], about:addons [bug 1222817], about:support [bug 1222818] (look ok in Modern but hurt in the Default theme).
  • A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.
  • bug 566746 (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:
    • bug 912031 Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite.
  • The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.
  • bug 825588 Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and bug 851471 Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:
    • bug 888915 Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. Neil has a WIP patch on hand.
  • We’ve picked up he default for security.tls.version.min from Mozilla Core, but security.tls.version.fallback-limit is new. So we need to consider adding the latter to our preferences UI (bug 1123673).
    • Currently unclear whether or not this should be done after bug 1084025 disable insecure TLS version fallback entirely by default [3]
    • alternative proposal is to make whitelist for acceptable fallback sites available in the UI, which seems to make more sense.
• bug 1198340 The carousel within Add-On Manager can be used for SeaMonkey specific content. TO DO: Find out what sort of format AMO needs for the carousel. Get our webdev person to create necessary content. Submit content for upload to AMO.
  • Unfortunately nobody knows exactly how addons.mozilla.works because there’s no full time developer working on AMO. Ratty was given bug 1009759 as an example. So now we need someone who knows python+django.
  • About specific aspects of this problem, see: bug 1230796, bug 1230804, bug 1230806 and maybe more.
  • [Ratty] The url for the discovery pane is set in a pref. Instantbird points the URL to a chrome XUL document. If we do this we don’t have to worry about the python stuff.

Feature List, Planning

Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: 20 new, 7 fixed, 12 triaged.

• low-medium triaging effort, low number of new bugs filed.
• Ratty has a SeaMonkey build with a working Firefox Devtools!!!! Relevant patches:
  • bug 1208112 Package DevTools client in SeaMonkey now that it’s been moved out of /browser/ [checked-in].
  • bug 1223338 Add DevTools client L10N language files to SeaMonkey builds [checked-in].
  • bug 1223341 Add the Firefox Devtools to the SeaMonkey UI. Waiting for review.
  • bug 1223344 Some tweaks to gDevTools.jsm to get Devtools working in SeaMonkey [Devtools]. Waiting for review.
  • Not working yet: WebIDE and Responsive Design. But everything else seems to work.
• Mozilla wants to separate Firefox and Thunderbird, in infrastructure and organizationally, which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well
  • discussions in mozilla.governance, mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey, tb-planning, blog.lizardwrangler.com
  • unclear at this time what “separating the infrastructure” means
  • likely goes hand-in-hand with planned reduction of key features and future deprecation of the Gecko rendering engine
• Fundamental core features Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:
  • bug 1222546 Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
    • if effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes disfunct
    • no sufficiently plausible specifics provided ‘why’ full themes ‘must’ no longer be supported
      • no clear statements by the Firefox drivers, bug has been restricted for comments since
      • discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/
        • see bsmedberg’s post #14, targeted for Gecko 49 (April 2016).
    • may prohibit Modern theme being shipped with or installed in SeaMonkey
    • removal is “decided” without any clear alternative envisioned
  • The toolkit help viewer is going away. Neil is working on resuscitating the old XPFE help viewer which apparently has more features.
• IanN thinks it would be useful to remind people on the newsgroups / forums that they can contribute by triaging. Tonymec will post a reminder to newsgroups / forums. See bug 1092632 (Sm_tri_HowTo) Document how to triage SeaMonkey bugs.
  • The HowTo page has been moved to SeaMonkey/QA/Triage HowTo. No one having objected (or even reacted), bug 1092632 is now RESOLVED FIXED. See its comment #18 for the announcement URLs.

Open reviews/flags:
64 review
6 super-review
1 ui-review
12 feedback

• See Feature List page for major wanted/needed features.
• TODO:
  • Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
    • bug 1127784 added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
    • more work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox

• What about declaring linux-x86_64 builds found at seamonkey-project.org and at ftp.m.o as “official” ?

On October 7 two people asked in #seamonkey at a few minutes’ interval when there would be “official” 64-bit SM builds for Linux. I pointed them to the x86_64 release at the bottom of the “Other languages” release page for 2.38 and to the x86_64 2.40a2 aurora & 2.41a1 trunk builds at the bottom of the ftp.m.o nightly/latest-comm-* pages but they said these were not “official”.

So — how are we going to get out of the following vicious circle? 64-bit builds are not “official” because too few users, and users don’t install them (some even prefer compiling their own) because they aren’t “official”.

Maybe change the online documentation? (perhaps as part of bug 1208822 “System Requirements page needs update”?)

— Tonymec (talk) 13:56, 7 October 2015 (PDT)

• [ewong:] what’s the prerequisites of making the Linux64 builds ‘official’ aside for the issue of getting the tests done for Linux64; but our testing infrastructure is busted. bug 1209378

— Discussion on locale translations for DOMi and Chatzilla —

• [frg] Localized Chatzilla builds currently break suite compile starting with 2.41. See bug 1229810 Port bug 1228444 and bug 1228467 to Chatzilla.
• [IanN] The tagging has fixed the issue for chatzilla before 2.41 but more is needed for 2.41 and above?
• [frg] Yes. The optional language xpi will not compile in 2.41 and is broken in 2.42 and up. install.rdf missing. The main xpi is fine.
• [IanN] Can you spin a bug off with the steps to generate the optional language xpi for 2.41 along with any errors, similarly another one for 2.42 and up. If it ends up being the same fix, not a problem, bugs are cheap. just cc me.
• [IanN] Ratty: do we need to start looking at how to overlay Chatzilla and DOMi on top of the TB’s new merged (c-c + m-c) repository?
• [Ratty] Not sure. I hope we can continue doing what we have been doing using nested repositories. However in the new merged repository. The comm-central client.py is replaced by the mozilla-central client.py so I don’t know how this will work.
• [IanN] Merging DOMi into comm-central would make SeaMonkey releases easier. We just need to sort out locale building for DOMi.

Roundtable – Personal Status Updates

Status Updates from developers – what are you working on, what’s the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).

frg

Waiting for review:

• bug 1188348 data manager: domains invisible for Permissions, Preferences, Passwords. New version 6 patch just built.
• bug 1200263 Help → Report Web Forgery … does nothing.
• bug 1240284 Linker Warnings LNK4222 and LNK4017 when building Suite. Still need to build the upstream sdk patch.

Working on:

• bug 1055954 popup exceptions are not added. I first thought about closing it as a duplicate of the Data Manager bug but the menu in Navigator is just bad. Will change it so that it resembles the cookie and image menu and not transfer control to Data Manager. WIP patch still needs some work but looks fine.

Tidbits:

Chatzilla seems to have a bad day lately. I still need private patches for 2 bugs to build l10n 2.41 and up:

• bug 1240304 Old maximum version numbers in Chatzilla rdf files
• bug 1210791 Get rid of XULPPFLAGS in Chatzilla

And the official builds miss the language pack:

• bug 1244467 Localized Builds: Chatzilla language pack missing from Seamonkey installer package

And comm-aurora picks the wrong Chatzilla branch again. Didn’t file a bug yet.

On the backburner. Didn’t have much time to check

• bug 1238767 Localized Suite build fails in DebugQA

Other things on my mind:

• enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc –enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2013 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier.

IanN

• Usual localising, testing, reviewing, commenting and approving.
• Fixed:
• Fixed for c-c:
  • bug 1235866 Port |bug 1235676 – Add a topobjdir variable to all Makefiles| to c-c (TB, IM and Cal Parts)
• Fixed for m-c:
• Fixed for m-i/fx-i:
• Pending tree opening:
• Pending approval for check in:
• Pending checkin for dependent bugs:
  • bug 653386 Consider overriding netErrorApp.dtd rather than netError.dtd
• Checked in pending review:
• Waiting for feedback/review/information:
  • bug 1061348 Port |bug 575283 – Cleanup mozconfig files on all platforms| to SeaMonkey
  • bug 1163441 Use FINAL_TARGET_FILES and DIST_FILES for Thunderbird themes
• Fixing review comments before checkin:
  • bug 757230 When using add button for permissions in Data Manager set a displayHost
  • bug 798147 Switch to correct pref pane if pref window already open
• Working on:
  • bug 1243064 Update en-GB for Gecko 44
  • bug 1101381 Printing throws error: DEPRECATION WARNING: getWebBrowserPrint is now deprecated, and fully unsupported for multi-process browsers. Please use a frame script to get access to nsIWebBrowserPrint from content
  • bug 1190179 Port |bug 1067325 – Add an option to view html source in a tab| to SeaMonkey
  • bug 1051642 Allow for flat chrome format when packaging extensions
  • bug 943335 [TB] Update icons used in searchplugins (Yahoo, eBay, Wikipedia, Amazon, Bing, Twitter)
  • Various SM Council documents.
  • bug 606683 Allow customization of toolbar in Composer and MailNews Composition
  • bug 639690 [META] Re-arrange code between editor and editorOverlay
  • bug 773979 [META] Switch to new drag and drop api in SeaMonkey
  • bug 657234 Move pasteQuote and pasteNoFormatting into contentAreaContextOverlay
  • File/Folder selection in windows.
• To Do:
  • bug 639395 Get cmd_fontSize to reflect current state of selected content / content at caret.
  • Prefs-in-a-tab.
  • Create FAQ for Friends of the Fish Tank.
  • Help get composer standalone builds working with –enable-tests.

Rainer Bielefeld

currently working on

• Make more dictionaries available for SeaMonkey
• Bug reporting and confirmation as usual

ToDo (postponed from meeting 2016-01-19

• Improve Mentoring for new developer volunteers

I get requests of interested (but inexperienced) developers to help, but I hesitate to encourage them because most new developers will need intensive help for 5 (or so) first bugs until they become able to work independently. Unfortunatley we do not have proved and well known infrastructure for that like Newbies discussion forum (where they can help each other) and similar. So we lost Batchu Venkat Vishal, Tom Zhang, ytrackm-sannysm@yahoo.com (never started activity) and others. Any Ideas how to interest possible new developers in continuous and persevering contiibution to SeaMonkey?

• Donating and so on: Current situation very unsatisfying due to unresolved
  • bug 1165707 – Publish information concerning SeaMonkey e.V.
  • bug 1197554 – Balance sheet (statement of accounts) for donations should be published
  • bug 1191707 – Download: redirect users to detour via Donate / Contribute Request web page

this should be discussed on IRC, I hope I will be able to participate

Other discussion items

• Progress bundling lomon_juice’s add-on-browser? I think that is really important!
• After general fix for bug 1153577 – Users should be able to hide the menubar and show it with the ALT key some non-WIN-OS related issues, what might become annoying when we get 2.40 builds

Ratty

Fixed:

• Naught.

Working on comm-central bustage fixes:

• bug 1243760 Replace nsPIDOMWindow with nsPIDOMWindowInner/Outer in C-C due to bug 1241764.
  • Plus contributions from JorgK et al.
• bug 1244758 Rename nsAutoTArray to AutoTArray (Port mozilla-central bug 1235261)

In Progress:

• bug 1223341 Add the Firefox Devtools to the SeaMonkey UI.
• bug 1235805 Rollup patch: Add preload content policy types for images (bug 1048048) Use the loading document’s principal to populate loadInfo for Favicons instead of using systemPrincipal (bug 1119386) nsITaskbarPreview::Invalidate no longer throws when not visible.
• bug 1222816 Restore about:config UI (Config Editor) to old appearance by overriding Toolkit’s Project Chameleon styles.
• bug 1238428 Workaround the NS_APP_PROFILE_DEFAULTS_{NLOC_,}50_DIR directory keys removed in bug 1234012.
• bug 1239707 Switch to use in-tree version of compare-locales (SeaMonkey Part).

TODO:

• Fix Thunderbird defaut theme overrides.
• Front end changes needed for bug 1042699 Block cross-origin add-on install requests.
• bug 1011857 Implement CustomizableUI shim for SeaMonkey.
• bug 1174466 Popup blocker: Need to allow popups opened by loaded javascript: URIs from the location bar. Regression from bug 896947.
• bug 1224907 Bookmarks Manager Search box is missing in SeaMonkey 2.3.9.
• bug 1236982 Simplify SeaMonkey CSS for Lightning toolbar buttons.

Needs Investigating:

• bug 1240304 Old maximum version numbers in Chatzilla rdf files.
• bug 1229810 Port bug 1228444 and bug 1228467 to Chatzilla.

Other stuff:

• Did some reviews and approvals.
• Bug triage and Bug discussions.
• Usual end user support and PR in newsgroups and Mozillazine.

rsx11m

Landed on comm-central and comm-aurora:

• bug 1237835 Document IMAP IDLE setting which bug 449021 moved to main account settings screen.

Filed for for 2.42.x if continued on 45 ESR:

• bug 1240738 Bugs with l10n changes that need uplifting to 2.42.x in case we build from 45.x ESR repositories. (meta)
  • ref. bug 1229270 Provide UI in Send Format pane for new mailnews.sendformat.auto_downgrade preference.

May need retargeting:

• bug 1123673 Consider exposing security.tls.version.fallback-limit in SSL prefpane to accommodate SSL 3.0 legacy sites.

Other:

• Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.
• Closed remaining 2.35 and 2.38 tracking bugs along with pending but obsolete post-landing review requests.
• End-user information and discussion on MozillaZine.

tonymec

• QA: business as usual
• ASSIGNED
  • Bug 1240894 – the new tab button in mailnews is set to display:none unless the close button is at the end
    • has patch, r?=Ratty
  • Bug 1242188 – Sidebar Panel Name heading text of narrow sidebar exceeds right border of sidebar
    • has patch, r?=Ratty

Any other business?

Donations to SeaMonkey:

• [Rainer_Bielefeld]If there still is a little time remaining: I have a question concerning SeaMonkey donation status. Do we get money? if yes, how much? used for what? Currently all that is not very transparent.
• [Ratty]The eV gets the money.
• [frg]Second that. Would like to donate again but not sure where the money goes hoch much and what they do with it. Intransparent unfortunately
• [Ratty]mcsmurf did promise to provide an accounting. Rainer_Bielefeld: maybe you can remind him?
• [Rainer_Bielefeld]I know. but: bug 1165707 Publish information concerning SeaMonkey e.V. ? It looks as if that ev does not really exist :-/
• [Ratty]You two live in Germany. Could try holding mcsmurf’s feet over a fire?
• [IanN]I will remind mcsmurf on that
• [tonymec]das Gelt geht zur eV, aber wo geht es daraus hin?
• [Rainer_Bielefeld]I think we need some public relations: Thanks to donators, …
  • Yes, I will contact mcsmurf.
• [frg]Yes. To do the job is great but to promote it is neccessary or we will go down anyway.
• [Rainer_Bielefeld]And publish results in the blog
  • Anything new concerning Progress bundling lomon_juice’s add-on-browser? I think that is really important, ofr me that add-on is great help
• [frg]Rainer_Bielefeld: If the others think I am already on par for simple thingsa I can help other developers.
• —

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SeaMonkey Meeting Details

• Time: 2 February, 2016, 13:00 UTC
  • (8am Eastern, 1pm UK, 2pm Central Europe, 9pm Hong Kong)
• Location: #seamonkey IRC channel
• Further Read: Basics