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Thunderbird meeting notes 2015-05-05. NOON PT (Pacific). Check https://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird/StatusMeetings for meeting time conversion, previous meeting notes and call-in details

Attendees

aceman, aleth, Jorg K, merike, rkent, roland, wsmwk, MakeMyDay, rolandtanglao

Action items from last meetings

• (done) wsmwk to pat glandium
• (done) wsmwk to email hiro’s bug list to tb-planning
• (done) rkent to review tracking list http://mzl.la/1EOx9Tm

Critical Issues

Critical bugs. Leave these here until they’re confirmed fixed. If confirmed, then remove.

• AMO compatibility bump! (is not going to happen)
• In general, the tracking-tb38 flag shows what are critical issues. In the next week or so, that list will be culled to only include true blockers for the Thunderbird 38 release. There will still be many.
• maildir UI: nothing more to do for UI, still want to land a patch for letting IMAP set this.
• gloda IM search regressions: mostly fixed, some db cleanup necessary for users of TB33+
  • aleth landed a fix to stop duplicated entries from appearing, nhnt11 patch to clean up the databases of Aurora/Beta/Daily has landed and is awaiting uplift

removing from critical list/fixed:

• We need to decide on how to do release branching. I am uncertain whether Lightning integration requires this or not.
  • –> We’ve created THUNDERBIRD_38_VERBRANCH on mozilla-release
• Lightning integration (below) really REALLY critical that we get this finished.
  • –> Patches landed, testing beta 2015-04-30

Releases

• Past
  • 31.6.0 shipped
  • 38.0b3 shipped 2015-04-26 Sunday
  • 38.0b4 shipped 2015-05-03 Sunday

• Upcoming
  • 38.0b5 (build Fri 5/8? when?)
  • 38.0b6?
  • 38.0 on May 26?
  • 31.7.0 2015-05-12+ Tues+

Lightning to Thunderbird Integration

See https://calendar.etherpad.mozilla.org/thunderbird-integration

• As underpass has pointed out repeatedly (thanks for your patience!) , we need to rewrite / heavily modify the lightning articles on support.mozilla.org. let me know irc: rolandtanglao on #tb-support-crew or rtanglao AT mozilla.com OR simply start editing the articles

• We need to fill the “Learn More” page with content, possibly point it to something more specific bug 1159682
• Opt-out dialog: change “disable” to “remove” bug 1159698
• tracking bug for lightning 4.0 bug 1153752

Round Table

wsmwk

• Thunderbird Events calendar created – send me your events to be added/corrections
  • xml https://www.google.com/calendar/feeds/mozilla.com_707562313030%40resource.calendar.google.com/public/basic
  • ical https://www.google.com/calendar/ical/mozilla.com_707562313030%40resource.calendar.google.com/public/basic.ics (For google calendar, on the google web page pick “Other Calendars”, “Add by URL”, paste in the ical link – enable email or sms reminders if you wish in Settings | Calendar)
  • html https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=mozilla.com_707562313030%40resource.calendar.google.com

Jorg K

• Mail composition/spelling: bug 967494, bug 717292 (inline spell dictionary inconsistent), waiting for review by M Conley.
• Editor losing style after image paste: bug 1140617
• bug 1141446 – JSMIME regression, still awaiting final review
• Today looked at “double Trash” issue 1156669

rkent

• rail in releng seems to believe that we cannot overlap tb 31 and tb 38 and claims that was the previous practice, but Standard8 does not remember this the same way. At the moment I have been told that we cannot start building on the esr38 repo without disabling builds on esr31. This is still a developing story … until resolved I think we need to keep using comm-beta for TB 38 betas.
• we have a backlog of jsmime issues, jcranmer has been quite tied up with real life. Several of us have been trying to fix these, but we need reviews.
• Let’s review the critical tracking-38 bugs (29 at last count) http://mzl.la/1EOx9Tm

mkmelin

• reviews
• thunderbird hotfix support – bug 914225 ready to land

Question Time

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aleth

Some testing/verification that chat logs are now being properly and completely indexed by gloda would be helpful, cf bug 1146698 (landed on c-c, a possible candidate for uplift).

Support team

• Roland owes sumo kb article links for release notes. Hope to have stub articles ready today

Other

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Thunderbird meeting notes 2015-04-21. NOON PT (Pacific). Check https://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird/StatusMeetings for meeting time conversion, previous meeting notes and call-in details

Attendees

ATTENDEES – put your nick 1. below 2. in comments unless explicit under round table 3. top right of etherpad next to your color

mkmelin, rolandt, pegasus, makemyday jorgk, rkent, gneandr, aceman, merike, Paenglab, wsmwk

Action items from last meetings

• (rkent, Fallen) AMO addon compat: TheOne said that this late it is probably not worth doing at all. WIth so many other things for me to do, that sounds like a plan.

Friends of the tree

• glandium, for fixing the various packager bugs that will help package Lightning (nominated by Fallen, who won’t be at the meeting)

Critical Issues

Critical bugs. Leave these here until they’re confirmed fixed. If confirmed, then remove.

• (rkent) I am enormously frustrated by the inability to get two critical features landed in tb 38: OAuth and Lightning integration. Can we please give this very high priority?
  • OAuth integration: partial landing for beta 2, really REALLY critical that we get this finished.
• In general, the tracking-tb38 flag shows what are critical issues. In the next week or so, that list will be culled to only include true blockers for the Thunderbird 38 release. There will still be many.
• I don’t think we have a reasonable chance of shipping a quality release on May 12. More realistic is June 2.
• We need to decide on how to do release branching. I am uncertain whether Lightning integration requires this or not.
• Auto-complete improvements – some could go into esr31 (bug 1042561 included in TB38)
• Lightning integration (below) really REALLY critical that we get this finished.
• maildir UI: nothing more to do for UI, still want to land a patch for letting IMAP set this.
• gloda IM search regressions: mostly fixed, some db cleanup necessary for users of TB33+ that nhnt11 will hopefully have ready to land soon.
  • aleth landed a fix to stop duplicated entries from appearing, nhnt11 will take care of the cleaning up the databases of Aurora/Beta/Daily users this weekend and keep us updated
• bug 1140884, might need late-l10n

removing from critical list/fixed:

• ldap crash bug 1063829: a patch in beta 37, beta results are unclear – not seen in 38
• bug 1064230 crashes during LDAP search made worse by Search All Addressbooks bug 170270, needs tracking 38+ and review?rkent/jcranmer – not seen in 38

• everyone should probably skim http://mzl.la/1DaLo0t version 31-38 regressions for items they can help fix or direct to the right people

Releases

• Past
  • 31.6.0 shipped
  • 38.0b1 shipped 2015-04-03
  • 38.0b2 shipped 2015-04-20
• Upcoming
  • 38.0b3 (when?)

Lightning to Thunderbird Integration

See https://calendar.etherpad.mozilla.org/thunderbird-integration

• As underpass has pointed out repeatedly (thanks for your patience!) , we need to rewrite / heavily modify the lightning articles on support.mozilla.org. let me know irc: rolandtanglao on #tb-support-crew or rtanglao AT mozilla.com OR simply start editing the articles

Unfortunately not much progress because I was away. I hope to have the packaging bits done until the weekend. Glandium did a great job on the packager.py changes, hence I nominated him for Friends of the Tree. (fallen)

MakeMyDay should comment on the opt-out dialog, I think we should get it landed asap. bug 1130852 – Opt-Out dialog had some discussion on prefs

Round Table

wsmwk

• managed shipping of 31.6.0, 38.0b1, 38.0b2

Jorg K

• Core: Editor and font problems (three patches have review+ or have landed, one ongoing)
• bug 756984, bug 1141017, bug 1140105, bug 1154791
• Thunderbird: Font problems during compose, Mime problem, correspondents column
• bug 1139524, bug 1141446, bug 1148330, bug 1152706

rkent

• We have the beginnings of a business development group (rkent, wsmwk, magnus) that after signing NDAs will be given access to Thunderbird business documentation.

mkmelin

• bug 1134986 autocomplete bug investigated and landed on trunk +++

aceman

• still no mention at https://addons.mozilla.org/thunderbird/addon/extra-folder-columns that the addon should be disabled in TB38. Can anybody arrange for that? A comment and marking it incompatible in its manifest.

Question Time

— PLEASE INCLUDE YOUR NICK with your bullet item —

• What happened to the Avocet branding? (Jorg K)
  • won’t be persued
• Info about the meeting with Mitchell Baker on 20th March 2015, funding issues (Jorg K)

• http://mzl.la/1O9khi4 can we get hiro’s bugs reassigned so the patches contained can get landed, and not lost? (wsmwk)

• It would be great if some jetpack add-on support were available in thunderbird to share functionality with firefox and fennec. See also bug 1100644. No useful jetpack add-ons seem to exist for thunderbird (earlybird would be fine to use jpm over cfx). Are there any jetpack add-ons available to prove me wrong?

(pegasus) Is it worth looking at going to a 6-week release schedule to avoid the conundrum with getting not-quite-ready features in vs delaying?

Support team

• Reminder: Roland is leaving Thunderbird May 12, 2015 after the release of Thunderbird 38: working on Thunderbird 38 plan and finally kickstarting Thunderbird User Success Council
  • looking for 3 people: English KB Article Editor, L10N Coordinator and Forum Lead. Is that you we’re looking for? If so email rtanglao AT mozilla.com or ping  :rolandtanglao in #sumo or #tb-support-crew

Other

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Action Items

• wsmwk to pat glandium
• wsmwk to email hiro’s bug list to tb-planning
• rkent to review tracking list

Thunderbird meeting notes 2015-02-17. NOON PST. Previous meetings: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird/StatusMeetings#Meeting_Notes

Attendees

fallen, wsmwk, rkent, aceman, paenglab, makemyday, magnus, jorgk,

Current status and discussions

• 36.0 beta is out

Critical Issues

Critical bugs. Please leave these here until they’re confirmed fixed.

• Auto-complete improvements – some of those could go into esr31
• ldap crasher
• certificate crasher
• Lightning integration
• AB all-acount search bug 170270
• maildir UI
• video chat The initial set of patches, with IB UI, may land this week (they’re up for final review). We’re considering also landing a set of matching strings for TB so uplifting a port of the UI becomes possible. I’m not sure the feature will be ready to ship in TB38 as it has not undergone much real world testing yet, but you never know, there may not be any nasty surprises 😉

Release Issues

Upcoming

• Thunderbird 38 moves to Earlybird ~ February 24, 2015
  • string freeze

• GSOC https://wiki.mozilla.org/Community:SummerOfCode15:Brainstorming#Thunderbird
  • Deadline to add project ideas is February 20th, but don’t wait for the deadline 🙂
  • We need people to commit to being mentors.

Lightning to Thunderbird Integration

See https://calendar.etherpad.mozilla.org/thunderbird-integration

• As underpass has pointed out repeatedly (thanks for your patience!) , we need to rewrite / heavily modify the lightning articles on support.mozilla.org. let me know irc: rolandtanglao on #tb-support-crew or rtanglao AT mozilla.com OR simply start editing the articles

Round Table

Paenglab

• I’ve requested for bug 1096006 “Add AccountManager to the prefs in tab” for Tracking_TB38.
  • Is this bug desired for TB 38? It would be needed to enable PrefsInTab.
  • If yes, I have a string only patch to land before string freeze.
• I’ve also requested for Hiro’s bug 1087233 “Create about:downloads to migrate to Downloads.jsm” for Tracking_TB38.
  • I’ve needinfoed him to ask if he has time to finish, but no answer until now.
  • It has also strings in it. I could make a strings only patch if needed.

sshagarwal

• Plan to land AB fix bug 170270 for TB 38.
• Bundled chat desktop notifications bug 1127802 waiting for final review.
• Discussing schema design and appropriate db backend for next gen address book with mconley. We plan to get an approximate idea of the number of contacts in the users’ address books on an average bug 1132588 as a required minimum performance measure.

wsmwk

• 36.0 beta QA organized
• triage topcrashes
• working on HWA question bug 1131879 Disable hardware acceleration (HWA)

aceman

• having an active week with fixing smaller backend bugs (landing right now), polishing for the release. Proud to fix long-standing dataloss bug 840418.

Question Time

• Beta 36: On Win 7, installer needs to be run as administrator. bug 1133926.
  • didn’t come up in QA testing
  • no recent bugs found that mention admin or UAC http://tinyurl.com/m8kmjrx

Other

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Action Items

• organize 36 beta postmortem meeting (wsmwk)
• lightning integration meeting (rkrent/fallen)

Thunderbird meeting notes 2015-02-10. Previous meetings: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird/StatusMeetings#Meeting_Notes

Attendees

aceman, cloep, florian, jcranmer, Jorg K, mkmelin, Paneglab, rkent, Roland, sshagarwal, wsmwk, MakeMyDay

Action items from last meetings

• wsmwk to get in touch with Standard8 re: beta.
  • done – bkerensa and sylvestre are on it
• rkent to work with Standard8 (and Fallen) on issues of 1.management of tracking flags and 2. pushing into aurora and beta for TB 38. (meeting generally agreed that mkmelin and rkent would be appropriate to manage pushing patches forward into aurora and beta).

Critical Issues

Critical bugs. Please leave these here until they’re confirmed fixed.

• Auto-complete improvements – some of those could go into esr31

Release Issues

• Current beta blocked due to Windows XP failures. rkent has try server configuration that can test a beta build, and will try Standard8’s suggestions.

Upcoming

• Thunderbird 38 moves to Earlybird ~ February 24, 2015

• GSOC https://wiki.mozilla.org/Community:SummerOfCode15:Brainstorming#Thunderbird
  • Deadline to add project ideas is February 20th, but don’t wait for the deadline 🙂

We need people to commit to being mentors.

Lightning to Thunderbird Integration

See https://calendar.etherpad.mozilla.org/thunderbird-integration

• As underpass has pointed out repeatedly (thanks for your patience!) , we need to rewrite / heavily modify the lightning articles on support.mozilla.org. let me know irc: rolandtanglao on #tb-support-crew or rtanglao AT mozilla.com OR simply start editing the articles

Round Table

JosiahOne

• So I started a new job recently, but because of that plus school, my time for TB stuff is very, very low. I will continue doing ui-reviews and reviews, but implementing anything has pretty much come to an end until summer break.

wsmwk

• release management https://etherpad.mozilla.org/XxBwrpMHKz
• disable HWA for 38? it has been suggested by someone in support to disable because “3d acceleration … does little or nothing for Thunderbird but messes menus, font and causes crashes (the kind with no crash reporter reports).” bug 1131879

rkent

• Hot bugs
  • bug 1125577 – startup crash in NSSCryptoContext_FindCertificateByEncodedCertificate (and similar bug 1128614)
  • bug 1124015 – Add UI to select maildir for storage when creating accounts
  • bug 1119529 – Sending message succeeds but Error “error while running message filters on it.”
• Unfortunately a long review queue that I will be looking at for the next few days.
• I now have access to Thunderbird ADI data. Our ADI reached a new peak last month (in spite of SlashDot assuming “Thunderbird usage is dropping”) and Japan has now surpassed US as #2 country (after Germany).

jcranmer

• Hopefully going to work down my review queue by this weekend
• Main jsmime perf regression fixes are r? rkent
• I have a non-promisified version of OAuth2, but still no UI hookup
• Mozharness-based mozmill tests: I’ve updated the runner, need to make updates to three or four repositories to make it work
  • Trying to get this in progress for Thunderbird 38, so we don’t need to maintain the old mozmill buildbot stuff for ESR
• I’ve been doing some work with the emailjs team to add functionality to their SMTP libraries (specifically with regards to SASL) that we could share between TB/Whiteout.io/Gaia email teams.

TheOne

• Add-on signing is coming to Firefox. Is this something we could/would ship in a 38.x release or not before next year in 45? http://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2015/02/10/extension-signing-safer-experience/
  • “There are no plans to implement this on Thunderbird, since Thunderbird extension malware hasn’t been a problem in the past. So it shouldn’t make a difference if your extension is signed or not for it to work on Thunderbird. Whether we automatically sign AMO extensions for Thunderbird or we don’t will probably depend on what’s easier to implement for AMO.” [jorgev https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.addons.user-experience/YKK4zwA48H0/5bgUuknZfJgJ ]
• addon-compat bugs http://tinyurl.com/m6mwaqw

Jorg K

I have an XP machine (32 bit), I could run (not build) and debug (with WinDbg) the beta, if that’s of any help. I’d need to know where do download it … and the mentioned suggestions to try. (Contact via e-mail to start off).

mkmelin

• autocomplete:
  • the critical regressions fixed
  • 3 prominent complaints still not done: the “tab too quickly doesn’t complete”, “show as red even if found”, “insert link missing paste url in context menu”
  • ordering: now landed on esr, some complaints still, need to investigate

Question Time

I’d like to know what happened to the “Thunderbird Discussions with Mozilla”, ie. the letter that was meant to be sent to the Mozilla management, re. funding, donations, staffing, etc. There was a lively discussion on the tb-planning mailing list in early January 2015.

• won’t happen before 38 branching

Support team

• As underpass has pointed out, we need to rewrite all the Lightning articles, they are out of date whether or not we finish the integration for TB 38. email me or irc roland or just edit the articles (see above under “Lightning to Thunderbird integration”. Tonnes do you have time to write some of these Lightning articles in English?

Other

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(Extra) Meeting next Tuesday, Feb 17.

Action Items

-none-

   Thunderbird meeting notes 2014-11-18

Previous meetings: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird/StatusMeetings#Meeting_Notes

Attendees

(partial list)
rkent
florian
wsmwk
jcranmer
mmelin
aceman
theone
clokep
roland

Action items from last meetings

• wsmwk: Get the Thunderbird 38 bugzilla flag created
  • not heard from standard8

Critical Issues

• Several critical bugs keeping us from moving from 24 to 31. Please leave these here until they’re confirmed fixed.
  • Frequent POP3 crasher bug 902158 On current aurora and beta?
    • we won’t have data/insight till next week, assuming the relevant builds are built. crash-stats for nightly builds is not useful – direct user testing of the fixed build is required
  • Self-signed certs are having difficulty bug 1036338 SOLVED! REOPENED according to the bug?
  • Auto-complete bugs?bug 1045753 waiting for esr approval bug 1043310 Waiting for review, still
  • Auto-complete improvements (bug 970456, bug 1091675, bug 118624) – some of those could go into esr31
  • bug 1045958TB 31 jp does not display folder pane with OS X

Why are we throttled? Because 1) waiting for TB 31.3, and 2) still hoping for bug 1045958 3) need auto-complete bug approved. Dec 1/2 is now release date.

Upcoming

• TB34.0b1 just released
• TB31.3.0 moved to ~ Dec 1 (but builds are done ~ a week before)
• 10th anniversary of Thunderbird 1.0 – what should we do? See your email. Also ref: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/thunderbird10thannivideas
  • make a special Start Page https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/release/start/?uri=/thunderbird/start/&locale=en-US&version=31.0
    • special graphic?
    • text?
    • localizations
  • other ideas (see your email)

Round Table

wsmwk

• got Penelope (pre-OSE eudora) removed from AMO
• shepherding [1] bug 1045958]]TB 31 jp does not display folder pane with OS X
• secured potential release drivers
• “Get Involved” is broken for Thunderbird. TB isn’t offered at https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/contribute/signup/, and it’s unclear who in Thunderbird gets notified. In contact with

Larissa Shapiro

jcranmer

• Looking into eliminating the comm-central build system bug 1099430
• Trying to see if I can get some whines set up to listen for potential TB compat changes (e.g., checking the addon-compat keyword)
• We have telemetry on Nightly for the first time since TB 28!
• Irving is working through reviews of bug 998191 \o/

clokep

• Google Talk does not work on comm-central due to disabling of RC4 SSL ciphers, see bug 1092701
  • Some of the security guys have contacted Googlers, apparently an internal ticket was opened with the XMPP team
• Filed a bug (with a patch) to have firefoxtree work with comm-central, this will automatically add a tag (called “comm”) to the tip of comm-central bug 1100692 and is useful if you’re playing with bookmarks instead of mq
• Still haven’t fully been able to get Additional Chat Protocols to compile…(Windows still failing)
• WebRTC work is waiting for reviews from Florian

mkmelin

• lots of reviews, queue almost empty, yay!
• finally landed bug 970456
• bug 1074125 fixed, plan to handle some of the m-c encoding removals next
• bug 1074793 fixed, for tb we need to set a pref for it to take affect (bug 1095893 awaiting review)

aceman

• revived effort on 4GB+ folders together with rkent
  • first step landed! bug 813459
  • next steps bug 789679, bug 793865
• landed a rewrite of the attachment reminder engine: bug 938829 (NOT for ESR). Please mark regressions against that bug. First one is bug 1099866.

Support team

• [roland] working on Thunderbird profile article because a new volunteer contributor from the SUMO buddy program rewrote it! will review changes!

Action Items

• wsmwk: Thunderbird start page for anniversary, with localizations
• wsmwk: Get Involved, get the “Thunderbird path” operating

Thunderbird meeting notes 2014-09-11
Today’s minutes taker, please don’t forget to :
– save etherpad before clearing for this meeting, if etherpad wasn’t previously cleared (but copy “Action items” to the top before clearing)
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– save etherpad, copy “Action items” to “Action items from last meetings”, and clear the rest of etherpad comments

Attendees

• rkent, florian queze, irving, rolandtanglao, magnus

Action items from last meetings

• rkent and wsmwk to unblock / deal with bienvenu bugs

Current status and discussions

• no progress on “bienvenu” bugs
• comm-central changes on hold pending mercurial changes and signoff by smedberg
• discussion about kent’s modification to Thunderbird governance proposal is positive
• much work on summit and video from mconley and rkent
• summit agenda planning, rkent to ask in tb-planning

Round Table

jcranmer

• Likely won’t be at meeting today, one of my meetings changed time slots to start 30m before this one
• according to gps, hg partial checkouts are targetted to land 3.2, more likely to land in 3.3 (release dates of Nov 1/Feb 1, respectively)
  • bsmedberg has said this is his blocker for letting c-c merge into m-c
  • gps plans to make it a high priority to update to newer hg quickly, and now has a new role to make that more possible
• Played with putting OpenLDAP server in a Docker container
  • https://bitbucket.org/jcranmer/maildocker/overview
  • I have some prototype tests that use this server to test LDAP functionality

JosiahOne (Not at meeting)

• Have done reviews and have been giving feedback in bugs, but personal development time has slowed. My development machine has to have a part replaced on Saturday plus I have papers and college applications to finish this month, so availability will be limited until around the time of the Summit.
• OS X Codesign V2 status is coming along, I’m mostly just waiting for a finished version of the Fx implementation.

rkent

• Summit: we really need a group of people to work on the agenda. Volunteers?
• Discussion of reorg plan?

mconley

• Now acting as interface between TB community and ProTravel Inc
  • The attendees list has been garnered from the wiki, along with 2 extras from Fallen and Florian for Calendar / Chat. Waiting to hear from a few more.
• Re-connected with Aaron Mandel about a fundraising video. Quote is approximately $600 (+tax), since he likes Mozilla and wants to give us a deal
  • We need to find a good variety (accents, countries of origin, languages) members of the TB community who are comfortable / articulate in front of the camera (about 5-7 people), and come up with “our story”. I suggested our audience be current TB users who don’t actually know what’s happening with Thunderbird.
  • Quickly talk about where Thunderbird came from, the transition to community development, and where we are now – and why we need help. Instead of just talking heads, these interviews will be interspersed with shots of people checking their email, doing calendaring, chatting, etc.
  • We need the quick and punchy stuff: “Put users in control of their email”, “Your email is yours, even when you’re offline”, “Lots of tweaks and add-ons for power users”
  • We also need to send Aaron TB art / assets for graphical work.
  • Once we have our story, we’ll put together a really basic script, so we know who to put in front of the camera, and what questions to ask.
  • Then, I’ll meet with Aaron face-to-face 2 weeks before we shoot to make sure we have everything we need
  • During the summit (probably the Friday), we’ll pull our 5-7 people aside, ask them the questions we’ve scripted (maybe several times to get the sound bites we want), and then Aaron will cut together the video.

clokep (Not attending)

• Been in contact with some of the DarkMail developers, have been trying to get them to ask questions in #maildev, but they seem to like to ask through me.
  • They’ve said things like “Random people don’t get answers there”
  • More likely they’re working during times when “we’re” not online.

Support team

• Roland transitioning. Last Day is April 30, 2015. Organizing weekly support meetings to get bugs/papercuts done as part of the transition.

Action Items

• mconley: Come up with a short-list of volunteers to go on camera, send out emails with questions on them to get responses, find the responses that resonate, and from that, assemble our script.

Thunderbird meeting notes 2014-01-07
Minute taker – don’t forget to save a revision of the pad before clearing it for next use.
Please don’t forget to post on wiki.mozilla.org after the end of the meeting so that they will go public in the meeting notes blog.

Attendees

• rkent, florian, jcranmer, Roland, JosiahOne, mkmelin

Action items from last meetings

• [mconley] Put together an Etherpad for contributor badge categories and graphics
  • Make sure each badge has an explicit, once-sentence goal.

Friends of the tree

Current status and discussions

• mconley still did not put together this etherpad!
• Chat updates in brief:
  • Instantbird now uses bugzilla.mozilla.org
  • instantbird front-end code will be merged into comm-central in a folder named im/
  • GPL code (libpurple + glue code) would be in a separate repository
    • This would make it easier to develop the add-on for TB as well

Upcoming

Round Table

clokep/florian

• Finally completed the 6th chat/ merge of IB -> c-c (bug 920801)
  • Dealt with a couple of minor bugs from this (bugs 956487 and 956767)
• Planning to do another chat/ merge of IB -> c-c soon
• Merged the Instantbird bugzilla into Mozilla’s bugzilla (bug 749586): sorry for the bugspam
  • Includes a “Chat core” component for code shared between Thunderbird and Instantbird
    • Need to resolve duplicates and move bugs to their proper components
• Filed bug to merge the Instantbird UI into c-c (bug 956609)
  • Hoping to finish this merge by the end of the week
  • Will likely close the tree for a few hours once we are ready to land

jcranmer

• Windows builds almost work on Alder (down to a packaging failure)
  • Pymake’s shell quoting is annoying
  • bug 957720 is the tracking for work needed to get windows builds green
• Goal is to finish cc-rework by the end of January:
  • Still need to ensure unit test configs work in new setup
  • Unresolved OS X Universal builds failure
  • Unresolved Windows packaging failure
  • Need to land bug 957720, bug 944952
• More talk about killing RDF, so returning to working on bug 441437
• Had a wonderful winter weather in Chicago followed by a bitterly cold weekend here in Urbana

JosiahOne (Left meeting early)

• Did a lot of reviews, still have more to do. (Paenglab’s been knocking out bugs left and right.)
  • If you have flagged me for review, I plan to finish reviews this week.
• Created several shared CSS files for theme with no regressions so far.
• Landed a bunch of minor theme improvements
  • Removed the grain texture that has been causing issues. Bug 935023.
• My plan now is actually to start doing less theme stuff and move to Cocoa and JS-based Front end.

mkmelin

• bug 953426 expose remote content per-host privileges
• bug 956586 get rid of FillInHTMLTooltip which is now in a binding (and bug 331772)

Question Time

Other

• Q12014: We are (finally) moving the Knowledge Base from support.mozillamessaging.com to support.mozilla.org & from getstatisfaction to support.mozilla.org forums [roland]
  • tracker bug for KB: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=816273
  • I guess we will have a tracker bug for moving the forum but there won’t be much to do since we aren’t migrating anything from Get Satisfaction

Thunderbird meeting notes 2013-12-10
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Attendees

• mconley, irving, jcranmer, paenglab, rolandtanglao, aceman, mkmelin, sshagarwal, javirueda

Action items from last meetings

• none

Friends of the tree

• nobody nominated but i am 100% somebody did something awesome

Current status and discussions

• mconley: can we create an open contributor badge for TB contributors?
  • Friends of the tree, new contributor, I lost the list of because I’m not a fast typer
  • Need graphics or something or thing
  • Roland knows how to do it, so give him the graphics that we need. Goals, graphics, and people to award the badges to.

Critical Issues

• Bug 948555 – Core graphics fix broke us in the last merge, but jcranmer is on it – we’ve essentially lost all OS X Mozmill tests. :/

Upcoming

Round Table

mconley

• Still no takers on my Ensemble call for help – although I’ve responded to email asking how it currently works
• Took another chunk out of my review queue this past weekend! \o/ I’ll have another opportunity this evening or tomorrow evening.
  • Part of my review queue includes needinfo?’s from tessarakt’s questions from the last meeting

jcranmer

• Review queue is backed up, apologies
• Hoping to land bug 842632… when bug 948555 is fixed (:-( @ m-c bustage)
• Alder is green on 5/8 trees!
  • OS X opt broken due to universal build + nsinstall + ldap headaches
  • Windows requires a lot more investigation to fix
• Will have spotty internet access and work times from ~Dec 21-Dec 29, and likely to be overloaded until Jan 14 with school stuff

Paenglab (no Mic)

• Used a bit TB with dark Persona and found two bugs:
  • Bug 948384 – No chat icon when unreadMessages=”true” with dark Personas.
  • Bug 948568 – Use inverted chat toolbar icons with dark Personas.
• Around christmas will look to update TB’s tabs to Fx Australis implementation.

Question Time

Other

• Q12014: We are (finally) moving the Knowledge Base from support.mozillamessaging.com to support.mozilla.org & from getstatisfaction to support.mozilla.org forums [roland]
  • tracker bug for KB: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=816273
  • I guess we will have a tracker bug for moving the forum but there won’t be much to do since we aren’t migrating anything from Get Satisfaction

Action Items

• [mconley] Put together an Etherpad for contributor badge categories and graphics
  • Make sure each badge has an explicit, 1-sentence goal.

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Meeting Changes

• Taking notes on Etherpad at https://thunderbird.etherpad.mozilla.org/status-meeting-minute-taking
• We have a calendar at https://mail.mozilla.com/home/mbanner@mozilla.com/Thunderbird%20Schedules to have meetings coming up.

Attendees

aceman, clokep, jcranmer, JosiahOne, sshagarwal, mconley, Paenglab, Fallen

Action items from last meetings

• [Standard8] Are WADA, Aryx, Chiaki Ishikawa, JosiahOne and jcranmer from previous nomination covered already for swag?
  • Standard8 is on it, but needs to dig through some info in his inbox.
• [mconley]
  • Thunderbird usage data isn’t public. Standard8 was tasked with getting that information released. What’s the status on that?
    • Metrics is still needinfo’d on getting non-staff community added to usage metrics report emails

Critical Issues

• [rkent] Binary add-on issue with TB 24?
  • jcranmer and irving suggest speaking with Fallen – they suspect this is fixed.
  • The builds that came out for 24.1 timeframe release did not fix the bug that rkent is talking about – but extra numbers have been added to AMO to mark compatibility (you’ll need to do rebuilds to side-step the compat issue).

Round Table

• jcranmer
  • Working on converting JSMime into a separate repository (thanks to James Burke for being patient with me and my packaging issues!)
    • The separate repository will be JSMime 0.2, as I have decided to rework the API to be more idiot-proof
    • Tests are now up-to-date for comm-central, need to port tests for RFC 2047 and address header encoding/decoding
    • Not announcing this more widely public yet, since the conversion process is very messy and I want to embed reviews from the start.
  • Alder is now reserved for the final stages of ccrework, and I should be in contact with releng on getting this done.
  • Some minor build-engineering work with moz.build conversions or ontology
  • Still awaiting review from Neil.
• JosiahOne (No outgoing audio)
  • Been busy with exams last week, so I didn’t accomplish as much as I wished.
  • I have started re-organizing the directory/file/image structure inside themes/.
  • I plan to create a shared themes directory similar to Firefox unless the build peers/owners are against it.
  • Waiting on review from Mike Conley for the animated thunderbird tabs.
• clokep
  • Still working on the IB->c-c chat/ update, waiting on reviews from Florian now.
  • Was at the GSoC Mentors Summit ([1])
    • A lot of people told me they were happy we were still working on Thumderbird!
    • A lot of people thought Thunderbird had been killed -> more on this in my blog post
• mconley
  • Patch to allow us to use nsIPermissionManager to store mail content preferences is up for review. \o/
  • I wrote some mail to tb-planning about the AMO to Marketplace move, and what that means for Thunderbird (and SeaMonkey).
  • Did more reviews, but they’re starting to stack up again
• Paenglab
  • Waiting for feedback from mconley for bug 925746

Question Time

• [clokep] Do we still need to use tb-planning? I’m STILL moderated on it after an insane amount of time using it.
  • Can we switch back to using m.d.a.thunderbird? If we have issues with “idiots”, we can always moderate it. (I want my nntp back.)
  • Alternately, can we freely give out posting privileges to people.

Action Items

• [mconley] Ask jorgev if Marketplace merge would accept patches to make Thunderbird work there…
• [mconley] Can we pull jb into this AMO discussion? Can we get an advocate higher up the Mozilla-chain? jb+gerv?
• [mconley] Talk to bwinton and see if we can get “the regulars” whitelisted on tb-planning.

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