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16-June-2015

Thunderbird: 2015-06-16

Filed under: Posts — Tags: — Jesper Kristensen @ 11:00 pm

Thunderbird meeting notes 2015-06-16. NOON PT (Pacific). Check https://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird/StatusMeetings for meeting time conversion, previous meeting notes and call-in details

Attendees

rkent, wsmwk, sshagarwal, jorgk, joes1, jcranmer, mkmelin, rolandtanglao, makemyday

Current status and discussions

Critical Issues

Leave critical bugs here until confirmed fixed. If confirmed, then remove.

  • see tb38 etherpad
  • tracking-tb38 flags – approved(+): http://tinyurl.com/nk3vbhl nominated(?): http://tinyurl.com/pgwflyg
  • Do we unthrottle updates for TB38?
    • suggest 10% for a couple days so we get more data, if there are no objections (wsmwk). we are roughly at 200k users or 1% of user population
    • JoeS1 FWIW Firefox unthrottles immediately to 25 for info, I think we should do the same
      • But I guess they do that because they are ready to do a point release if necessary, and we are not that ready
    • What is state of addons? (generally we don’t decide based on this, except maybe calendar)
    • Are there tracked bugs we want fixed before full unthrottle? (means waiting for 38.1.0)
  • rkent list of critical issues blocking even partial unthrottling:
    • broken Simplified Chinese bug 1174580 – Not display GB2312 encoded texts correctly
      • It might be possible to simply change the encoding mapping to fix this?
    • proxy not working bug 1175051 and probably related crashes
  • rkent list of other critical issues
    • Outlook/Eudora import completely busted: bug 1175055.
      • I suggest that for the next dot release, if we cannot get the crash fixed, we should disable the menu item that promotes this. Does not block unthrottling since mostly affects new users.
      • Someone needs to add additional main thread proxies to the migration code.
    • bug 1174797 Add a cookie exception for GMail OAuth
      • Does not affect unthrottling since no effect unless someone tries to use OAuth. Lightning has an example of how to fix this, so should not be difficult.

Releases

  • Past
    • 31.6.0 shipped
    • 38.0b3 shipped 2015-04-26 Sunday
    • 38.0b4 shipped 2015-05-03 Sunday
    • 31.7.0 2015-05-18 Monday (lots of issues – Tues 5-12 was target)
    • 38.0b5 shipped 2015-05-19 Tuesday
    • 38.0b6 shipped 2015-05-23
    • 38.0.1 nominally shipped 2015-06-12
  • Upcoming
    • 31.8.0 ~2015-06-20 GTB
    • 38.1.0 FF GTB on June 22 release June 30.
      • Would it be possible to continue to use the beta channel for TB 38 until post-38.2.0? So maybe we could do a 38.1.0b1?

Lightning to Thunderbird Integration

See https://calendar.etherpad.mozilla.org/thunderbird-integration

  • As underpass has pointed out repeatedly (thanks for your patience!) , we need to rewrite / heavily modify the lightning articles on support.mozilla.org. let me know irc: rolandtanglao on #tb-support-crew or rtanglao AT mozilla.com OR simply start editing the articles
  • We need to fill the “Learn More” page with content, possibly point it to something more specific bug 1159682
  • Opt-out dialog: change “disable” to “remove” bug 1159698
  • tracking bug for lightning 4.0 bug 1153752

Round Table

wsmwk

jorgk

  • bug 345852 – Personal dictionary, waiting for Ehsan
  • bug 209189 – delete, delete, undo -> corruption, waiting for Neil/Kent
  • bug 368915 – spell check in subject, ongoing.
  • bug 1175055 – Import (Eudora/Outlook) busted.

rkent

My availability will be limited from June 20 – June 29. If there is going to be progress on fixing TB 38 releases in that time, someone else would have to drive it.

  • Monitoring issues appearing in TB 38.0.1
  • Previously there were issues getting TB 38 to build with current mozilla-esr38 (which resulted in THUNDERBIRD_38_0_20150603_RELBRANCH) and I suspect there may be some fixes needed to get the merge of mozilla-esr38 into THUNDERBIRD_38_VERBRANCH to work.

jcranmer

  • Huge backlog, being more or less processed in stack order unfortunately
    • Ping me on IRC if you have anything really important to look at something
  • Following up on some releng future issues
  • I have some discussions to start after 38 is finally out the door

sshagarwal

  • At step one of the project: Setting up a dummy protocol to understand how a protocol

is added to TB using addon approach (using Skinkglue).

  • I have taken too much time to do this mostly due to health issues continuing for over a month now. Will pick up soon.

Question Time

Jorg K:
When will JSMime take over all RFC2047 decoding? Looking at bug 1146099 I found RFC2047 code used in comm-central/mozilla/netwerk/mime.
Also, while Joshua is here: Will we fix whatever we did wrong in bug 1154521

Support team

  • Roland’s last day is June 30, 2015 – please needinfo :rolandtanglao or email rtanglao AT mozilla.com if you need my help starting July 1, 2015

Other

  • PLEASE PUT THE NEXT MEETING IN YOUR (LIGHTNING) CALENDAR
  • Note – meeting notes must be copied from etherpad to wiki before 5AM CET next day so that they will go public in the meeting notes blog.

2-June-2015

Thunderbird: 2015-06-02

Filed under: Posts — Tags: — Jesper Kristensen @ 11:00 pm

Thunderbird meeting notes 2015-06-02. NOON PT (Pacific). Check https://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird/StatusMeetings for meeting time conversion, previous meeting notes and call-in details

Attendees

rkent, Fallen, jorgk, margoagpinto, mkmelin, paenglab, wsmwk, aceman, sshagarwal, joes1

Current status and discussions

How can we keep Thunderbird relevant with competitors like Geary Discourage new email clients with small teams? (Mailpile, Postbox also come to mind).

And speaking of Postbox … we plan to have discussion soon about more active cooperation.

Critical Issues

  • Last call for issues prior to 38.0 I am not aware of any blockers, plan to build Wednesday.

Critical bugs. Leave these here until they’re confirmed fixed. If confirmed, then remove.

  • AMO compatibility bump! (is not going to happen)
  • In general, the tracking-tb38 flag http://mzl.la/1EOx9Tm shows critical issues.
  • maildir UI: nothing more to do for UI, still want to land a patch for letting IMAP set this.

removing from critical list/fixed:

Releases

  • Past
    • 31.6.0 shipped
    • 38.0b3 shipped 2015-04-26 Sunday
    • 38.0b4 shipped 2015-05-03 Sunday
    • 31.7.0 2015-05-18 Monday (lots of issues – Tues 5-12 was target)
    • 38.0b5 shipped 2015-05-19 Tuesday
    • 38.0b6 shipped 5/23
  • Upcoming
    • 38.0 final 2015-06-03?
    • 31.8.0 2015-06-20~ GTB

Lightning to Thunderbird Integration

See https://calendar.etherpad.mozilla.org/thunderbird-integration

  • As underpass has pointed out repeatedly (thanks for your patience!) , we need to rewrite / heavily modify the lightning articles on support.mozilla.org. let me know irc: rolandtanglao on #tb-support-crew or rtanglao AT mozilla.com OR simply start editing the articles
  • We need to fill the “Learn More” page with content, possibly point it to something more specific bug 1159682
  • Opt-out dialog: change “disable” to “remove” bug 1159698
  • tracking bug for lightning 4.0 bug 1153752

Round Table

wsmwk

  • creating moztrap tests for new features

Jorg K

sshagarwal

  • Getting started on GSoC project.
  • Trying to understand xpcom components and figure out how to write a dummy protocol to use with Skinkglue.

Question Time

  • Jorg K: Release notes? I think more bugs should go on the list that we currently have. We will consider those with more than 3 votes 😉
  • rkent: Should we consider enabling maildir as default on trunk? Use ifdef to only compile on trunk.
    • I think maildir still too untested to set as default, even on trunk (JoeS1)
    • Can we wait with that until after getting feedback from testers of it on TB38? (aceman)
  • aceman: still no luck in getting Extra folder columns addon disabled (= limited compatibility to <=37.x) on AMO?
  • aceman: also somebody should at least comment on the “Send filter” addon on AMO that the feature is in base TB. It may conflict.

Other

  • PLEASE PUT THE NEXT MEETING IN YOUR (LIGHTNING) CALENDAR

5-May-2015

Thunderbird: 2015-05-05

Filed under: Posts — Tags: — Jesper Kristensen @ 11:00 pm

Thunderbird meeting notes 2015-05-05. NOON PT (Pacific). Check https://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird/StatusMeetings for meeting time conversion, previous meeting notes and call-in details

Attendees

aceman, aleth, Jorg K, merike, rkent, roland, wsmwk, MakeMyDay, rolandtanglao

Action items from last meetings

  • (done) wsmwk to pat glandium
  • (done) wsmwk to email hiro’s bug list to tb-planning
  • (done) rkent to review tracking list http://mzl.la/1EOx9Tm

Critical Issues

Critical bugs. Leave these here until they’re confirmed fixed. If confirmed, then remove.

  • AMO compatibility bump! (is not going to happen)
  • In general, the tracking-tb38 flag shows what are critical issues. In the next week or so, that list will be culled to only include true blockers for the Thunderbird 38 release. There will still be many.
  • maildir UI: nothing more to do for UI, still want to land a patch for letting IMAP set this.
  • gloda IM search regressions: mostly fixed, some db cleanup necessary for users of TB33+
    • aleth landed a fix to stop duplicated entries from appearing, nhnt11 patch to clean up the databases of Aurora/Beta/Daily has landed and is awaiting uplift

removing from critical list/fixed:

  • We need to decide on how to do release branching. I am uncertain whether Lightning integration requires this or not.
    • –> We’ve created THUNDERBIRD_38_VERBRANCH on mozilla-release
  • Lightning integration (below) really REALLY critical that we get this finished.
    • –> Patches landed, testing beta 2015-04-30

Releases

  • Past
    • 31.6.0 shipped
    • 38.0b3 shipped 2015-04-26 Sunday
    • 38.0b4 shipped 2015-05-03 Sunday
  • Upcoming
    • 38.0b5 (build Fri 5/8? when?)
    • 38.0b6?
    • 38.0 on May 26?
    • 31.7.0 2015-05-12+ Tues+

Lightning to Thunderbird Integration

See https://calendar.etherpad.mozilla.org/thunderbird-integration

  • As underpass has pointed out repeatedly (thanks for your patience!) , we need to rewrite / heavily modify the lightning articles on support.mozilla.org. let me know irc: rolandtanglao on #tb-support-crew or rtanglao AT mozilla.com OR simply start editing the articles
  • We need to fill the “Learn More” page with content, possibly point it to something more specific bug 1159682
  • Opt-out dialog: change “disable” to “remove” bug 1159698
  • tracking bug for lightning 4.0 bug 1153752

Round Table

wsmwk

Jorg K

  • Mail composition/spelling: bug 967494, bug 717292 (inline spell dictionary inconsistent), waiting for review by M Conley.
  • Editor losing style after image paste: bug 1140617
  • bug 1141446 – JSMIME regression, still awaiting final review
  • Today looked at “double Trash” issue 1156669

rkent

  • rail in releng seems to believe that we cannot overlap tb 31 and tb 38 and claims that was the previous practice, but Standard8 does not remember this the same way. At the moment I have been told that we cannot start building on the esr38 repo without disabling builds on esr31. This is still a developing story … until resolved I think we need to keep using comm-beta for TB 38 betas.
  • we have a backlog of jsmime issues, jcranmer has been quite tied up with real life. Several of us have been trying to fix these, but we need reviews.
  • Let’s review the critical tracking-38 bugs (29 at last count) http://mzl.la/1EOx9Tm

mkmelin

  • reviews
  • thunderbird hotfix support – bug 914225 ready to land

Question Time

— PLEASE INCLUDE YOUR NICK with your bullet item —

aleth

Some testing/verification that chat logs are now being properly and completely indexed by gloda would be helpful, cf bug 1146698 (landed on c-c, a possible candidate for uplift).

Support team

  • Roland owes sumo kb article links for release notes. Hope to have stub articles ready today

Other

  • PLEASE PUT THE NEXT MEETING IN YOUR (LIGHTNING) CALENDAR
  • Note – meeting notes must be copied from etherpad to wiki before 5AM CET next day so that they will go public in the meeting notes blog.

21-April-2015

Thunderbird: 2015-04-21

Filed under: Posts — Tags: — Jesper Kristensen @ 11:00 pm

Thunderbird meeting notes 2015-04-21. NOON PT (Pacific). Check https://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird/StatusMeetings for meeting time conversion, previous meeting notes and call-in details

Attendees

ATTENDEES – put your nick 1. below 2. in comments unless explicit under round table 3. top right of etherpad next to your color

mkmelin, rolandt, pegasus, makemyday jorgk, rkent, gneandr, aceman, merike, Paenglab, wsmwk

Action items from last meetings

  • (rkent, Fallen) AMO addon compat: TheOne said that this late it is probably not worth doing at all. WIth so many other things for me to do, that sounds like a plan.

Friends of the tree

  • glandium, for fixing the various packager bugs that will help package Lightning (nominated by Fallen, who won’t be at the meeting)

Critical Issues

Critical bugs. Leave these here until they’re confirmed fixed. If confirmed, then remove.

  • (rkent) I am enormously frustrated by the inability to get two critical features landed in tb 38: OAuth and Lightning integration. Can we please give this very high priority?
    • OAuth integration: partial landing for beta 2, really REALLY critical that we get this finished.
  • In general, the tracking-tb38 flag shows what are critical issues. In the next week or so, that list will be culled to only include true blockers for the Thunderbird 38 release. There will still be many.
  • I don’t think we have a reasonable chance of shipping a quality release on May 12. More realistic is June 2.
  • We need to decide on how to do release branching. I am uncertain whether Lightning integration requires this or not.
  • Auto-complete improvements – some could go into esr31 (bug 1042561 included in TB38)
  • Lightning integration (below) really REALLY critical that we get this finished.
  • maildir UI: nothing more to do for UI, still want to land a patch for letting IMAP set this.
  • gloda IM search regressions: mostly fixed, some db cleanup necessary for users of TB33+ that nhnt11 will hopefully have ready to land soon.
    • aleth landed a fix to stop duplicated entries from appearing, nhnt11 will take care of the cleaning up the databases of Aurora/Beta/Daily users this weekend and keep us updated
  • bug 1140884, might need late-l10n

removing from critical list/fixed:

  • ldap crash bug 1063829: a patch in beta 37, beta results are unclear – not seen in 38
  • bug 1064230 crashes during LDAP search made worse by Search All Addressbooks bug 170270, needs tracking 38+ and review?rkent/jcranmer – not seen in 38
  • everyone should probably skim http://mzl.la/1DaLo0t version 31-38 regressions for items they can help fix or direct to the right people

Releases

  • Past
    • 31.6.0 shipped
    • 38.0b1 shipped 2015-04-03
    • 38.0b2 shipped 2015-04-20
  • Upcoming
    • 38.0b3 (when?)

Lightning to Thunderbird Integration

See https://calendar.etherpad.mozilla.org/thunderbird-integration

  • As underpass has pointed out repeatedly (thanks for your patience!) , we need to rewrite / heavily modify the lightning articles on support.mozilla.org. let me know irc: rolandtanglao on #tb-support-crew or rtanglao AT mozilla.com OR simply start editing the articles

Unfortunately not much progress because I was away. I hope to have the packaging bits done until the weekend. Glandium did a great job on the packager.py changes, hence I nominated him for Friends of the Tree. (fallen)

MakeMyDay should comment on the opt-out dialog, I think we should get it landed asap. bug 1130852 – Opt-Out dialog had some discussion on prefs

Round Table

wsmwk

  • managed shipping of 31.6.0, 38.0b1, 38.0b2

Jorg K

rkent

  • We have the beginnings of a business development group (rkent, wsmwk, magnus) that after signing NDAs will be given access to Thunderbird business documentation.

mkmelin

  • bug 1134986 autocomplete bug investigated and landed on trunk +++

aceman

Question Time

— PLEASE INCLUDE YOUR NICK with your bullet item —

  • What happened to the Avocet branding? (Jorg K)
    • won’t be persued
  • Info about the meeting with Mitchell Baker on 20th March 2015, funding issues (Jorg K)
  • http://mzl.la/1O9khi4 can we get hiro’s bugs reassigned so the patches contained can get landed, and not lost? (wsmwk)
  • It would be great if some jetpack add-on support were available in thunderbird to share functionality with firefox and fennec. See also bug 1100644. No useful jetpack add-ons seem to exist for thunderbird (earlybird would be fine to use jpm over cfx). Are there any jetpack add-ons available to prove me wrong?

(pegasus) Is it worth looking at going to a 6-week release schedule to avoid the conundrum with getting not-quite-ready features in vs delaying?

Support team

  • Reminder: Roland is leaving Thunderbird May 12, 2015 after the release of Thunderbird 38: working on Thunderbird 38 plan and finally kickstarting Thunderbird User Success Council
    • looking for 3 people: English KB Article Editor, L10N Coordinator and Forum Lead. Is that you we’re looking for? If so email rtanglao AT mozilla.com or ping  :rolandtanglao in #sumo or #tb-support-crew

Other

  • PLEASE PUT THE NEXT MEETINGS IN YOUR (LIGHTNING) CALENDAR :)
  • Note – meeting notes must be copied from etherpad to wiki before 5AM CET next day so that they will go public in the meeting notes blog.

Action Items

  • wsmwk to pat glandium
  • wsmwk to email hiro’s bug list to tb-planning
  • rkent to review tracking list

18-February-2015

Thunderbird: 2015-02-17

Filed under: Posts — Tags: — Jesper Kristensen @ 12:00 am

Thunderbird meeting notes 2015-02-17. NOON PST. Previous meetings: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird/StatusMeetings#Meeting_Notes

Attendees

fallen, wsmwk, rkent, aceman, paenglab, makemyday, magnus, jorgk,

Current status and discussions

  • 36.0 beta is out

Critical Issues

Critical bugs. Please leave these here until they’re confirmed fixed.

  • Auto-complete improvements – some of those could go into esr31
  • ldap crasher
  • certificate crasher
  • Lightning integration
  • AB all-acount search bug 170270
  • maildir UI
  • video chat The initial set of patches, with IB UI, may land this week (they’re up for final review). We’re considering also landing a set of matching strings for TB so uplifting a port of the UI becomes possible. I’m not sure the feature will be ready to ship in TB38 as it has not undergone much real world testing yet, but you never know, there may not be any nasty surprises 😉

Release Issues

Upcoming

  • Thunderbird 38 moves to Earlybird ~ February 24, 2015
    • string freeze

Lightning to Thunderbird Integration

See https://calendar.etherpad.mozilla.org/thunderbird-integration

  • As underpass has pointed out repeatedly (thanks for your patience!) , we need to rewrite / heavily modify the lightning articles on support.mozilla.org. let me know irc: rolandtanglao on #tb-support-crew or rtanglao AT mozilla.com OR simply start editing the articles

Round Table

Paenglab

  • I’ve requested for bug 1096006 “Add AccountManager to the prefs in tab” for Tracking_TB38.
    • Is this bug desired for TB 38? It would be needed to enable PrefsInTab.
    • If yes, I have a string only patch to land before string freeze.
  • I’ve also requested for Hiro’s bug 1087233 “Create about:downloads to migrate to Downloads.jsm” for Tracking_TB38.
    • I’ve needinfoed him to ask if he has time to finish, but no answer until now.
    • It has also strings in it. I could make a strings only patch if needed.

sshagarwal

  • Plan to land AB fix bug 170270 for TB 38.
  • Bundled chat desktop notifications bug 1127802 waiting for final review.
  • Discussing schema design and appropriate db backend for next gen address book with mconley. We plan to get an approximate idea of the number of contacts in the users’ address books on an average bug 1132588 as a required minimum performance measure.

wsmwk

  • 36.0 beta QA organized
  • triage topcrashes
  • working on HWA question bug 1131879 Disable hardware acceleration (HWA)

aceman

  • having an active week with fixing smaller backend bugs (landing right now), polishing for the release. Proud to fix long-standing dataloss bug 840418.

Question Time

Other

  • Note – meeting notes must be copied from etherpad to wiki before 5AM CET next day so that they will go public in the meeting notes blog.

Action Items

  • organize 36 beta postmortem meeting (wsmwk)
  • lightning integration meeting (rkrent/fallen)

11-February-2015

Thunderbird: 2015-02-10

Filed under: Posts — Tags: — Jesper Kristensen @ 12:00 am

Thunderbird meeting notes 2015-02-10. Previous meetings: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird/StatusMeetings#Meeting_Notes

Attendees

aceman, cloep, florian, jcranmer, Jorg K, mkmelin, Paneglab, rkent, Roland, sshagarwal, wsmwk, MakeMyDay

Action items from last meetings

  • wsmwk to get in touch with Standard8 re: beta.
    • done – bkerensa and sylvestre are on it
  • rkent to work with Standard8 (and Fallen) on issues of 1.management of tracking flags and 2. pushing into aurora and beta for TB 38. (meeting generally agreed that mkmelin and rkent would be appropriate to manage pushing patches forward into aurora and beta).

Critical Issues

Critical bugs. Please leave these here until they’re confirmed fixed.

  • Auto-complete improvements – some of those could go into esr31

Release Issues

  • Current beta blocked due to Windows XP failures. rkent has try server configuration that can test a beta build, and will try Standard8’s suggestions.

Upcoming

  • Thunderbird 38 moves to Earlybird ~ February 24, 2015

We need people to commit to being mentors.

Lightning to Thunderbird Integration

See https://calendar.etherpad.mozilla.org/thunderbird-integration

  • As underpass has pointed out repeatedly (thanks for your patience!) , we need to rewrite / heavily modify the lightning articles on support.mozilla.org. let me know irc: rolandtanglao on #tb-support-crew or rtanglao AT mozilla.com OR simply start editing the articles

Round Table

JosiahOne

  • So I started a new job recently, but because of that plus school, my time for TB stuff is very, very low. I will continue doing ui-reviews and reviews, but implementing anything has pretty much come to an end until summer break.

wsmwk

  • release management https://etherpad.mozilla.org/XxBwrpMHKz
  • disable HWA for 38? it has been suggested by someone in support to disable because “3d acceleration … does little or nothing for Thunderbird but messes menus, font and causes crashes (the kind with no crash reporter reports).” bug 1131879

rkent

  • Hot bugs
    • bug 1125577 – startup crash in NSSCryptoContext_FindCertificateByEncodedCertificate (and similar bug 1128614)
    • bug 1124015 – Add UI to select maildir for storage when creating accounts
    • bug 1119529 – Sending message succeeds but Error “error while running message filters on it.”
  • Unfortunately a long review queue that I will be looking at for the next few days.
  • I now have access to Thunderbird ADI data. Our ADI reached a new peak last month (in spite of SlashDot assuming “Thunderbird usage is dropping”) and Japan has now surpassed US as #2 country (after Germany).

jcranmer

  • Hopefully going to work down my review queue by this weekend
  • Main jsmime perf regression fixes are r? rkent
  • I have a non-promisified version of OAuth2, but still no UI hookup
  • Mozharness-based mozmill tests: I’ve updated the runner, need to make updates to three or four repositories to make it work
    • Trying to get this in progress for Thunderbird 38, so we don’t need to maintain the old mozmill buildbot stuff for ESR
  • I’ve been doing some work with the emailjs team to add functionality to their SMTP libraries (specifically with regards to SASL) that we could share between TB/Whiteout.io/Gaia email teams.

TheOne

Jorg K

I have an XP machine (32 bit), I could run (not build) and debug (with WinDbg) the beta, if that’s of any help. I’d need to know where do download it … and the mentioned suggestions to try. (Contact via e-mail to start off).

mkmelin

  • autocomplete:
    • the critical regressions fixed
    • 3 prominent complaints still not done: the “tab too quickly doesn’t complete”, “show as red even if found”, “insert link missing paste url in context menu”
    • ordering: now landed on esr, some complaints still, need to investigate

Question Time

I’d like to know what happened to the “Thunderbird Discussions with Mozilla”, ie. the letter that was meant to be sent to the Mozilla management, re. funding, donations, staffing, etc. There was a lively discussion on the tb-planning mailing list in early January 2015.

  • won’t happen before 38 branching

Support team

  • As underpass has pointed out, we need to rewrite all the Lightning articles, they are out of date whether or not we finish the integration for TB 38. email me or irc roland or just edit the articles (see above under “Lightning to Thunderbird integration”. Tonnes do you have time to write some of these Lightning articles in English?

Other

  • Note – meeting notes must be copied from etherpad to wiki before 5AM CET next day so that they will go public in the meeting notes blog.

(Extra) Meeting next Tuesday, Feb 17.

Action Items

-none-

19-November-2014

Thunderbird: 2014-11-18

Filed under: Posts — Tags: — Jesper Kristensen @ 12:00 am
   Thunderbird meeting notes 2014-11-18

Previous meetings: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird/StatusMeetings#Meeting_Notes

Attendees

(partial list)
rkent
florian
wsmwk
jcranmer
mmelin
aceman
theone
clokep
roland

Action items from last meetings

  • wsmwk: Get the Thunderbird 38 bugzilla flag created
    • not heard from standard8

Critical Issues

  • Several critical bugs keeping us from moving from 24 to 31. Please leave these here until they’re confirmed fixed.
    • Frequent POP3 crasher bug 902158 On current aurora and beta?
      • we won’t have data/insight till next week, assuming the relevant builds are built. crash-stats for nightly builds is not useful – direct user testing of the fixed build is required
    • Self-signed certs are having difficulty bug 1036338 SOLVED! REOPENED according to the bug?
    • Auto-complete bugs?bug 1045753 waiting for esr approval bug 1043310 Waiting for review, still
    • Auto-complete improvements (bug 970456, bug 1091675, bug 118624) – some of those could go into esr31
    • bug 1045958TB 31 jp does not display folder pane with OS X

Why are we throttled? Because 1) waiting for TB 31.3, and 2) still hoping for bug 1045958 3) need auto-complete bug approved. Dec 1/2 is now release date.

Upcoming

Round Table

wsmwk

  • got Penelope (pre-OSE eudora) removed from AMO
  • shepherding [1] bug 1045958]]TB 31 jp does not display folder pane with OS X
  • secured potential release drivers
  • “Get Involved” is broken for Thunderbird. TB isn’t offered at https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/contribute/signup/, and it’s unclear who in Thunderbird gets notified. In contact with

Larissa Shapiro

jcranmer

  • Looking into eliminating the comm-central build system bug 1099430
  • Trying to see if I can get some whines set up to listen for potential TB compat changes (e.g., checking the addon-compat keyword)
  • We have telemetry on Nightly for the first time since TB 28!
  • Irving is working through reviews of bug 998191 \o/

clokep

  • Google Talk does not work on comm-central due to disabling of RC4 SSL ciphers, see bug 1092701
    • Some of the security guys have contacted Googlers, apparently an internal ticket was opened with the XMPP team
  • Filed a bug (with a patch) to have firefoxtree work with comm-central, this will automatically add a tag (called “comm”) to the tip of comm-central bug 1100692 and is useful if you’re playing with bookmarks instead of mq
  • Still haven’t fully been able to get Additional Chat Protocols to compile…(Windows still failing)
  • WebRTC work is waiting for reviews from Florian

mkmelin

  • lots of reviews, queue almost empty, yay!
  • finally landed bug 970456
  • bug 1074125 fixed, plan to handle some of the m-c encoding removals next
  • bug 1074793 fixed, for tb we need to set a pref for it to take affect (bug 1095893 awaiting review)

aceman

  • revived effort on 4GB+ folders together with rkent
  • landed a rewrite of the attachment reminder engine: bug 938829 (NOT for ESR). Please mark regressions against that bug. First one is bug 1099866.

Support team

  • [roland] working on Thunderbird profile article because a new volunteer contributor from the SUMO buddy program rewrote it! will review changes!

Action Items

  • wsmwk: Thunderbird start page for anniversary, with localizations
  • wsmwk: Get Involved, get the “Thunderbird path” operating

22-September-2014

Thunderbird: 2014-09-11

Filed under: Posts — Tags: — Jesper Kristensen @ 4:19 pm

Thunderbird meeting notes 2014-09-11
Today’s minutes taker, please don’t forget to :
– save etherpad before clearing for this meeting, if etherpad wasn’t previously cleared (but copy “Action items” to the top before clearing)
– after end of meeting, copy entire etherpad contents to a new dated wiki page on http://mzl.la/tbstatus so that they will go public in the meeting notes blog.
– save etherpad, copy “Action items” to “Action items from last meetings”, and clear the rest of etherpad comments

Attendees

  • rkent, florian queze, irving, rolandtanglao, magnus

Action items from last meetings

  • rkent and wsmwk to unblock / deal with bienvenu bugs

Current status and discussions

  • no progress on “bienvenu” bugs
  • comm-central changes on hold pending mercurial changes and signoff by smedberg
  • discussion about kent’s modification to Thunderbird governance proposal is positive
  • much work on summit and video from mconley and rkent
  • summit agenda planning, rkent to ask in tb-planning

Round Table

jcranmer

  • Likely won’t be at meeting today, one of my meetings changed time slots to start 30m before this one
  • according to gps, hg partial checkouts are targetted to land 3.2, more likely to land in 3.3 (release dates of Nov 1/Feb 1, respectively)
    • bsmedberg has said this is his blocker for letting c-c merge into m-c
    • gps plans to make it a high priority to update to newer hg quickly, and now has a new role to make that more possible
  • Played with putting OpenLDAP server in a Docker container

JosiahOne (Not at meeting)

  • Have done reviews and have been giving feedback in bugs, but personal development time has slowed. My development machine has to have a part replaced on Saturday plus I have papers and college applications to finish this month, so availability will be limited until around the time of the Summit.
  • OS X Codesign V2 status is coming along, I’m mostly just waiting for a finished version of the Fx implementation.

rkent

  • Summit: we really need a group of people to work on the agenda. Volunteers?
  • Discussion of reorg plan?

mconley

  • Now acting as interface between TB community and ProTravel Inc
    • The attendees list has been garnered from the wiki, along with 2 extras from Fallen and Florian for Calendar / Chat. Waiting to hear from a few more.
  • Re-connected with Aaron Mandel about a fundraising video. Quote is approximately $600 (+tax), since he likes Mozilla and wants to give us a deal
    • We need to find a good variety (accents, countries of origin, languages) members of the TB community who are comfortable / articulate in front of the camera (about 5-7 people), and come up with “our story”. I suggested our audience be current TB users who don’t actually know what’s happening with Thunderbird.
    • Quickly talk about where Thunderbird came from, the transition to community development, and where we are now – and why we need help. Instead of just talking heads, these interviews will be interspersed with shots of people checking their email, doing calendaring, chatting, etc.
    • We need the quick and punchy stuff: “Put users in control of their email”, “Your email is yours, even when you’re offline”, “Lots of tweaks and add-ons for power users”
    • We also need to send Aaron TB art / assets for graphical work.
    • Once we have our story, we’ll put together a really basic script, so we know who to put in front of the camera, and what questions to ask.
    • Then, I’ll meet with Aaron face-to-face 2 weeks before we shoot to make sure we have everything we need
    • During the summit (probably the Friday), we’ll pull our 5-7 people aside, ask them the questions we’ve scripted (maybe several times to get the sound bites we want), and then Aaron will cut together the video.

clokep (Not attending)

  • Been in contact with some of the DarkMail developers, have been trying to get them to ask questions in #maildev, but they seem to like to ask through me.
    • They’ve said things like “Random people don’t get answers there”
    • More likely they’re working during times when “we’re” not online.

Support team

Action Items

  • mconley: Come up with a short-list of volunteers to go on camera, send out emails with questions on them to get responses, find the responses that resonate, and from that, assemble our script.

8-January-2014

Thunderbird: 2014-01-07

Filed under: Posts — Tags: — Jesper Kristensen @ 12:00 am

Thunderbird meeting notes 2014-01-07
Minute taker – don’t forget to save a revision of the pad before clearing it for next use.
Please don’t forget to post on wiki.mozilla.org after the end of the meeting so that they will go public in the meeting notes blog.

Attendees

  • rkent, florian, jcranmer, Roland, JosiahOne, mkmelin

Action items from last meetings

  • [mconley] Put together an Etherpad for contributor badge categories and graphics

    • Make sure each badge has an explicit, once-sentence goal.

Friends of the tree

Current status and discussions

  • mconley still did not put together this etherpad!

  • Chat updates in brief:
    • Instantbird now uses bugzilla.mozilla.org

    • instantbird front-end code will be merged into comm-central in a folder named im/
    • GPL code (libpurple + glue code) would be in a separate repository
      • This would make it easier to develop the add-on for TB as well

Upcoming

Round Table

clokep/florian

  • Finally completed the 6th chat/ merge of IB -> c-c (bug 920801)

    • Dealt with a couple of minor bugs from this (bugs 956487 and 956767)
  • Planning to do another chat/ merge of IB -> c-c soon
  • Merged the Instantbird bugzilla into Mozilla’s bugzilla (bug 749586): sorry for the bugspam
    • Includes a “Chat core” component for code shared between Thunderbird and Instantbird

      • Need to resolve duplicates and move bugs to their proper components
  • Filed bug to merge the Instantbird UI into c-c (bug 956609)
    • Hoping to finish this merge by the end of the week

    • Will likely close the tree for a few hours once we are ready to land

jcranmer

  • Windows builds almost work on Alder (down to a packaging failure)

    • Pymake’s shell quoting is annoying

    • bug 957720 is the tracking for work needed to get windows builds green
  • Goal is to finish cc-rework by the end of January:
    • Still need to ensure unit test configs work in new setup

    • Unresolved OS X Universal builds failure
    • Unresolved Windows packaging failure
    • Need to land bug 957720, bug 944952
  • More talk about killing RDF, so returning to working on bug 441437
  • Had a wonderful winter weather in Chicago followed by a bitterly cold weekend here in Urbana

JosiahOne (Left meeting early)

  • Did a lot of reviews, still have more to do. (Paenglab’s been knocking out bugs left and right.)

    • If you have flagged me for review, I plan to finish reviews this week.
  • Created several shared CSS files for theme with no regressions so far.
  • Landed a bunch of minor theme improvements
    • Removed the grain texture that has been causing issues. Bug 935023.
  • My plan now is actually to start doing less theme stuff and move to Cocoa and JS-based Front end.

mkmelin

  • bug 953426 expose remote content per-host privileges

  • bug 956586 get rid of FillInHTMLTooltip which is now in a binding (and bug 331772)

Question Time

Other

  • Q12014: We are (finally) moving the Knowledge Base from support.mozillamessaging.com to support.mozilla.org & from getstatisfaction to support.mozilla.org forums [roland]

11-December-2013

Thunderbird: 2013-12-10

Filed under: Posts — Tags: — Jesper Kristensen @ 12:00 am

Thunderbird meeting notes 2013-12-10
Minute taker – don’t forget to save a revision of the pad before clearing it for next use.
Please don’t forget to post on wiki.mozilla.org after the end of the meeting so that they will go public in the meeting notes blog.

Attendees

  • mconley, irving, jcranmer, paenglab, rolandtanglao, aceman, mkmelin, sshagarwal, javirueda

Action items from last meetings

  • none

Friends of the tree

  • nobody nominated but i am 100% somebody did something awesome

Current status and discussions

  • mconley: can we create an open contributor badge for TB contributors?

    • Friends of the tree, new contributor, I lost the list of because I’m not a fast typer

    • Need graphics or something or thing
    • Roland knows how to do it, so give him the graphics that we need. Goals, graphics, and people to award the badges to.

Critical Issues

  • Bug 948555 – Core graphics fix broke us in the last merge, but jcranmer is on it – we’ve essentially lost all OS X Mozmill tests. :/

Upcoming

Round Table

mconley

  • Still no takers on my Ensemble call for help – although I’ve responded to email asking how it currently works

  • Took another chunk out of my review queue this past weekend! \o/ I’ll have another opportunity this evening or tomorrow evening.
    • Part of my review queue includes needinfo?’s from tessarakt’s questions from the last meeting

jcranmer

  • Review queue is backed up, apologies

  • Hoping to land bug 842632… when bug 948555 is fixed (:-( @ m-c bustage)
  • Alder is green on 5/8 trees!
    • OS X opt broken due to universal build + nsinstall + ldap headaches

    • Windows requires a lot more investigation to fix
  • Will have spotty internet access and work times from ~Dec 21-Dec 29, and likely to be overloaded until Jan 14 with school stuff

Paenglab (no Mic)

  • Used a bit TB with dark Persona and found two bugs:

    • Bug 948384 – No chat icon when unreadMessages=”true” with dark Personas.

    • Bug 948568 – Use inverted chat toolbar icons with dark Personas.
  • Around christmas will look to update TB’s tabs to Fx Australis implementation.

Question Time

Other

  • Q12014: We are (finally) moving the Knowledge Base from support.mozillamessaging.com to support.mozilla.org & from getstatisfaction to support.mozilla.org forums [roland]

Action Items

  • [mconley] Put together an Etherpad for contributor badge categories and graphics

    • Make sure each badge has an explicit, 1-sentence goal.

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