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Firefox/Gecko Delivery Planning: 2015-09-02

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Schedule & Progress onUpcoming Releases (Liz/Sylvestre/Lawrence/Ritu)

  • 40
    • Intent to ship an hotfix for bug 1197944
      • change the value of pref “network.auth.allow-subresource-auth” from 1 to 2
  • 41
    • Desktop and Mobile 41.0b6 pushed on 09/01
    • Gtb Desktop 41.0b7 Thursday 09/03

Feedback Summary (Rob/Tyler/Matt)

No updates

Questions, Comments, FYI

New meeting schedule:

Planning Meeting Details

  • Wednesdays – 11:00am PT, 18:00 UTC
  • Mountain View Offices: Warp Core Conference Room
  • Toronto Offices: Finch Conference Room
  • #planning for backchannel
  • (the developer meeting takes place on Tuesdays)

Video/Teleconference Details – NEW


Channel: 2015-09-01

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sylvestre, lmandel, lizzard, kbrosnan, dougt, ritu, kairo, milan, bhearsum, rrayborn, jlund, ashughes, roland

Schedule Update

  • 41
    • Fennec: Beta6 pushed to play store
    • Desktop: QE Sign offs done, waiting for push to beta-cdntest and update testing
    • EARLY_BETA_OR_EARLIER just landed (will be in beta 7)
  • 40
    • Nothing to report!


  • No updates.



  • Overall rate: 4.1; browser: 1.2, content: 2.9
  • Did go down, then rise again, probably bug 1199794 to a good part (see below)
  • Nightly miraculously has a slightly better (lower) crash rate than Dev Edition now


  • Overall rate: 0.94 (rising somewhat)
  • bug 1199794 (current_stream_delay) is 3.7% of 41.0b5 data, fix uplifted for b6
  • bug 1158189 (HTTP shutdownhangs) is 2%, still hoping to get bug 1152046 as that hopefully will help
  • bug 1178271 (dom::Promise::Settle) is 1.4%, still unclear what’s up there
  • bug 1196696 (MediaFormatReader::DecoderData::ResetDemuxer) is 0.9%, patch in b6


  • Overall rate: 0.9 (unchanged)
  • bug 1198884 (ubuntu, GStreamer 1.0)
  • bug 1189940 (Nvidia) still #1 Win10 issue


  • Beta rate ~3, Release rate 1.3
  • Release rate has dropped over the last few months from 1.7-1.8 to 1.3



  • push to beta slightly delayed due to issues with test CI machine


  • disabling e10s for the last one/two weeks of the aurora cycle?
    • people might be confused by disabling e10s
    • we want a clean beta 1
    • action: Sylvestre will contact the e10s team to discuss with them

Special Topics

Aurora/Beta Feature Review

  • Allow Heartbeat to target Private Browsing Mode users (bug 1184338)
    • Partially Landed in 41.0b6
    • Server-side changes are next
  • Importing Edge cookies, favorites/bookmarks (bug 1192032)
    • Landed in 41.0b6
    • Softvision found an issue with this: bug 1200598
  • MSE blanket uplift not landed yet: found a regression ( )

Post-Mortem (Tues 2wks from GA Release)

Channel Meeting Details

Video/Teleconference Details – NEW

  • 650-903-0800 or 650-215-1282 x92 Conf# 99951 (US/INTL)
  • 1-800-707-2533 (pin 369) Conf# 99951 (US)
  • Vidyo Room: ReleaseCoordination
  • Vidyo Guest URL

Firefox Status: 2015-09-01

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Actions from last meeting

  • None

General Topics / Roundtable

(tips/tricks/FYI, productivity improvements, industry news)

Friends of the Firefox team

(Give a shoutout/thanks to people for helping fix and test bugs.)

  • Resolved bugs (excluding employees):
    • More than one bug fixed:
      • Aryx [:archaeopteryx][:aryx]
      • Marina Rodríguez [:mai]
      • Steffen Wilberg
      • aleth [:aleth]
      • rthyberg

Project Updates

Go Faster

  • Support for loading system add-ons shipped with the application should land this week
  • Updating system add-ons mid-cycle to follow


  • Working on a visual refresh of the entire UI – desktop & standalone.
  • Next up: if you click your own link, we’ll open it up in a conversation window as if you’d clicked it from the Hello menu.


  • Deploying a heartbeat survey within the next week on 41+ to measure data on private browsing if the user opts-in to via the info bar. The survey will get a baseline in 41 and compare that with 42+ which has tracking protection.
  • A diary study will also soon be taking place to get a different type of feedback on tracking protection
  • Intern presentation: “Firefox Helps You Log In” Presented by Bernardo Rittmeyer
    • This is the last week of Bernardo’s internship.
  • Working on final fixes to let search suggestions ride the trains, accessibility is being a particular issue

Windows 10

  • Continuing work on data migrators from Edge. Check QA/Firefox_migrators if you’re ever interested in knowing what we can migrate and to find related bugs.


SeaMonkey: 2015-09-01

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  • Who’s taking minutes? -> TBD
  • Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
    • TBD

Action Items

(who needs to do what that hasn’t been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.


  • Need to port Sync 2.0 to SeaMonkey – IanN to talk to ewong about options.


  • bug 1198340 The carousel within Add-On Manager can be used for SeaMonkey specific content. TO DO: Find out what sort of format AMO needs for the carousel. Get our webdev person to create necessary content. Submit content for upload to AMO.
  • bug 1121281 tracks the RelEng automation migration off CVS. Everything is now in a single repo, patches for using that new repo are awaiting a review from Callek.


Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree

  • Notes:
    • Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as bug 1092468 and bug 1108970. Migrating our Windows builders to Win2008 and our compiler toolchain to VS2013 would likely solve this and other bustages.
    • There are also some upcoming changes to L10n build system in Q1 2015 (bug 1107635).
    • Buildmaster is up and running, and produces en-US builds, see 9/16 meeting’s Friends of the Fish Tank. Builds and langpacks in 18 languages including en-US are available unofficially thanks to A.Kalla.
    • bug 1083689 Langpacks aren’t updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren’t uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).
    • For various reasons we don’t have a working SeaMonkey Treeherder.
    • wrt bug 1155011, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on bug 1155013 require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.
  • [1st September 2015]
    • All trees:
      • Windows platform still busted due to needing Win2008R2 installed.
      • We have a loaner which ewong is working on (see blog for more information).
    • comm-central & comm-aurora:
  • See RelEng page for the RelEng status history.

Release Train

  • SeaMonkey 2.33.1 was released on 23 March and is the most recent release.
  • Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: Releases Scheduling
    • merge day was 10 August as scheduled
  • SeaMonkey 2.35 release:
    • (ewong) is expected this week, along with, hopefully, 2.38 beta. Due to certificate server issues, we need to do a beta release from 2.38 at the latest (2.39 would have problems).

SeaMonkey 2.35 Release

  • We plan to release SeaMonkey 2.35 asap in August. We missed this deadline but should have a release this week (September).
    • For windows builds, we have a loaner win machine from Mozilla for us (i.e. ewong) to do manual window builds.
    • (ewong): Suggesting early September, but we shall see.
  • I have done nothing on the Nightlies/Aurora as I’ve been concentrating on getting Win32 builds and repacks done.
    • The Win32 2.35 release builds was completed on Friday (28th August 2015).
    • The 2.35 l10n Win32 repacks were done on late Sunday/Early Monday (30th/31st August 2015)
      • The busted l10n linux/osx repacks (ca, fi, ja(linux), ja-JP-mac(osx), sv-SE, pt-PT) were retriggered on Monday 31st August 2015.

Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking

  • See Basics page. Please only list current changes here.
  • Addon Compatibility Listings
  • We are looking for a new place to host the Addon Compatibility Listings for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in this post.
  • Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey
    This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf – it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there’s only so much an automated tool like that can do.
    • Lemon Juice continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [1].
    • looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [2], bug 1145026.
    • Rainer Bielefeld will no longer update the list of Firefox addons that have been successfully converted by the Addon Converter. — Rrbd (talk) 09:59, 16 August 2015 (PDT)
    • Ratty filed bug 1130390 to add a link on to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.
  • The Thunderbird team is now shipping Lightning with Thunderbird. IanN will work on shipping lightning too. Related bugs:
    • bug 516026 Integrate Lightning Into SeaMonkey by Default and Ship SeaMonkey with Lightning Enabled
    • bug 1130854 Package Lightning with Thunderbird for c-c and c-a builds.
    • bug 1113183 Integrate Lightning Into Thunderbird by Default.
    • bug 1130852 Add opt-in dialog to promote Calendar integration [Thunderbird].
  • Proposed replacement for Venkman for shipping with SeaMonkey: Tiny JavaScript Debugger. TinyJSD is a JavaScript debugger for privileged code running Mozilla products like Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey. It serves to debug the application as well as extensions written in JavaScript.
    • IanN filed bug 1133723 Investigate options for replacing Venkman with the TinyJSDebugger.

2.x (Last, Current, Next)


open tracking (0)
tracking requests (1)
targeted (0)
fixed (21)


open tracking (1)
tracking requests (2)
targeted (0)
fixed (45)


open tracking (0)
tracking requests (0)
targeted (0)
fixed (7)

  • SeaMonkey 2.36 Release Notes (yet to come)
  • SEAMONKEY_2_36_RELEASE_BRANCH has been established in comm-release.
  • [Ratty] We will probably skip to SeaMonkey 2.38 after releasing SeaMonkey 2.35.


  • Stalled. Needs a kick.
    • bug 815954 Click-to-Play: Port bug 812562 (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).
    • bug 476108 GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].
  • Current breakages:
  • Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:
    • Change to Safe Browsing
    • Change of printing API bug 1146454 needs to be ported, immediate bustage was fixed in bug 1190344.
      • IanN is working on migrating comm-central to the new API [bug 1195863].
    • Firefox is currently changing styles of several Toolkit pages
      • already affected: config.xul for about:config, bug 1125636
      • Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: bug 1097111 – SeaMonkey tracking in bug 1133743
      • Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles
      • Fallout thus far: bug 1133380 about:privatebrowsing (Default), bug 1133582 about:config (Modern)
      • further work to separate function from style in CSS for about:privatebrowsing in bug 1178008 (3rd-party themes)
      • Ratty restored about:privatebrowsing UI to before it was messed up by Project Chameleon styles [bug 1192276]
    • Our front end Sync UI needs to be updated as the old backend has gone away. See: New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly. Tracked in:
      • bug 998807 Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
      • bug 1003434 Add support for about:sync-progress.
    • A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.
    • bug 566746 (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:
      • bug 912031 Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite.
    • bug 769764 move proxy resolution to separate thread and remove sync api. Tracked in:
      • MailNews bug 791645 Rewrite calls to synchronous nsIProtocolProxyService::DeprecatedBlockingResolve with Async code before DeprecatedBlockingResolve disappears as well.
    • The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.
    • bug 825588 Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and bug 851471 Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:
      • bug 888915 Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. Neil has a WIP patch on hand.
    • Removal of SSL 3.0 support after POODLE Attack with 2.36, see bug 1106470.
      • bug 1137991 has removed SSL 3.0 checkbox from SSL preferences
      • bug 1149581 covers removal of the related strings
      • Firefox has proceeded with the removal in 39.0 given that Chrome goes the same way [3]
    • We’ve picked up he default for security.tls.version.min from Mozilla Core, but security.tls.version.fallback-limit is new. So we need to consider adding the latter to our preferences UI (bug 1123673).
      • Currently unclear whether or not this should be done after bug 1084025 disable insecure TLS version fallback entirely by default [4]
      • alternative proposal is to make whitelist for acceptable fallback sites available in the UI, which seems to make more sense.

Feature List, Planning

Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: 17 new, 8 fixed, 18 triaged.

  • Medium-low triaging effort, low number of new bugs filed.
  • IanN thinks it would be useful to remind people on the newsgroups / forums that they can contribute by triaging. Tonymec will post a reminder to newsgroups / forums. See bug 1092632 (Sm_tri_HowTo) Document how to triage SeaMonkey bugs.
    • The draft is currently at
    • Progress is stalled due to hardware/firmware problems with Tonymec’s current computer. Current ETA for newer computer is after Easter but this is a rough estimate. Anyone with a wikimoz account can edit the page (and is welcome to). — Tonymec (talk) 17:35, 21 January 2015 (PST)

Open reviews/flags:
49 review
5 super-review
5 ui-review
13 feedback

  • See Feature List page for major wanted/needed features.
  • TODO:
    • bug 1127784 proposes to add a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions.
      • FIXED has landed, with UI seen in non-release builds only
      • but uncertain if it does anything useful to be tested

Roundtable – Personal Status Updates

Status Updates from developers – what are you working on, what’s the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).


  • Usual testing, reviewing, commenting and approving.
  • Fixed:
  • Fixed for c-c:
  • Fixed for m-c:
  • Fixed for m-i/fx-i:
  • Pending tree opening:
  • Pending approval for check in:
  • Checked in pending review:
  • Waiting for feedback/review/information:
    • bug 1061348 Port |bug 575283 – Cleanup mozconfig files on all platforms| to SeaMonkey
    • bug 1163441 Use FINAL_TARGET_FILES and DIST_FILES for Thunderbird themes
    • bug 1195129 Port |bug 1027890 – Remove all sorts of build system code dedicated to pymake| and |bug 1082323 – Reject pymake in| to comm-central
    • bug 1195246 Port changes from |bug 1188766 – sccache setup with UPLOAD_EXTRA_FILES makes some files uploaded multiple times| to comm-central
    • bug 1195258 Port |bug 710147 – Pass more targets from to the build system| and |bug 911936 – Kill make depend| to comm-central
    • bug 1195264 Port |bug 741839 – consolidate $(wildcard calls) to reduce overhead| and parts of |bug 774106 – Change how virtualenv is populated| to comm-central
    • bug 1195331 Port |bug 762358 – .mozconfig changes don’t cause configure to run| to comm-central
  • Fixing review comments before checkin:
    • bug 757230 When using add button for permissions in Data Manager set a displayHost
    • bug 798147 Switch to correct pref pane if pref window already open
  • Working on:
    • bug 1200199 Update en-GB for Gecko 41
    • bug 1101381 Printing throws error: DEPRECATION WARNING: getWebBrowserPrint is now deprecated, and fully unsupported for multi-process browsers. Please use a frame script to get access to nsIWebBrowserPrint from content
    • bug 1190179 Port |bug 1067325 – Add an option to view html source in a tab| to SeaMonkey
    • bug 1051642 Allow for flat chrome format when packaging extensions
    • bug 943335 [TB] Update icons used in searchplugins (Yahoo, eBay, Wikipedia, Amazon, Bing, Twitter)
    • Various SM Council documents.
    • bug 606683 Allow customization of toolbar in Composer and MailNews Composition
    • bug 639690 [META] Re-arrange code between editor and editorOverlay
    • bug 773979 [META] Switch to new drag and drop api in SeaMonkey
    • bug 657234 Move pasteQuote and pasteNoFormatting into contentAreaContextOverlay
    • File/Folder selection in windows.
  • To Do:
    • bug 639395 Get cmd_fontSize to reflect current state of selected content / content at caret.
    • Prefs-in-a-tab.
    • Create FAQ for Friends of the Fish Tank.
    • Help get composer standalone builds working with –enable-tests.


Sorry, I’ve not done much at all this fortnight due to illness.


Has Review. Waiting for a greener tree before checking in:

  • bug 507676 Port bug 435804 Remaining rdf cleanup for FilterListDialog| to SeaMonkey.
  • bug 640420 Add draggable splitter between urlbar and searchbar.
  • bug 1176602 Make sure that the dictionary stored in spellchecker.dictionary is valid (Adapt Thunderbird bug 1175908).
  • bug 1192276 Restore about:privatebrowsing UI to before it was messed up by Project Chameleon styles.


  • bug 1196422 error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol GetAsciiHostPort(class nsACString_internal &) [MailNewsCore].

In Progress:

  • bug 1011857 Implement CustomizableUI shim for SeaMonkey.
  • bug 1022354 SeaMonkey forces 3rd-party themes to not use defaultFavicon.png but hardcode a bookmarks-item.png.
    • bug 1189918 Theme overrides should work in safe mode for comm-central applications too. [Toolkit]
    • bug 1190465 Move default theme overrides into separate chrome.manifest for other non-firefox toolkit consumers too. [Toolkit].
    • Thunderbird defaut theme overrides.

Other stuff:

  • Did some reviews and approvals.
  • Bug triage and Bug discussions.
  • Usual end user support and PR in newsgroups and Mozillazine.

Any other business?

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