Meeting Notes Meetings notes from the Mozilla community


Mobile Meeting Minutes: 2010-08-04

Filed under: Posts — Tags: — Jesper Kristensen @ 11:00 pm


From MozillaWiki


  • Wednesdays – 9:30am Pacific, 12:30pm Eastern, 16:30 UTC
  • 650-903-0800 or 650-215-1282 x92 Conf# 8605 (US/INTL)
  • 1-800-707-2533 (pin 369) Conf# 8605 (US)
  • #mobile for backchannel


Major Topics for This Week


UX design




  • jchen has made very good progress on IME related bugs, should land when the tree opens up
  • IME interactions with content still need love, this is a cross platform issue
  • protocol handlers reviewed by bz, but they’re broken for all platforms by e10s, should resolve that before landing


  • bug 568054 has a patch for a scriptable API for freezing/throttling the content process, need feedback

General Platform

Geolocation Working Group

  • We are most likely attenting a face to face in Nov.



  • Plugging along, no substantive updates.


  • 556487 plugin layers – lot of oranges are known and mostly fixed. still need to solve Layer-pluginParent API issue


  • Patch for InstallTrigger (bug 550936) causes a 4% Txul slowdown – investigating


  • waiting for redirect, xhr, suspend/resume.





Release Engineering

  • newly updated priorities page
  • Fixed a recurring issue with the nightly deb repos
  • n810/n900 status
    • still need fixes for these:
      • bug 579186 Mozilla-central N810 builds do not launch (GLIBCXX_3.4.9 not found)
      • bug 582336 (IT) Frequent “no route to host” in RF room — main cause of reds.
    • aki tried the patches here but mixed results:
      • bug 578343 talos needs to be retrofitted for e10s
      • bug 575506 trunk maemo fennec builds not exiting talos profile creation since 6/23
      • bug 582997 fennecmark needs to be updated for e10s



  • bugs filed on the Fennec product over the past week
  • litmus reports triaged
  • E-mails to devs should have been sent out for qa coverage on 2.0 features
    • We have litmus test case coverage on Find In Page and Form Assistant Refresh
  • bug notes
    • bug 581532 – Pages now load again with browser.tabs.remote=true, so testing again with that enabled. I’m getting crashes when closing tabs, in that case, though.
    • bug 581168 – blocks testing on multitouch feature
    • TileCaching vs. Layers
      • update: bug 552809 – Intermittent black boxes from asyncDrawXULElement, addresses much of these issues, and should be marked as a blocker to bugs filed



Firefox/Gecko Delivery Meeting Minutes: 2010-08-04

Filed under: Posts — Tags: — Jesper Kristensen @ 11:00 pm


From MozillaWiki

« previous week | index | next week »

Firefox/Gecko Delivery Meeting Details

  • Wednesdays – 11:00am Pacific, 2:00pm Eastern, 18:00 UTC
  • Mountain View Offices: Warp Core Conference Room
  • Toronto Offices: Fin du Monde Conference Room
  • 650-903-0800 or 650-215-1282 x92 Conf# 8605 (US/INTL)
  • 1-800-707-2533 (pin 369) Conf# 8605 (US)
  • #planning for backchannel
  • (the developer meeting takes place on Tuesdays)

These notes are read by people who weren’t able to attend the meeting. Please make sure to include links and context so they can be understood.


  • actions from last week:
  • schedule and progress on upcoming releases
  • review highlights and notices
  • respond to questions and concerns
  • Action Items
    • beltzner to follow-up with engagement

Schedule & Progress on Upcoming Releases

Firefox 3.5.12 / Firefox 3.6.9

  • schedule posted
    • Code-freeze is on a Thursday rather than Friday as it’s too hard to get people to converge on a Friday
  • should also include new locales

Firefox 4.0 Beta 3

  • code freeze on Monday, tree frozen as we stabilize, bad regressions from Sync
  • release likely delayed to next Monday or Tuesday
  • major features
    • new JS values – could affect add-ons that use JSAPI
    • OSX uses UNIX filesystem code instead of OSX filesystem code
    • SQLite 3.7.0 backed out due to regressions
    • Sync UI built in backed out due to regressions
    • complete changelist here


  • Fennec 2.0 alpha 1 Code freeze is targeting next tuesday, 8/10
  • but date is iffy, as there are concerns that the builds are still unstable (f10s pieces still need landing, known issues with layers work, Android has large patches coming
  • Mobile work week Aug 16-20 in mv. Scratchpad of topics.

Jetpack SDK 0.7

  • focus is on additional APIs, E10S compatibility and integration
  • freezes Tuesday, August 17
  • tentative release date Wednesday, August 25

Add-on (a.k.a. 1.0a3)

Fx Input

Input 1.6

  • went out!
  • New Features: Clusters, URL submission on happy forms, some wording changes

Input 1.6.1

  • new ETA is Friday, 8/6
  • New Features: Sites, Searching only with messages with URLs

Test Pilot studies

  • Firefox 4 Beta Interface Study
    • Ended July 29 (or a few days thereafter for most users)
    • 60K + user submissions as of noon, August 3
  • Beta Background Survey responses being received with Interface study submissions
  • Analysis of these 2 sets of data in progress
    • “What does our population of beta users looks like” findings in the next few day
    • Heatmap of new interface end of this week/beginning of next week
    • Potential for some of these results to be highlighted in the Beta 3 blog post depending on timing (Laura and Mayumi)
  • Next studies
    • Search Study
    • Configuration Study (w/Damon)
    • Tab Study
    • Awesome Bar Behavior Study (Limi)

Highlights / Notices

Notes or issues that don’t correspond to a particular release you’d like people to know about.

  • Beta 2 Feedback
    • Generally positive feedback on App Tabs and Speed. Primarily UI feedback
    • Main Issues:
      • Feedback button disappears
      • Flash games noticeably slower
      • App tabs should indicate change of state bug 577096
      • App Tabs don’t stay after a session is closed bug 580512
      • Cant drag App Tabs, new tabs sometimes appear on the right, sometimes on the left
  • Our Recommendations for outstanding bugs in the way of a broader push:
    • Facebook games/chat slow
    • App Tabs don’t stay after a session is closed – bug 580512
    • Close min/max buttons – bug 574833
    • Hotmail attachment – bug 581502
  • Thanks to the Community Feedback Team for all their help gathering and analyzing feedback in their locales!
  • Beta 3 l10n went out with 10 more locales, and only pt-PT unchanged. Reached out there Sunday and today, waiting for feedback on how to get better. Details on the l10n dashboard

Questions and Concerns

Please add any questions or concerns you would like discussed at today’s meeting.

  • Trying to figure out where to spend our SEM/ad dollars for the beta–what kinds of sites/types of people do we want to target with a big consumer push?
  • Please report any differences between TryServer results and mozilla-central results
    • RelEng investigating reports from mconnor and zpao, will report back

Press & Public Reactions


Thunderbird Meeting Minutes: 2010-08-03

Filed under: Posts — Tags: — Jesper Kristensen @ 11:00 pm


From MozillaWiki

last meeting | index | next meeting »

Current Release Schedules
Thunderbird 3.2

Thunderbird 3.1.2

Thunderbird 3.0.7
To Be Announced

  • Relbranch opens: July 30
  • Code & L10 freeze: Aug 2
  • Builds start: Aug 2
  • QA with builds start: Aug 3
  • Beta period starts: TBD
  • Final release: Aug 5
  • Relbranch opens: July 30
  • Code freeze: Aug 20 @ 23:59 PDT
  • L10n freeze: Aug 24 @ 23:59 PDT
  • Builds start: Aug 24
  • QA with builds start: Aug 25
  • Beta period starts: Aug 27
  • Final release: Sept 7

Thunderbird Meeting Details :

Remember to press *1 to unmute yourself before talking!


Action Items

Friends of the Tree

Thanks to our Friends of the Tree When adding someone to this section, please get their T-Shirt size and send it to so that he can send them a shirt!

Conversion Funnel (Priority 0 side project)

  • ISPDB conversion 30 – 34% – top missing domians:,,,,, adding next 20 will improve success rate by 4%
  • Funnel cake retention after 3 months still at 80%
  • Next: Experimenting with web copy on top pages in the funnel

Thunderbird Development

Feature Work

Not much – here we’ll try to get more to give more visibility.
Account provisioning work – waiting on backend API – offer email to new users.


  • Initial tb-planning thread, quick summary:
    • 3.2 based off a comm-1.9.2 with mozilla-1.9.2 with limited back-ported features and fixes.
    • Would allow some API changes (many for extensions benefit) and string changes.
    • Next trunk release would be after FF 4 ships, possibly as little as one month, depending on what state our trunk is in, features landed etc.
  • Extra work if the branch would be setup now.

Major updates to 3.1

  • 3.1.2 underway; expected to ship on Thursday
  • Then push prompted major updates to TB 3.1.2.
    • Initial 3.0.6 -> 3.1.2 push planned for Tuesday, 10th August.
    • Initial -> 3.1.2 push planned for TBD, prob. Tuesday 17th August.

Thunderbird Stability & Security Releases


  • Contacts addon planed for release today or tomorrow
  • In 2 weeks -> Mailing list addons
  • More pormotion for them when pushed out.
  • Trying to get a release rythm.

QA Updates

  • Working on releases
  • usual triage work going on Thanks to Wada, Wayne , Pasquale.

Marketing Updates

IT update



  1. 3.1 Support Issues – nothing really major so far, seems to be better than 3.0.x – please add your support issues to the Discussion page of this wiki page; emailReport.rb is new script for Get Satisfaction daily report
  2. SuMoMo – 2 more German localizers, wilkommen! Working on revamp of front page
  3. Seems to be a firewall/anti-virus (Comodo?)/graphics/sound driver issue with TB 3.1.1, WinXP & NC10 Netbook causing BSOD GS, bug 583294 ; 99% sure this is not a TB issue, Roland to follow up and see if we can get a definitive workaround like we had with NVIDIA back in the TB 2 days
  4. See this week’s Support Appendix for full Get Satisfaction metrics and other support details –

Lightning Updates

We have decided to go the same route that Thunderbird is with our releases.


  • We will release 1.0b3pre from comm-1.9.2/mozilla-1.9.2.
  • Land everything on trunk, backport only a selected set of patches to 1.9.2.
  • This will mostly include caldav fixes and improved error reporting

Discussion here

1.0b4 / 1.1a1pre

Depending on when the mozilla 2.0 release of Thunderbird will happen, we might do another release off of 1.9.2, but its likely that the next release afterwards will be a mozilla 2.0 release.

Other News

  • XPCOM bustage still nagging on us. We’re waiting for calendar reviews on bug 576746 and core bug 579178.

Status updates

See the Mozilla Status Board for status updates specific to developers.

Roundtable Highlights



Mozilla Platform Meeting Minutes: 2010-08-03

Filed under: Posts — Tags: — Jesper Kristensen @ 11:00 pm


From MozillaWiki

« previous week | index | next week »


  • Focus on blockers
  • Do not check in performance regressions

Notices / Schedule

Previous release post-mortems

  • Firefox 3.6.7/8: 2010-08-03 @ 1:00 pm PST, duration 45 mins
  • Firefox 3.6.4/6: 2010-08-10 @ 1:00 pm PST, duration 1 hour
    • The details on how the post-mortem will be run will be sent out today

Firefox (Supported Branches)

  • Schedules for Firefox 3.6.9/3.5.12 are posted
    • Code freeze is currently scheduled for Thursday August 12 @ 11:59 pm PST

Firefox (Beta)

Firefox mobile (alpha)

  • aiming for code freeze on 8/10.
  • Bug list

Blocker Report

Firefox 3.6.9

  • There are 22 open blockers (+0 w/w)
    • Code freeze is currently scheduled for Thursday August 12 @ 11:59 pm PST
    • Let’s try to not get them all in on the last day. I’ll be bugging people furiously this week and the start of next
  • Only approving blockers at this point

Firefox 3.5.12

Firefox 4 Beta

Firefox Development

(from our goals):

  • [NEW] Feature complete Firefox 4
    • [DONE] Switch to Tab
    • [ON TRACK] Extension Manager – Functionality there, lots of bugs to fix.
    • [AT RISK] Account Manager – Partial work, restaffing to get this one done.
    • [ON TRACK] Notification UI – Geo done, WIP patches on others.
    • [AT RISK] TabCandy – Initial reviews. Big patch, might take iteration, but getting traction now
    • [ON TRACK] Integrated Sync – Landed, activation caused leaks, chasing as we speak.
    • [ON TRACK] New Theme – Substantially done on Windows and Mac, Linux lagging.
    • [ON TRACK] App Tabs – Basic UI in place, several functionality follow ups to get to feature complete
    • [AT RISK] Inspector
    • [AT RISK] Web Console
    • [ON TRACK] Silent updates on Windows
  • [NEW] Dirty profile startup within 20% of clean profile startup (modulo extensions, plugins; on windows)



  • Going to make enabling Direct2D a Beta 4 blocker, with the aim of blocking beta 5 on hardware accelerated layers (D3D9/OpenGL).
  • Direct2D gradient issues from last week are resolved.
  • libjpeg-turbo integration shows up to 2.5x (+?) speedups of the JPEG decoding code. bug 573948 (jlebar)



  • Retained layers
    • The most obvious retained-layers regressions fixed for beta3
    • Regression involving invalidation during reflow: may need to implement display-list-based invalidation for reflow to fix cleanly (brings perf wins too)
  • Content/chrome rendering integration
    • Timothy needs help
  • -moz-font-feature-settings has landed (“Land CSS control of lowlevel font features” done)
    • Needs Harfbuzz enabled to work


  • Improved software scaling ready to land
  • Standards compliance fixes
    • ‘autobuffer’ -> ‘preload’
    • New load algorithm

Windows 7 Test Status

  • Same remaining bugs as last week
  • 2 out of 10 test suites with oranges
  • The following bugs had no activity: bug 562955 (jimm) and bug 581734 (no one – smontagu suggested)
  • We also have bug 582315 (felipe)

Tree Management


  • Supported Hardware & OS list for Firefox 4 (beltzner)
    • many questions from OSX, JS and build teams about this
    • beltzner gathering data about usage in bug 582848 as well as from secondary sources
    • current proposals are:
      • drop OSX 10.4 (ease of coding, speedups from using better APIs)
      • drop PPC (no OOPP support planned, no JM support planned)
      • maintain W2K (no impact to coding schedule, not a lot of additional work)
      • add OSX 64-bit (OOPP support planned, major speedup increase)
      • do not add Windows 64-bit (no OOPP support planned)
      • Linux 64?
      • SSE2 is still a question
      • beltzner to make concrete proposals to dev-planning
      • beltzner to gather data on SSE2 usage, report to dev-planning separate from previous
  • Question for Tree Management: (zwol)
    • Try server pushes are consistently taking 13-14 hours from push to last result email. Try server does not *appear* to be under heavier load than m-c (push rate eyeballs about the same); why is there such a huge difference?
      • Try push load for July is ~65% higher than mozilla-central
      • Build or test requests cannot be consolidated together on try, but can be consolidated during peak load on mozilla-central.
      • All builds on TryServer are full-clobber builds, not incremental builds like on mozilla-central
      • No fast build machines for try. Shuffling from mozilla-central and other project branches would slow those down.
      • If we ordered new hardware today, it would be at least 4 weeks to be racked up, installed, etc. No hardware has been ordered as yet.
      • Not all available testing slaves are currently enabled due to snow-ball effect during high jobs load. bug 563458


Mozilla Project Meeting Minutes: 2010-08-02

Filed under: Posts — Tags: — Jesper Kristensen @ 11:00 pm


From MozillaWiki

« previous week | index | next week »

Video for today’s meeting

<video controls=”controls”><source src=”” type=”video/ogg; codecs=”theora, vorbis””/></video>

Friends of the Tree

  • Sheppy and Janet nominate:
    • Igor Kitsa (user01) for reorganizing and updating JavaScript pages on Mozilla Developer Center.
    • Florian Scholz (Elchi3) for his psychic ability to spot and zap spam on MDC before it even shows up in the change-log feed. We are grateful you are using your superpowers for good.

Upcoming Events

This Week

Monday, 2 August

Tuesday, 3 August

Wednesday, 4 August

Thursday, 5 August

Mozilla in the Big Apple Meetup in NYC from 7-9pm at the Hilton New York.  RSVP and learn more here.

Friday, 6 August

BlogHer Conference – Mozilla will be in attendance at the GeekLab and our Hospitality Suite (#4339).  Keep up with us here.

Next Week

Product Status Updates

Firefox 4

Firefox 3.6

Firefox 3.6.9

  • Schedule for Firefox 3.6.9 is now set at Releases/Firefox 3.6.9#Schedule
  • The schedule allows some breathing room between 3.6.9 and the next 4.0 beta
  • Code-freeze is Thursday August 12 @ 11:59 pm PST
    • That’s 10 days from now
    • Let’s make a strong effort to get the 23 open blockers in early rather than submit fixes in the last hour of the last day…

Mobile Firefox


  • Trunk cleanup ongoing
  • 3.1.2 builds happening today
  • Tb 2 advertised updates planned to update to 3.1.2

Older Branch Work

Firefox 3.5.12


The limit is 3 minutes per speaker. It’s like a lightning talk, but don’t feel that you have to have slides in order to make a presentation.





More Details
Your Title Here

Your Name Here

What are you going to talk about?

Links to slides or images you want displayed on screen

Link to where audience can find out more information

Status Updates By Team






Release Engineering


QA Highlights
  • General
    • Planning QA work week Sept 13-16, 2010
  • Desktop Firefox
    • preparing for FF 4, beta 3
  • Browser Technologies
    • Shipped FF Sync 1.4.3
    • FF Home 1.01 approved in app store
  • Web QA
  • QA Services
    • Community
      • Planning community outreach initiatives and better meetup management.

Automation & Tools

  • Shipped Mozmill 1.4.2 b2, now with the new Bespin UI
  • Completed Cross Weave weave testing framework
  • Performance A11y (accessibility) Talos tests landed!
  • Ran burn-in builds over the weekend on Fennec, some issues observed:
    • Need to ensure test harnesses stop remote webserver regardless of how they end (bug to be filed)
    • Fennec sometimes fails to start after running
    • Reftests need to be chunked
    • heartbeat monitors and agents worked well throughout the test
  • More information always available:





  • BlogHer ’10 – August 6-7, 2010 – We will be having a hotel suite and a presence in the GeekLab as well as a meetup on Thursday (open to non BlogHer folk)  – sign up for the meetup here.
  • Open Video Conference 2010 – October 1-2, 2010; New York, NY  – Looking over sponsorship opportunities.
  • Maker Faire Africa – August 27-28, 2010; Nairobi, Kenya – Looking into sponsorship opportunties.
  • Renegade Craft Fair Chicago 2010 – September 11-12, 2010 – We will have a booth and be doing some innovative activities.  Check out the wiki for more details Looking into sponsorship opportunities.






Developer Tools




  • Firefox 4 Beta 3 with l10n merge, number of participating locales will be known after the code freeze
  • Firefox Home l10n outreach is starting, tracking bug for the entire project here
  • Gandalf is launching the server installation that will support the “common pool” idea of the Jetpack l10n API
  • Team travels: Stas back from vacation, Seth will be working with Pascal in Paris office this week, Gandalf heads out for summer vacation at the end of this week.

Introducing New Hires

  • Bill McCloskey – JavaScript

Foundation Updates


« Newer Posts

Powered by WordPress